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GZ3 07-15-2010 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 624253)
First question: Will this be designed with a flowbench or will they be using the wing-and-a-prayer method?

Hmmm sounds like you have not heard of motordyne. They are kings of Proper r&d

LuSt4Boost 07-16-2010 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 626094)
Hmmm sounds like you have not heard of motordyne. They are kings of Proper r&d

+1

GZ3 07-19-2010 11:31 AM

**update** The M370(I'm guessing this might be the intake manifold), ART pipes, full exhaust, intake, sway bars and more. This is verbatim from Hydrra/motordyne!!

NYBladeZ 07-19-2010 02:43 PM

any idea on a time table??

XwChriswX 07-19-2010 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 632865)
**update** The M370(I'm guessing this might be the intake manifold), ART pipes, full exhaust, intake, sway bars and more. This is verbatim from Hydrra/motordyne!!

What does this mean... its an incomplete thought? lol

Is there supposed to be more to this that didn't get C/P-ed?

Looking forward to info though!

NYBladeZ 07-19-2010 02:52 PM

I got an email from Tony at Motordyne as well confirming all the OP has stated, looking like they will make a full line. However it is probably going to take some time which is the price to quality R&D.

Jordo! 07-19-2010 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 626094)
Hmmm sounds like you have not heard of motordyne. They are kings of Proper r&d

:tup:

Sounds good -- I thought they did VW stuff, but no I really don't know anything about their work.

XwChriswX 07-19-2010 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 633379)
I got an email from Tony at Motordyne as well confirming all the OP has stated, looking like they will make a full line. However it is probably going to take some time which is the price to quality R&D.

The wait is worth it as long as the product performs. :tup:

Chris@FsP 07-19-2010 03:01 PM

We are a Motordyne dealer, and will be carrying the full line of MD products for the 370Z :)

We have installed many of their exhausts and ART pipes on 350Z's, and have been thoroughly impressed with the quality and fitment.

XwChriswX 07-19-2010 03:05 PM

Is ART pipe something special? Or like a TP or something?

Chris@FsP 07-19-2010 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 633424)
Is ART pipe something special? Or like a TP or something?

It is basically a test pipe with a hemholz resonator that branches off. It's tuned to help exhaust scavenging as well as smoothing out the exhaust note. With the TDX exhaust, there is zero rasp.

Here is a video of the TDX V2 with the ART pipes on a 350Z-
YouTube - 350z - Motordyne Shockwave TDX Exhaust

XwChriswX 07-19-2010 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@FsP (Post 633480)
It is basically a test pipe with a hemholz resonator that branches off. It's tuned to help exhaust scavenging as well as smoothing out the exhaust note. With the TDX exhaust, there is zero rasp.

Here is a video of the TDX V2 with the ART pipes on a 350Z-
YouTube - 350z - Motordyne Shockwave TDX Exhaust

I'm guessing thats similar to what the HKS exhaust does, but at the pipes, not the mufflers... any bonus to the location itself?

GZ3 07-19-2010 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 633368)
What does this mean... its an incomplete thought? lol

Is there supposed to be more to this that didn't get C/P-ed?

Looking forward to info though!

Sorry man, M370 is what I **guesss** they are calling the intake manifold. As far as your question about ART which stand for Advanced Resonance tunning pipes...well they are like test pipes with an extra chamber. They make more power than HFC's and Straight pipes!! Here is the description from Hydrazaine as posted on another website when the ART pipes first came out:
In my early days as a rocket scientist designing the R-4D-16 dual mode rocket engine for JPL there were all kinds of challenges in ensuring the performance and reliability of our rocket engines.

One of the greatest challenges was designing an injector to produce smooth and stable combustion of the fuel and oxidizer in the combustion chamber. There were occasionally these acoustic instabilities (tangential modes) in the combustion chamber that could be excited and start a run away condition that could quickly destroy the engine. To address this problem I used Helmholtz resonators inside the rocket engine to damp out the acoustic tangential modes. A tangential mode is basically a shockwave that would spin around the inner circumference of the combustion chamber analogous to a supersonic tornado at 20K Hz. Not unlike detonation, this tangential mode would scrub off the boundary layer, radically increase the heat transfer into the chamber walls and result in a catastrophic failure.

Helmholtz resonators were the solution to these tangential waves. By properly tuning the Helmholtz resonator to the frequency of the tangential mode you could either magnify or eliminate the shockwave.

The R-4D-16 rocket engine design was (is) very successful and is being used by nearly every branch of the US military for Hydrazine / Nitrogen tetroxide liquid bi-propellant propellant systems. Many are in space flight now.

I co-authored a paper on the rocket engine and submitted it to the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA). The paper was published and ended up winning "Best Propulsion Paper of the Year" at the 2001 AIAA Joint Propulsion Conference. After studying the application of Helmholtz resonators in depth I began to see how they could be used in a range of different applications. Particularly in automotive. If you have ever studied the science/art of header design it becomes clear that it is all about the interaction of acoustics and engine dynamics. Headers are a way of resonance tuning acoustics to the engine.

By this same reasoning, a Helmholtz resonator could be designed to operate in phase or out of phase with the engine at any given RPM. By transferring the science of rocket propulsion based Helmholtz resonators to the automotive sciences, Advanced Resonance Tuning can be made to enhance performance on essentially any kind of reciprocating engine.

These can be used on a fully modified exhaust system to make additional power. Traditionally, if you already have an intake mod, headers, test pipes with a full catback exhaust and tune, that was the end of the line. There was no more left to gain. ...But not any more.


This is Motordyne's debut of the patent pending Advanced Resonance Tuning (TM). ART is a new way of enhancing the power curve on any engine.

They're not headers. They're not test pipes. They're ART pipes!

W.O.W. 370Z 07-19-2010 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris@FsP (Post 623287)
The HR ART pipes that are out now should fit the 370Z.

Can anyone else confirm?

XwChriswX 07-19-2010 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 633489)
Sorry man, M370 is what I **guesss** they are calling the intake manifold. As far as your question about ART which stand for Advanced Resonance tunning pipes...well they are like test pipes with an extra chamber. They make more power than HFC's and Straight pipes!! Here is the description from Hydrazaine as posted on another website when the ART pipes first came out:
In my early days as a rocket scientist designing the R-4D-16 dual mode rocket engine for JPL there were all kinds of challenges in ensuring the performance and reliability of our rocket engines.

One of the greatest challenges was designing an injector to produce smooth and stable combustion of the fuel and oxidizer in the combustion chamber. There were occasionally these acoustic instabilities (tangential modes) in the combustion chamber that could be excited and start a run away condition that could quickly destroy the engine. To address this problem I used Helmholtz resonators inside the rocket engine to damp out the acoustic tangential modes. A tangential mode is basically a shockwave that would spin around the inner circumference of the combustion chamber analogous to a supersonic tornado at 20K Hz. Not unlike detonation, this tangential mode would scrub off the boundary layer, radically increase the heat transfer into the chamber walls and result in a catastrophic failure.

Helmholtz resonators were the solution to these tangential waves. By properly tuning the Helmholtz resonator to the frequency of the tangential mode you could either magnify or eliminate the shockwave.

The R-4D-16 rocket engine design was (is) very successful and is being used by nearly every branch of the US military for Hydrazine / Nitrogen tetroxide liquid bi-propellant propellant systems. Many are in space flight now.

I co-authored a paper on the rocket engine and submitted it to the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA). The paper was published and ended up winning "Best Propulsion Paper of the Year" at the 2001 AIAA Joint Propulsion Conference. After studying the application of Helmholtz resonators in depth I began to see how they could be used in a range of different applications. Particularly in automotive. If you have ever studied the science/art of header design it becomes clear that it is all about the interaction of acoustics and engine dynamics. Headers are a way of resonance tuning acoustics to the engine.

By this same reasoning, a Helmholtz resonator could be designed to operate in phase or out of phase with the engine at any given RPM. By transferring the science of rocket propulsion based Helmholtz resonators to the automotive sciences, Advanced Resonance Tuning can be made to enhance performance on essentially any kind of reciprocating engine.

These can be used on a fully modified exhaust system to make additional power. Traditionally, if you already have an intake mod, headers, test pipes with a full catback exhaust and tune, that was the end of the line. There was no more left to gain. ...But not any more.


This is Motordyne's debut of the patent pending Advanced Resonance Tuning (TM). ART is a new way of enhancing the power curve on any engine.

They're not headers. They're not test pipes. They're ART pipes!

Wow, thats one hell of an in depth response, wasn't expecting that. But damn, thats some hardcore testing. Looking forward to seeing what they come out with. :tup:


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