What is the difference between HFC and test pipe?

OhYeah · 07-04-2010, 12:17 PM

why, muffler is not at the center of the car?? Is it Error during installation or production??
YouTube - Fast Intentions Exhaust w/ 12" Resonators - 370Z

m4a1mustang · 07-04-2010, 12:25 PM

That's just the angle of that video. FI uses two angled cannisters, not one single center mounted muffler.

Rhett · 07-04-2010, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

Hey Rhett,

HFC or (High Flowing Catalytic-Converter) is basically the same device that's already built into your cars exhaust system that converts the exhaust gasses.

An HFC is just a smaller cell of them that flows free-er letting you regain some performance lost. It still suffices as a cat for those states that require them and do emissions testing...

A Test Pipe or Resonated Test Pipe has NO cat of any sort in it. Resonated ones carry a resonator, but just to drown sound and rasp, not any sort of chemical conversion. So what comes out of your engine, comes out of your exhaust. (Gas wise)

HFC's will give you better numbers than Stock cats, and (Resonated) Test Pipes will give you better numbers than HFC's due to the freedom of gasses to flow.

Hopefully this broke it down for you enough to make a decision based on your particular situation. If you already knew most of that, I was not trying to make it sound as if you were not knowledgeable, just pointing out all the details.

Chris in Avondale

BTW, I was more interested in the HFCs than test pipes, 'cause the more expensive, the better in view of performance. But, from what you said, I changed my mind. ^^ My only interest is a little bit higher performance by spending a little money. ^^

Before I order the test pipe, I want to ask you something. I am thinking the ERZ test pipe. How about this one? I just know from this forum that the ERZ stuffs(including the HFC and the test pipe) are mhch cheaper than Stillens, Berkes and so on.

Do you think what test pipe is the best? I think that this is also a silly question. ^^

Please, give me your professional opinion!

Thanks,

Rhett in Seattle

efuseakay · 07-04-2010, 10:18 PM

I have ERZ HFCs on my G37 sedan. Love them. They were raspy with the stock exhaust, but once I installed my Fast Intentions system, the rasp totally disappeared.

There really isn't much difference between test pipes. They really are just straight pipes. Compare the materials used though. Some use better stainless steel.

As far as performance, there won't be any difference regardless of brands. I would consider resonated test pipes, to cut down on the rasp. Adding a resonator in no way effects performance, other than sound.

Rhett · 07-05-2010, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by efuseakay

I have ERZ HFCs on my G37 sedan. Love them. They were raspy with the stock exhaust, but once I installed my Fast Intentions system, the rasp totally disappeared.

There really isn't much difference between test pipes. They really are just straight pipes. Compare the materials used though. Some use better stainless steel.

As far as performance, there won't be any difference regardless of brands. I would consider resonated test pipes, to cut down on the rasp. Adding a resonator in no way effects performance, other than sound.

Thanks! But, some people inclduing Chris says that resonated test pipes give better numbers in performance than the HFCs. Now, I am a little confusing.

XwChriswX · 07-05-2010, 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhett

Thanks! But, some people inclduing Chris says that resonated test pipes give better numbers in performance than the HFCs. Now, I am a little confusing.

What he means by it not affecting performance is that adding a resonator won't Detract from your performance. Even though an HFC doesn't have as big a Cat Cell as a stock cat, it still does have something the gasses have to pass through. So some performance will be lost. Resonated or non-resonated test pipes have Nothing in the way to block the gasses. Free-er flow = more performance.

efuseakay · 07-05-2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Rhett

Thanks! But, some people inclduing Chris says that resonated test pipes give better numbers in performance than the HFCs. Now, I am a little confusing.

Ah... yeah between HFC and test pipes, you will get a few more HP out of test pipes. Nothing you'd really notice though.

Rhett · 07-05-2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

What he means by it not affecting performance is that adding a resonator won't Detract from your performance. Even though an HFC doesn't have as big a Cat Cell as a stock cat, it still does have something the gasses have to pass through. So some performance will be lost. Resonated or non-resonated test pipes have Nothing in the way to block the gasses. Free-er flow = more performance.

Thanks a lot, Chris!

BTW why are some people excited by the HFCs even though some performance may be lost? Only reason is to get rasp sound from the HFCs with lower cost?

Rhett · 07-05-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by efuseakay

Ah... yeah between HFC and test pipes, you will get a few more HP out of test pipes. Nothing you'd really notice though.

Thanks for a note! ^^

Westwood · 07-05-2010, 04:26 PM

edit: sorry wrong thread

OhYeah · 07-06-2010, 01:05 AM

what is the different between w/ 12" Resonators w/ 18" Resonators
just a sound? which one is louder? What about the performance? any power gain or loss?

and what is O2bung, what is it use for? and what does it mean polished by stainless?
Any different from the normal one?? Does the carbon fiber give different sound from the normal one or just the look??

Westwood · 07-06-2010, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by OhYeah

what is the different between w/ 12" Resonators w/ 18" Resonators
just a sound? which one is louder? What about the performance? any power gain or loss?

and what is O2bung, what is it use for? and what does it mean polished by stainless?
Any different from the normal one?? Does the carbon fiber give different sound from the normal one or just the look??

FI 12" with test pipes will be the loudest + more gains. thats the combo im getting

and the Carbon finish is for esthetic's only.

m4a1mustang · 07-06-2010, 09:34 AM

There is NO performance difference between 12" or 18" resonators. The resonators only affect sound volume.

OhYeah · 07-06-2010, 11:17 AM

Thx you all for good informations

12" or 18" resonators is it a lot different in sound volume?
I like the one that show on the clip very much. Which one that he use?

m4a1mustang · 07-06-2010, 11:19 AM

12" is a good bit louder than the 18". 18" has a deeper tone, though.

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OhYeah Base Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Thailand Posts: 79 Drives: 370z 40th Rep Power: 15	what is the different between w/ 12" Resonators w/ 18" Resonators just a sound? which one is louder? What about the performance? any power gain or loss? and what is O2bung, what is it use for? and what does it mean polished by stainless? Any different from the normal one?? Does the carbon fiber give different sound from the normal one or just the look?? Last edited by OhYeah; 07-06-2010 at 01:13 AM.

07-06-2010, 09:34 AM	#28 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	There is NO performance difference between 12" or 18" resonators. The resonators only affect sound volume. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

07-06-2010, 11:19 AM	#30 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	12" is a good bit louder than the 18". 18" has a deeper tone, though. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

07-04-2010, 12:17 PM	#16 (permalink)
OhYeah Base Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Thailand Posts: 79 Drives: 370z 40th Rep Power: 15	why, muffler is not at the center of the car?? Is it Error during installation or production?? YouTube - Fast Intentions Exhaust w/ 12" Resonators - 370Z

07-04-2010, 10:18 PM	#19 (permalink)
efuseakay Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: The DAYNGA ZONE! Posts: 404 Drives: 2010 G37xS Sedan Rep Power: 15	I have ERZ HFCs on my G37 sedan. Love them. They were raspy with the stock exhaust, but once I installed my Fast Intentions system, the rasp totally disappeared. There really isn't much difference between test pipes. They really are just straight pipes. Compare the materials used though. Some use better stainless steel. As far as performance, there won't be any difference regardless of brands. I would consider resonated test pipes, to cut down on the rasp. Adding a resonator in no way effects performance, other than sound.

07-06-2010, 11:17 AM	#29 (permalink)
OhYeah Base Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Thailand Posts: 79 Drives: 370z 40th Rep Power: 15	Thx you all for good informations 12" or 18" resonators is it a lot different in sound volume? I like the one that show on the clip very much. Which one that he use?

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