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RCZ 03-29-2009 07:33 PM

Yes! That sounds great!

I need to get me those HFC's sooner than later!

How does it feel?

wstar 03-29-2009 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 48869)
Yes! That sounds great!

I need to get me those HFC's sooner than later!

How does it feel?

Well it feels great, but the stock car felt great too :p As I said earlier, I can definitely feel a bit more pull in the high rpm ranges. When shifting "manually" with the paddle shifters, I keep hitting the rev limiter accidentally because 7.5k comes around quicker than I was used to from the first month of driving (you can hear me do that a couple of times in the vid I think, where you hear a double-peak in the rpms just before the shift). But butt dynos are butt dynos, so it's not conclusive.

Based on the sound, vibration/rasp issues, and just having a good look at the stock exhaust, I know that stock cat-back is the major holdup right now, probably robbing me of some of the headers'/cats' gains.

RCZ 03-31-2009 07:37 PM

Hehe, I have the stillen catback and headers at home. Missing the HFC's ;) Damnit haha.

wstar 03-31-2009 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 49957)
Hehe, I have the stillen catback and headers at home. Missing the HFC's ;) Damnit haha.

Well, I've got the headers and HFCs on the car, but no catback ;) I just got my shipping/tracking info today though. The Stillen catback (and gen3 intake) will arrive here thursday. I'm hoping to at least get the catback done this weekend, if not both.

BerkTech 04-01-2009 04:20 AM

That was an excellent writeup! We got detailed descriptions, pictures, & videos! What more could you ask for.

BERK is looking to source a 370Z to build a cat back exhaust for the 370Z so you guys can complete your exhaust systems.

Black kNight 04-01-2009 04:35 AM

thanks for the video clip
it sounds like a beast but i think it needs cat-back

LiquidZ 04-01-2009 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BerkTech (Post 50206)
That was an excellent writeup! We got detailed descriptions, pictures, & videos! What more could you ask for.

BERK is looking to source a 370Z to build a cat back exhaust for the 370Z so you guys can complete your exhaust systems.

Just some pointers if BERK is looking to make a catback for these cars:

1. Please make it all T-304 SS
2. X-pipe
3. No single muffler designs. Something similar to the Stillen and GTM units.

BerkTech 04-02-2009 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidZ (Post 50239)
Just some pointers if BERK is looking to make a catback for these cars:

1. Please make it all T-304 SS
2. X-pipe
3. No single muffler designs. Something similar to the Stillen and GTM units.

1. Of course!

2. Debatable. We will build & prototype no less than 3 different configurations (true dual, X pipe, conventional Y-pipe). One of them will have the best overall characteristics of sound and where you are trying to improve that power curve (mid range or top end). The perfect exhaust is one that would vary in length and size dynamically with engine speed & load, but that doesn't exist yet. Maybe in 20 years......

3. Yes, I agree with you here. Single muffler systems tend to act like a giant baffled muffler which hurt performance. If designed properly we will be able to use dual mufflers while still maintaining good exhaust tone.

And sorry about the thread hi-jack! We'll start another one later for the soon to come BERK 370Z exhaust.

wstar 04-02-2009 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BerkTech (Post 50822)
And sorry about the thread hi-jack! We'll start another one later for the soon to come BERK 370Z exhaust.

No worries, this thread has outlived its purpose anyways :)

wstar 04-02-2009 09:18 AM

The delivery guy just showed up with my Cat-back and intakes :woot:. The cat-back is definitely going on ASAP, maybe tonight after I get done working. The intakes maybe this weekend (I may delay on the intake though, there's some other things I might want to do at the same time while all of the intake is out and the bumper is off). New video with a full exhaust setup (from engine block to rear bumper) should be up in a new thread by tomorrow.

semtex 04-02-2009 09:23 AM

Cool. Are you gonna dyno?

wstar 04-02-2009 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 50909)
Cool. Are you gonna dyno?

Yeah once these two parts are on I plan on it.

alan93rsa 04-02-2009 11:17 AM

Quote:

Just some pointers if BERK is looking to make a catback for these cars:

1. Please make it all T-304 SS
There are better 300 series stainless products for an exhaust system. Type 321 is a much better choice. It is titanium stabilized. As such it is much less prone to inter granular corrosion attack, IGA. Cracks form around the welds and everybody thinks the weld failed. The problem is chrome depletion in the grain boundaries in the heat affected zone, HAZ. The lowered levels of chrome allow the exhaust gas condensate to attack the grain boundaries. The problem is at it's worst for low mileage cars driven short distances. If you always get the car and the exhaust system up to operating temperatures then it isn't as bad.

The muffler on my 93 RSA failed around the outlet welds in 2 seasons. I cut out the welds and did the micro analysis in our lab and sent the report to the manufacturer. After initially telling me my muffler failed due to poor mounting, thus voiding their warranty, I got a new system in the mail.

Sorry for being 'really' off topic.

LiquidZ 04-02-2009 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by alan93rsa (Post 50976)
There are better 300 series stainless products for an exhaust system. Type 321 is a much better choice. It is titanium stabilized. As such it is much less prone to inter granular corrosion attack, IGA. Cracks form around the welds and everybody thinks the weld failed. The problem is chrome depletion in the grain boundaries in the heat affected zone, HAZ. The lowered levels of chrome allow the exhaust gas condensate to attack the grain boundaries. The problem is at it's worst for low mileage cars driven short distances. If you always get the car and the exhaust system up to operating temperatures then it isn't as bad.

The muffler on my 93 RSA failed around the outlet welds in 2 seasons. I cut out the welds and did the micro analysis in our lab and sent the report to the manufacturer. After initially telling me my muffler failed due to poor mounting, thus voiding their warranty, I got a new system in the mail.

Sorry for being 'really' off topic.

Thanks for the input.

What does the 321 cost though? I think 304 is a great choice.

LiquidZ 04-02-2009 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BerkTech (Post 50822)
1. Of course!

2. Debatable. We will build & prototype no less than 3 different configurations (true dual, X pipe, conventional Y-pipe). One of them will have the best overall characteristics of sound and where you are trying to improve that power curve (mid range or top end). The perfect exhaust is one that would vary in length and size dynamically with engine speed & load, but that doesn't exist yet. Maybe in 20 years......

3. Yes, I agree with you here. Single muffler systems tend to act like a giant baffled muffler which hurt performance. If designed properly we will be able to use dual mufflers while still maintaining good exhaust tone.

And sorry about the thread hi-jack! We'll start another one later for the soon to come BERK 370Z exhaust.

Definitely keep us posted.

As for point 2... I said that because I'm not a fan of Y-pipes. I am assuming they tend to be the worst in terms of performance.


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