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GZ3 07-13-2010 01:51 PM

Motordyne Intake Manifold on the way!!
 
I'm a HUUGE motordyne fan, IMHO best parts to ever grace the 350 and now they are working on the 370. I inquired with hydra/motordyne on any developments for the 370 over in the 350z boards, and he stated that an intake manifold is on the way with dyno proven great results. They are working on getting production set up!! If you know anything about motordyne engineering, you know they only release quality products with dyno proven results. They beg for a 3rd party dyno challenge. MOTORDYNE FTMFW!! Looking forward to ART pipes for ther 370!

nogoodname 07-13-2010 02:21 PM

Cool!!! Motordyne has some good stuff!

red6spd 07-13-2010 07:33 PM

If the gains are there they got my $$$$$$$$$$$$ but I think that might be a big "IF"

theDreamer 07-13-2010 07:38 PM

In for results.

Chris@FsP 07-13-2010 07:51 PM

That's great news. Motordyne seriously has some of the nicest sounding, best quality exhausts I've ever seen. I've been telling him for months that he needs to move on to the 370!

Red370 07-13-2010 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@FsP (Post 622385)
That's great news. Motordyne seriously has some of the nicest sounding, best quality exhausts I've ever seen. I've been telling him for months that he needs to move on to the 370!

I'm shocked they havent, the aftermarket for this thing is f'in BOOMING.

fairladyZ34 07-13-2010 08:06 PM

:)

Jamaica 07-13-2010 08:27 PM

dont worry they are. They are having high flow cats and cbe in the process.

m4a1mustang 07-13-2010 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 622438)
I'm shocked they havent, the aftermarket for this thing is f'in BOOMING.

Yup... the motordyne CBE on the 350s sounds ridiculous!

GZ3 07-14-2010 08:54 AM

I cant wait to see A.R.T pipes for the 370Z!

gnarf 07-14-2010 08:59 AM

finally!! motordyne has the sexiest exhausts..

Chris@FsP 07-14-2010 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 623273)
I cant wait to see A.R.T pipes for the 370Z!

The HR ART pipes that are out now should fit the 370Z.

TBSS2008 07-14-2010 10:14 AM

This sounds promising!

ScGRaceR 07-14-2010 06:02 PM

im pumped

Jordo! 07-14-2010 06:20 PM

First question: Will this be designed with a flowbench or will they be using the wing-and-a-prayer method?

GZ3 07-15-2010 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 624253)
First question: Will this be designed with a flowbench or will they be using the wing-and-a-prayer method?

Hmmm sounds like you have not heard of motordyne. They are kings of Proper r&d

LuSt4Boost 07-16-2010 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 626094)
Hmmm sounds like you have not heard of motordyne. They are kings of Proper r&d

+1

GZ3 07-19-2010 11:31 AM

**update** The M370(I'm guessing this might be the intake manifold), ART pipes, full exhaust, intake, sway bars and more. This is verbatim from Hydrra/motordyne!!

NYBladeZ 07-19-2010 02:43 PM

any idea on a time table??

XwChriswX 07-19-2010 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 632865)
**update** The M370(I'm guessing this might be the intake manifold), ART pipes, full exhaust, intake, sway bars and more. This is verbatim from Hydrra/motordyne!!

What does this mean... its an incomplete thought? lol

Is there supposed to be more to this that didn't get C/P-ed?

Looking forward to info though!

NYBladeZ 07-19-2010 02:52 PM

I got an email from Tony at Motordyne as well confirming all the OP has stated, looking like they will make a full line. However it is probably going to take some time which is the price to quality R&D.

Jordo! 07-19-2010 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 626094)
Hmmm sounds like you have not heard of motordyne. They are kings of Proper r&d

:tup:

Sounds good -- I thought they did VW stuff, but no I really don't know anything about their work.

XwChriswX 07-19-2010 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 633379)
I got an email from Tony at Motordyne as well confirming all the OP has stated, looking like they will make a full line. However it is probably going to take some time which is the price to quality R&D.

The wait is worth it as long as the product performs. :tup:

Chris@FsP 07-19-2010 03:01 PM

We are a Motordyne dealer, and will be carrying the full line of MD products for the 370Z :)

We have installed many of their exhausts and ART pipes on 350Z's, and have been thoroughly impressed with the quality and fitment.

XwChriswX 07-19-2010 03:05 PM

Is ART pipe something special? Or like a TP or something?

Chris@FsP 07-19-2010 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 633424)
Is ART pipe something special? Or like a TP or something?

It is basically a test pipe with a hemholz resonator that branches off. It's tuned to help exhaust scavenging as well as smoothing out the exhaust note. With the TDX exhaust, there is zero rasp.

Here is a video of the TDX V2 with the ART pipes on a 350Z-
YouTube - 350z - Motordyne Shockwave TDX Exhaust

XwChriswX 07-19-2010 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@FsP (Post 633480)
It is basically a test pipe with a hemholz resonator that branches off. It's tuned to help exhaust scavenging as well as smoothing out the exhaust note. With the TDX exhaust, there is zero rasp.

Here is a video of the TDX V2 with the ART pipes on a 350Z-
YouTube - 350z - Motordyne Shockwave TDX Exhaust

I'm guessing thats similar to what the HKS exhaust does, but at the pipes, not the mufflers... any bonus to the location itself?

GZ3 07-19-2010 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 633368)
What does this mean... its an incomplete thought? lol

Is there supposed to be more to this that didn't get C/P-ed?

Looking forward to info though!

Sorry man, M370 is what I **guesss** they are calling the intake manifold. As far as your question about ART which stand for Advanced Resonance tunning pipes...well they are like test pipes with an extra chamber. They make more power than HFC's and Straight pipes!! Here is the description from Hydrazaine as posted on another website when the ART pipes first came out:
In my early days as a rocket scientist designing the R-4D-16 dual mode rocket engine for JPL there were all kinds of challenges in ensuring the performance and reliability of our rocket engines.

One of the greatest challenges was designing an injector to produce smooth and stable combustion of the fuel and oxidizer in the combustion chamber. There were occasionally these acoustic instabilities (tangential modes) in the combustion chamber that could be excited and start a run away condition that could quickly destroy the engine. To address this problem I used Helmholtz resonators inside the rocket engine to damp out the acoustic tangential modes. A tangential mode is basically a shockwave that would spin around the inner circumference of the combustion chamber analogous to a supersonic tornado at 20K Hz. Not unlike detonation, this tangential mode would scrub off the boundary layer, radically increase the heat transfer into the chamber walls and result in a catastrophic failure.

Helmholtz resonators were the solution to these tangential waves. By properly tuning the Helmholtz resonator to the frequency of the tangential mode you could either magnify or eliminate the shockwave.

The R-4D-16 rocket engine design was (is) very successful and is being used by nearly every branch of the US military for Hydrazine / Nitrogen tetroxide liquid bi-propellant propellant systems. Many are in space flight now.

I co-authored a paper on the rocket engine and submitted it to the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA). The paper was published and ended up winning "Best Propulsion Paper of the Year" at the 2001 AIAA Joint Propulsion Conference. After studying the application of Helmholtz resonators in depth I began to see how they could be used in a range of different applications. Particularly in automotive. If you have ever studied the science/art of header design it becomes clear that it is all about the interaction of acoustics and engine dynamics. Headers are a way of resonance tuning acoustics to the engine.

By this same reasoning, a Helmholtz resonator could be designed to operate in phase or out of phase with the engine at any given RPM. By transferring the science of rocket propulsion based Helmholtz resonators to the automotive sciences, Advanced Resonance Tuning can be made to enhance performance on essentially any kind of reciprocating engine.

These can be used on a fully modified exhaust system to make additional power. Traditionally, if you already have an intake mod, headers, test pipes with a full catback exhaust and tune, that was the end of the line. There was no more left to gain. ...But not any more.


This is Motordyne's debut of the patent pending Advanced Resonance Tuning (TM). ART is a new way of enhancing the power curve on any engine.

They're not headers. They're not test pipes. They're ART pipes!

W.O.W. 370Z 07-19-2010 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@FsP (Post 623287)
The HR ART pipes that are out now should fit the 370Z.

Can anyone else confirm?

XwChriswX 07-19-2010 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 633489)
Sorry man, M370 is what I **guesss** they are calling the intake manifold. As far as your question about ART which stand for Advanced Resonance tunning pipes...well they are like test pipes with an extra chamber. They make more power than HFC's and Straight pipes!! Here is the description from Hydrazaine as posted on another website when the ART pipes first came out:
In my early days as a rocket scientist designing the R-4D-16 dual mode rocket engine for JPL there were all kinds of challenges in ensuring the performance and reliability of our rocket engines.

One of the greatest challenges was designing an injector to produce smooth and stable combustion of the fuel and oxidizer in the combustion chamber. There were occasionally these acoustic instabilities (tangential modes) in the combustion chamber that could be excited and start a run away condition that could quickly destroy the engine. To address this problem I used Helmholtz resonators inside the rocket engine to damp out the acoustic tangential modes. A tangential mode is basically a shockwave that would spin around the inner circumference of the combustion chamber analogous to a supersonic tornado at 20K Hz. Not unlike detonation, this tangential mode would scrub off the boundary layer, radically increase the heat transfer into the chamber walls and result in a catastrophic failure.

Helmholtz resonators were the solution to these tangential waves. By properly tuning the Helmholtz resonator to the frequency of the tangential mode you could either magnify or eliminate the shockwave.

The R-4D-16 rocket engine design was (is) very successful and is being used by nearly every branch of the US military for Hydrazine / Nitrogen tetroxide liquid bi-propellant propellant systems. Many are in space flight now.

I co-authored a paper on the rocket engine and submitted it to the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA). The paper was published and ended up winning "Best Propulsion Paper of the Year" at the 2001 AIAA Joint Propulsion Conference. After studying the application of Helmholtz resonators in depth I began to see how they could be used in a range of different applications. Particularly in automotive. If you have ever studied the science/art of header design it becomes clear that it is all about the interaction of acoustics and engine dynamics. Headers are a way of resonance tuning acoustics to the engine.

By this same reasoning, a Helmholtz resonator could be designed to operate in phase or out of phase with the engine at any given RPM. By transferring the science of rocket propulsion based Helmholtz resonators to the automotive sciences, Advanced Resonance Tuning can be made to enhance performance on essentially any kind of reciprocating engine.

These can be used on a fully modified exhaust system to make additional power. Traditionally, if you already have an intake mod, headers, test pipes with a full catback exhaust and tune, that was the end of the line. There was no more left to gain. ...But not any more.


This is Motordyne's debut of the patent pending Advanced Resonance Tuning (TM). ART is a new way of enhancing the power curve on any engine.

They're not headers. They're not test pipes. They're ART pipes!

Wow, thats one hell of an in depth response, wasn't expecting that. But damn, thats some hardcore testing. Looking forward to seeing what they come out with. :tup:

Zsteve 07-19-2010 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 633489)
Sorry man, M370 is what I **guesss** they are calling the intake manifold. As far as your question about ART which stand for Advanced Resonance tunning pipes...well they are like test pipes with an extra chamber. They make more power than HFC's and Straight pipes!! Here is the description from Hydrazaine as posted on another website when the ART pipes first came out:
In my early days as a rocket scientist designing the R-4D-16 dual mode rocket engine for JPL there were all kinds of challenges in ensuring the performance and reliability of our rocket engines.

One of the greatest challenges was designing an injector to produce smooth and stable combustion of the fuel and oxidizer in the combustion chamber. There were occasionally these acoustic instabilities (tangential modes) in the combustion chamber that could be excited and start a run away condition that could quickly destroy the engine. To address this problem I used Helmholtz resonators inside the rocket engine to damp out the acoustic tangential modes. A tangential mode is basically a shockwave that would spin around the inner circumference of the combustion chamber analogous to a supersonic tornado at 20K Hz. Not unlike detonation, this tangential mode would scrub off the boundary layer, radically increase the heat transfer into the chamber walls and result in a catastrophic failure.

Helmholtz resonators were the solution to these tangential waves. By properly tuning the Helmholtz resonator to the frequency of the tangential mode you could either magnify or eliminate the shockwave.

The R-4D-16 rocket engine design was (is) very successful and is being used by nearly every branch of the US military for Hydrazine / Nitrogen tetroxide liquid bi-propellant propellant systems. Many are in space flight now.

I co-authored a paper on the rocket engine and submitted it to the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA). The paper was published and ended up winning "Best Propulsion Paper of the Year" at the 2001 AIAA Joint Propulsion Conference. After studying the application of Helmholtz resonators in depth I began to see how they could be used in a range of different applications. Particularly in automotive. If you have ever studied the science/art of header design it becomes clear that it is all about the interaction of acoustics and engine dynamics. Headers are a way of resonance tuning acoustics to the engine.

By this same reasoning, a Helmholtz resonator could be designed to operate in phase or out of phase with the engine at any given RPM. By transferring the science of rocket propulsion based Helmholtz resonators to the automotive sciences, Advanced Resonance Tuning can be made to enhance performance on essentially any kind of reciprocating engine.

These can be used on a fully modified exhaust system to make additional power. Traditionally, if you already have an intake mod, headers, test pipes with a full catback exhaust and tune, that was the end of the line. There was no more left to gain. ...But not any more.


This is Motordyne's debut of the patent pending Advanced Resonance Tuning (TM). ART is a new way of enhancing the power curve on any engine.

They're not headers. They're not test pipes. They're ART pipes!


F ART pipes, we want performance pipes.

GZ3 07-19-2010 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 633595)
F ART pipes, we want performance pipes.

?

Zsteve 07-19-2010 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 633601)
?

joke about them being ARTsy pipes. Hope the ARTs pipes make good gains cuz it will be expensive.

GZ3 07-19-2010 05:05 PM

Oh, haha! Yes on 350z they made really good gains OVER test pipes. So for someone coming from stock cats, the Diff was Huuge. Mod for mod no other company on the 350z made more gains than motordyne. IIRC...so I can only imagine what they will do with the already very mod friendly 370Z!

Zsteve 07-19-2010 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 633646)
Oh, haha! Yes on 350z they made really good gains OVER test pipes. So for someone coming from stock cats, the Diff was Huuge. Mod for mod no other company on the 350z made more gains than motordyne. IIRC...so I can only imagine what they will do with the already very mod friendly 370Z!

Thats cool I will have to keep an eye on this one.

nixxer 07-19-2010 05:30 PM

I will be paying very close attention to this thread and all items Motordyne produces. A friend of mine was a guinea pig for the ART pipes and Shockwave V1 exhaust. His car sounds phenomenal and made very good usable power throughout his power band.

LiquidZ 07-19-2010 08:09 PM

I'm pretty interested in what they have to offer.

Jamaica 07-19-2010 08:11 PM

the exhaust for the 350z sounds great. Kinda curious to what they have to offer.

LateralG'z 07-19-2010 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 633489)
Sorry man, M370 is what I **guesss** they are calling the intake manifold. As far as your question about ART which stand for Advanced Resonance tunning pipes...well they are like test pipes with an extra chamber. They make more power than HFC's and Straight pipes!! Here is the description from Hydrazaine as posted on another website when the ART pipes first came out:
In my early days as a rocket scientist designing the R-4D-16 dual mode rocket engine for JPL there were all kinds of challenges in ensuring the performance and reliability of our rocket engines.

One of the greatest challenges was designing an injector to produce smooth and stable combustion of the fuel and oxidizer in the combustion chamber. There were occasionally these acoustic instabilities (tangential modes) in the combustion chamber that could be excited and start a run away condition that could quickly destroy the engine. To address this problem I used Helmholtz resonators inside the rocket engine to damp out the acoustic tangential modes. A tangential mode is basically a shockwave that would spin around the inner circumference of the combustion chamber analogous to a supersonic tornado at 20K Hz. Not unlike detonation, this tangential mode would scrub off the boundary layer, radically increase the heat transfer into the chamber walls and result in a catastrophic failure.

Helmholtz resonators were the solution to these tangential waves. By properly tuning the Helmholtz resonator to the frequency of the tangential mode you could either magnify or eliminate the shockwave.

The R-4D-16 rocket engine design was (is) very successful and is being used by nearly every branch of the US military for Hydrazine / Nitrogen tetroxide liquid bi-propellant propellant systems. Many are in space flight now.

I co-authored a paper on the rocket engine and submitted it to the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA). The paper was published and ended up winning "Best Propulsion Paper of the Year" at the 2001 AIAA Joint Propulsion Conference. After studying the application of Helmholtz resonators in depth I began to see how they could be used in a range of different applications. Particularly in automotive. If you have ever studied the science/art of header design it becomes clear that it is all about the interaction of acoustics and engine dynamics. Headers are a way of resonance tuning acoustics to the engine.

By this same reasoning, a Helmholtz resonator could be designed to operate in phase or out of phase with the engine at any given RPM. By transferring the science of rocket propulsion based Helmholtz resonators to the automotive sciences, Advanced Resonance Tuning can be made to enhance performance on essentially any kind of reciprocating engine.

These can be used on a fully modified exhaust system to make additional power. Traditionally, if you already have an intake mod, headers, test pipes with a full catback exhaust and tune, that was the end of the line. There was no more left to gain. ...But not any more.


This is Motordyne's debut of the patent pending Advanced Resonance Tuning (TM). ART is a new way of enhancing the power curve on any engine.

They're not headers. They're not test pipes. They're ART pipes!

I did these calcs in fluids and thermo dynamics for a final. It is great to see real engineer being done! A lot more than I can say for most of these companies.

NYBladeZ 07-20-2010 10:03 AM

To be honest I definitely think the ART's will be superior over stock cats (isn't everything) and many test pipes out there but I've already bought proven long tube headers and I don't see any potential for huge differences. However I still need a catback and I'm going to wait on motordynes offering.


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