Nismo OEM exhaust compared to aftermarket...

Lenny · 09-01-2010, 08:09 PM

there are two cats; one per header

in most exhaust layouts, the catalic converters are where a lot of back-pressure builds up due to the setup, hfcs free up that pressure and allow for a briskier throttle response, though often at the expense of some high-end power (loss of back-pressure in high rpms tends to lose hp, tho i'm not sure if thats the case with the Z)

370Zsteve · 09-01-2010, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mythic

Lol i had 4.5" tips on my SRT, and 5" tips on my 08 Tundra

but they both sounded amazing

These Berk HFC's (high flow cats?) everyone is talking about, do they give alot better throttle response? What kinda $ are we looking at?

Also (sorry for all the questions) how many cats do these cars come with?

High-flow cats give the most gains of all the bolt-ons.

370Zsteve · 09-01-2010, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny

there are two cats; one per header

in most exhaust layouts, the catalic converters are where a lot of back-pressure builds up due to the setup, hfcs free up that pressure and allow for a briskier throttle response, though often at the expense of some high-end power (loss of back-pressure in high rpms tends to lose hp, tho i'm not sure if thats the case with the Z)

It's not the case:

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Jordo! · 09-01-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny

there are two cats; one per header

in most exhaust layouts, the catalic converters are where a lot of back-pressure builds up due to the setup, hfcs free up that pressure and allow for a briskier throttle response, though often at the expense of some high-end power (loss of back-pressure in high rpms tends to lose hp, tho i'm not sure if thats the case with the Z)

Generally, without raming more air in, a less restrictive exhaust will often lose some low end power while picking up some high end power -- this is because optimal cylinder filling tends to happen higher in the rev range, at which point, smaller diameter piping or cats may be somewhat of a restriction.

However, at low speed, when there is less cylinder filling, those "restrictions" are closer to approximating optimal exhaust flow under those running conditions.

So... in short, extra exhaust flow is only helpful when/if you are sucking in enough air to take advantge of it.

In real life, you end up with some sort of compromise, and then tune around that.

Lenny · 09-02-2010, 10:24 AM

yea sry for not being clear, thats what i was trying to get at.

from my experience on the G, most exhausts actually sacrificed some top end for more mid-range power. After I installed my fujitsubo legalis-r, i noticed there was a 2-3 hp drop at redline, but mid-range power was improved. I only had a z-tube and k&n drop in on that car to help with air intake

F1loco · 09-02-2010, 08:36 PM

TP's, stock resonators, and muffler delete...let you know next week, but stock Nismo is weak...even with TP's...

fuct · 09-20-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny

yea sry for not being clear, thats what i was trying to get at.

from my experience on the G, most exhausts actually sacrificed some top end for more mid-range power. After I installed my fujitsubo legalis-r, i noticed there was a 2-3 hp drop at redline, but mid-range power was improved. I only had a z-tube and k&n drop in on that car to help with air intake

you could notice a 2-3hp drop with your butt dyno? wow! sensitive equipment.

Rooskey · 10-11-2010, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by fuct

you could notice a 2-3hp drop with your butt dyno? wow! sensitive equipment.

I wonder how it got that sensitive?! LOL!!

Been drinking a few cold one's I couldn't resist!

6spd · 10-12-2010, 04:23 PM

I know the nismo isnt much louder than stock, but does the tone of the sound change inside the car? i like the stock sound a lot, but i love the sound of the nismo much more. If i got a nismo exhaust would the tone change be noticeable inside at all?

F1loco · 10-13-2010, 06:41 AM

IMO, no, not really. A tad deeper and volume, but really not noticeable...that's why I took my rear section off...

Mythic · 10-13-2010, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 6spd

I know the nismo isnt much louder than stock, but does the tone of the sound change inside the car? i like the stock sound a lot, but i love the sound of the nismo much more. If i got a nismo exhaust would the tone change be noticeable inside at all?

I dunno mine is sounding pretty beast inside right now, very deep tone at mid to low rpms...im kinda liking it, just with it were a bit louder and more responsive. So so HFC's with my stock setup wont be too loud, and wont throw any codes? Thats my main concern holding me back...

Rooskey · 10-13-2010, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mythic

I dunno mine is sounding pretty beast inside right now, very deep tone at mid to low rpms...im kinda liking it, just with it were a bit louder and more responsive. So so HFC's with my stock setup wont be too loud, and wont throw any codes? Thats my main concern holding me back...

I have the nismo exhuast with Berks HFC's now. It did not change the sound that much. It is just a little louder, but not a night and day difference by any means. I have never had any codes (CEL) or any problems. I highly recommend the hfc's. I just ordered longtube headers so my cats will be for sale as soon as they come in. $300.00 and they have less than 1,000 miles on them.

Mythic · 10-13-2010, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooskey

I have the nismo exhuast with Berks HFC's now. It did not change the sound that much. It is just a little louder, but not a night and day difference by any means. I have never had any codes (CEL) or any problems. I highly recommend the hfc's. I just ordered longtube headers so my cats will be for sale as soon as they come in. $300.00 and they have less than 1,000 miles on them.

Hold them for me, I'll buy them when you get your headers on! Also, how much of a power difference did you feel with the HFC's?

F1loco · 10-14-2010, 06:39 AM

With TP's at least, you will feel more of high mid to high range pull...

Mythic · 10-14-2010, 07:45 AM

Thats cool, long as i can get a lil more deep throaty sound and enough power to feel a slight difference ill be happy. Im sure HFC's will provide slightly noticable increase throttle response as well. So the Berks HFC's are direct bolt on replacement?

09-01-2010, 08:09 PM	#16 (permalink)
Lenny Base Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 9 Drives: 05 G35 6MT Rep Power: 15	there are two cats; one per header in most exhaust layouts, the catalic converters are where a lot of back-pressure builds up due to the setup, hfcs free up that pressure and allow for a briskier throttle response, though often at the expense of some high-end power (loss of back-pressure in high rpms tends to lose hp, tho i'm not sure if thats the case with the Z) Last edited by Lenny; 09-01-2010 at 08:11 PM.

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6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,001 Drives: Q50RS Rep Power: 25	I know the nismo isnt much louder than stock, but does the tone of the sound change inside the car? i like the stock sound a lot, but i love the sound of the nismo much more. If i got a nismo exhaust would the tone change be noticeable inside at all? __________________ -Jay- jonathanjamesphotographer.com

10-14-2010, 07:45 AM	#30 (permalink)
Mythic Base Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Live Oak Fl Posts: 223 Drives: 2010 Nismo 370Z Rep Power: 15	Thats cool, long as i can get a lil more deep throaty sound and enough power to feel a slight difference ill be happy. Im sure HFC's will provide slightly noticable increase throttle response as well. So the Berks HFC's are direct bolt on replacement? __________________ *2010 Nismo 370z* - Magnetic Black, again *2009 Nismo* 370Z** SOLD

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09-02-2010, 10:24 AM	#20 (permalink)
Lenny Base Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 9 Drives: 05 G35 6MT Rep Power: 15	yea sry for not being clear, thats what i was trying to get at. from my experience on the G, most exhausts actually sacrificed some top end for more mid-range power. After I installed my fujitsubo legalis-r, i noticed there was a 2-3 hp drop at redline, but mid-range power was improved. I only had a z-tube and k&n drop in on that car to help with air intake

09-02-2010, 08:36 PM	#21 (permalink)
F1loco Base Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Sunshine Posts: 203 Drives: 09 Nismo Rep Power: 15	TP's, stock resonators, and muffler delete...let you know next week, but stock Nismo is weak...even with TP's...

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F1loco Base Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Sunshine Posts: 203 Drives: 09 Nismo Rep Power: 15	IMO, no, not really. A tad deeper and volume, but really not noticeable...that's why I took my rear section off...

10-14-2010, 06:39 AM	#29 (permalink)
F1loco Base Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Sunshine Posts: 203 Drives: 09 Nismo Rep Power: 15	With TP's at least, you will feel more of high mid to high range pull...