Stillen vs. Smoky: your take on intakes

Fairladybaker · 03-26-2010, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370

no chance. A short ram w/o heat shields will only lose power.

I heard the results initially and was shocked. So much so that I made Jason to go back to Secret Services and do the run again (after he was all the way back to the shop). Honestly I fully expected the Stillen to win. The bottom line is that reguardless of reaction, these results are legitimate. I checked the temperature myself. If need be I'm sure we can get someone from secret services to verify the legitimacy if anyone would like, they don't care either way.

Red370 · 03-26-2010, 07:43 PM

ok, the question I have is this, the JWT pop chargers and Takedas share the same exact tube shape/location, both lost power, yet this one gains? hmm...

TurboFC3C · 03-26-2010, 07:47 PM

Wow! Nice job to all of those involved. Sorry we couldn't be there this morning, some of us have day jobs!

nuTinmuch · 03-26-2010, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370

ok, the question I have is this, the JWT pop chargers and Takedas share the same exact tube shape/location, both lost power, yet this one gains? hmm...

It looks identical to the HKS one which did much the same. What is different? More importantly, could we see a dyno compared to stock (or at least without the intakes)?

I'm willing to believe they are better, but I am still suspicious.

theDreamer · 03-26-2010, 08:03 PM

The question which should be asked is how was the AFR for each run (Stillen v. TS)?
Stillen really runs the car lean which hurts it with other mods while the TS (similar to other SRI) keep the stock tune in check.

Did you guys get AF numbers?

semtex · 03-26-2010, 08:05 PM

Okay, 'fess up. You guys inserted a Turbonator in the pipes of the TS intake, didn't you?

dalparadise · 03-26-2010, 08:09 PM

I don't think the endgame here has anything to do with "keeping the stock tune in check", though. This car is getting a tune especially designed for the quirks of this setup. So, it only exaggerates the divide between it and the Stillen from here, right?

Red370 · 03-26-2010, 08:21 PM

I think somebody tweaked the dyno a bit when somebody wasnt looking!

Baker · 03-26-2010, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370

I think somebody tweaked the dyno a bit when somebody wasnt looking!

The only one tweaking the dyno was Smoky, with his awesome intake

tommyguns · 03-26-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Baker-Jackson Nissan

The only one tweaking the dyno was Smoky, with his awesome intake

It's a funny thing. Most of you guys will swear by dyno results unless of course they don't agree with what you want to see! Then somebody did something tricky, just live with the fact that there could be something better than the Stillen!

theDreamer · 03-26-2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by tommyguns

It's a funny thing. Most of you guys will swear by dyno results unless of course they don't agree with what you want to see! Then somebody did something tricky, just live with the fact that there could be something better than the Stillen!

I will be the first (maybe Semtex) on the next best thing, but the design of a short ram intake has been proven time and again not to work on this car. Open filters behind the radiator just does not work, yet, especially that high up and close to all the hot air.

tommyguns · 03-26-2010, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

I will be the first (maybe Semtex) on the next best thing, but the design of a short ram intake has been proven time and again not to work on this car. Open filters behind the radiator just does not work, yet, especially that high up and close to all the hot air.

Believe me I hear what you’re saying but the dyno doesn't lie. On top of that what would they have to gain by tweaking something. Please don't think I'm here to argue with anyone I'm just giving my opinion on what I'm reading, so please everyone with the G3 don't start bashing me for voicing my opinion.
Kindest regards,
Tom

Endgame · 03-26-2010, 09:36 PM

SWEET!! I am impressed as I thought Stillen would come out on top.

Question: Would the exhaust mods you had installed affect the outcome of these intakes power wise?

Question 2: I would assume that with the hood closed it truly simulated conditions under the hood in the real world heat wise. True? Or would it be worse (not talking bumper to bumper traffic)....

FuszNissan · 03-26-2010, 09:54 PM

What is the going price for Top Secret's Intakes?

DannyGT · 03-26-2010, 09:57 PM

Problem is most dyno's have fans simulating 15-30mph which is like asking someone to take a fitness test in a sauna. Thats why I think shorties lose out alot during dyno tests. Real world data logging means more to me when it comes to testing intakes in this manner.

Anyway - The results dont really surprise me. Its been common practice for ages now that intake makers would have it lean out a bit to make more power.

So far, ModShack has it right going with samco style hoses all the way threw. I would like to create a samco hose style intake system in Stillen G3 style. I think that would be the best combo as they seem to repel heat better than the standard aluminum on most of these intakes.

View Poll Results: Which intake do you think will come out on top?
Stillen G3	73	47.40%
Top Secret	48	31.17%
They will be essentially equal in HP gain.	33	21.43%
Voters: 154. You may not vote on this poll

03-26-2010, 07:43 PM	#32 (permalink)
Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 296	ok, the question I have is this, the JWT pop chargers and Takedas share the same exact tube shape/location, both lost power, yet this one gains? hmm... __________________ 2011 Mustang 5.0 \| 3.55's \| Lethal Performance off road H-Pipe \| Magnaflow Muffler Delete \| JLT CAI/Bama tuned 417whp/ 404 ft/lbs

03-26-2010, 08:03 PM	#35 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4210	The question which should be asked is how was the AFR for each run (Stillen v. TS)? Stillen really runs the car lean which hurts it with other mods while the TS (similar to other SRI) keep the stock tune in check. Did you guys get AF numbers? __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

03-26-2010, 08:05 PM	#36 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	Okay, 'fess up. You guys inserted a Turbonator in the pipes of the TS intake, didn't you? __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

03-26-2010, 08:09 PM	#37 (permalink)
dalparadise The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: May 2009 Location: Houston Posts: 354 Drives: 2010 Z Roadster T/S Rep Power: 16	I don't think the endgame here has anything to do with "keeping the stock tune in check", though. This car is getting a tune especially designed for the quirks of this setup. So, it only exaggerates the divide between it and the Stillen from here, right? __________________ 2010 Platinum Graphite Roadster - Tour/Sport/6MT/GReddy SE catback/B&M short shift If the top is up, it must be parked.

03-26-2010, 07:47 PM	#33 (permalink)
TurboFC3C Base Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 23 Drives: 98 S14 90 FC Rep Power: 15	Wow! Nice job to all of those involved. Sorry we couldn't be there this morning, some of us have day jobs!

03-26-2010, 08:21 PM	#38 (permalink)
Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 296	I think somebody tweaked the dyno a bit when somebody wasnt looking! __________________ 2011 Mustang 5.0 \| 3.55's \| Lethal Performance off road H-Pipe \| Magnaflow Muffler Delete \| JLT CAI/Bama tuned 417whp/ 404 ft/lbs

03-26-2010, 09:36 PM	#43 (permalink)
Endgame A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,613 Drives: Nothing Now! Rep Power: 224	SWEET!! I am impressed as I thought Stillen would come out on top. Question: Would the exhaust mods you had installed affect the outcome of these intakes power wise? Question 2: I would assume that with the hood closed it truly simulated conditions under the hood in the real world heat wise. True? Or would it be worse (not talking bumper to bumper traffic).... Last edited by Endgame; 03-26-2010 at 09:44 PM.

03-26-2010, 09:54 PM	#44 (permalink)
FuszNissan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 14,275 Drives: Pure Sex Rep Power: 542	What is the going price for Top Secret's Intakes? __________________ Mods: Too Many to list! LouFuszNissan ZDAYZ 2012

03-26-2010, 09:57 PM	#45 (permalink)
DannyGT Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Jersey Posts: 919 Drives: 370Z (SOLD) Rep Power: 279	Problem is most dyno's have fans simulating 15-30mph which is like asking someone to take a fitness test in a sauna. Thats why I think shorties lose out alot during dyno tests. Real world data logging means more to me when it comes to testing intakes in this manner. Anyway - The results dont really surprise me. Its been common practice for ages now that intake makers would have it lean out a bit to make more power. So far, ModShack has it right going with samco style hoses all the way threw. I would like to create a samco hose style intake system in Stillen G3 style. I think that would be the best combo as they seem to repel heat better than the standard aluminum on most of these intakes. __________________ Performance GTM Stage 1 SC, GTM Res.Test Pipes, Invidia Gemini Exhaust, GTM HD Oil Cooler Wheels & Suspension AME Tracer TM02's 19x9.5F 19x10.5R w/ 265x35F & 305x30R, Hotchkis Sways, BC (BR) Racing Coilovers (Car Sold)

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