Berk Vs F.I cat back system question?

KEVTEX · 03-27-2010, 03:17 PM

Mike Bonanni posted before and after dyno results showing Berk hfc+cbe total hp gain.

"Berk Technology High Flow Cat/Cat-Back Exhaust combo is dyno proven
to make 36whp!"

I would expect FI also makes good hp gains.

F.I. Inc. · 03-27-2010, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by KEVTEX

Mike Bonanni posted before and after dyno results showing Berk hfc+cbe total hp gain.

"Berk Technology High Flow Cat/Cat-Back Exhaust combo is dyno proven
to make 36whp!"

I would expect FI also makes good hp gains.

No it doesn't make 36 RWH. Show me a dyno chart where the car has a baseline and then the HFC's and CBE installed at the same time with the gains in question.

Let's say for example the car makes 280 RWH (average on a dynoJet)
So show me a dyno chart where a car with Berk HFC's & CBE makes 316+ RWH! Produce the dyno chart and I will shut up!

I am not trying to stir the pot! Believe me, I have long cleared the air between Bryan (Berk) and I. We are good! However I am trying to set the record straight.

Thanks, Tony

370Zsteve · 03-27-2010, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by F.I. Inc.

He might not but I have. I have heard Minicobra's in person while I was standing right next to Bryan from Berk!

I WILL NOT say anything negative or descriptive about the Berk because they are obviously my competitor and that is not professional. What I can tell you is (from the outside of the car) the Berk is not as deep or smooth as our exhaust system. Do not get me wrong, the Berk sounds very nice however I feel our system has a deeper, fuller exhaust note. As far as looks that all depends on the person buying the system. Ours has a very aggressive look that in IMHO fits the car well. The Berk has a much more stock sleeper look to it. Some people want that. I do not fault them, that is why everything is subjective...

Thanks, Tony

No offense Tony, but you can't say your system "has a fuller exhaust note" and "eveything is subjective" in the same post. Against Forum rules.

Matt · 03-27-2010, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

No offense Tony, but you can't say your system "has a fuller exhaust note" and "eveything is subjective" in the same post. Against Forum rules.

I'd like to dispute "fuller and deeper" comments, but the Berk I've heard (mine) was paired with HFCs, and the FI was not. I definitely would NOT say that Berk isn't full and deep, however. Far from it...

F.I. Inc. · 03-27-2010, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

No offense Tony, but you can't say your system "has a fuller exhaust note" and "eveything is subjective" in the same post. Against Forum rules.

Maybe I wasn't clear enough in the post but the subjective part pertained to "the looks".

As far as sound, I have been doing this a very long time and custom built exhaust systems for hundreds of different types of cars. We have systems in production for over 10 different cars!

I think I can trust my ears to know what a deep full sound is! Either it is deep or it is not. Very black and white to me, no Grey. I never said the Berk system did not sound good. All I said was, ours was deeper, smoother and fuller...

Thanks, Tony

dainedazz · 03-27-2010, 03:36 PM

Fast intentions hands down

F.I. Inc. · 03-27-2010, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt

I'd like to dispute "fuller and deeper" comments, but the Berk I've heard (mine) was paired with HFCs, and the FI was not. I definitely would NOT say that Berk isn't full and deep, however. Far from it...

You cannot compare a Berk system with HFC's to mine without. The DB levels are too different and it is apples to oranges. If you want to make a proper comparison take both with no HFC's or both with.

Tony

F.I. Inc. · 03-27-2010, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dainedazz

Fast intentions hands down

I appreciate the support but you will get nowhere by just writing 4 words. Explain why you back us and you have had to heard both in person to make a proper assessment.

I am not trying to climb all over you but others will feel you are being biased without a description...

Thanks, Tony

dainedazz · 03-27-2010, 03:44 PM

Driving with the Fast Intentions TDX CBE for about 6 months now & I have no complains. The sound is 10/10. Straight up Rich/Exotic sound. Nice deep rumble. Performance wise, I feel it pick up EARLY. I always get people complementing my exhaust

big ups to Tony & the F.I. team

F.I. Inc. · 03-27-2010, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dainedazz

Driving with the Fast Intentions TDX CBE for about 6 months now & I have no complains. The sound is 10/10. Straight up Rich/Exotic sound. Nice deep rumble. Performance wise, I feel it pick up EARLY. I always get people complementing my exhaust

big ups to Tony & the F.I. team

Much better description but have you heard the Berk in person?

370Zsteve · 03-27-2010, 04:02 PM

Someone needs to organize an audio drag race immediately.

ZforMe · 03-27-2010, 04:22 PM

Speed Channel to bring "My car is better than yours" internet forum wars to the tube [w/video] — Autoblog

Or something like this..

F.I. Inc. · 03-27-2010, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

Someone needs to organize an audio drag race immediately.

How about a real drag race at a strip. Bryan from Berk in one car and me in the other. We both run stock intakes with K&N drop ins of course. Our own HFC's and our own cat back exhaust systems. That would be fun but I won't hold my breath on it happening anytime soon. I think it would boost relations between the two companies and give you all something to enjoy.

kevin.z · 03-27-2010, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by F.I. Inc.

The avatar is classic bro!

Bush: What! u found the supercharger in iraq?

KEVTEX · 03-27-2010, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by F.I. Inc.

First and foremost, our system doesn't DRONE at cruising speeds.

Thanks, Tony

Tony, here are some quotes from your customers and lastly from you on the subject of drone with FI exhaust.

“The only drone sound I heard is when your at the 2.5 to 3k rpm range”
“I have drone around the 2-3K rpm range.”
“Tony , I have the FI cbe with 18'' res and carbon and really like the looks quality and sound (except the 2000-2300 drone) “
“The only issue I notice so far is the drone at 2k while cruising…”
“the drone around 2-3k RPM is my biggest issue”
“want to calm the drone down some while at 2K”

“Now me personally I do not feel that the drone at 2000-2400 RPM's is obtrusive.”
F.I.Inc (Tony )

2000-2400rpm=61-74mph=legal cruising speed

03-27-2010, 03:36 PM	#36 (permalink)
dainedazz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NY, NJ, Philippines Posts: 1,325 Drives: 09' SR 6MT Z34 Rep Power: 293	Fast intentions hands down __________________ DaineZ' Rosalena \| Kenwood \| Pioneer \| 3M \| 180 Custom \| Stillen \| Z1 \| Fast Intentions \| Setrab \| Eibach \| Varis \| UpRev \| TEIN \| UAM \| Amuse \| Bride \| Southbend \| WORK \| TWM \| BFGoodrich \| Robispec \| TAKATA \| GTSPEC \| *Instagram* @johndainez

03-27-2010, 03:44 PM	#39 (permalink)
dainedazz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NY, NJ, Philippines Posts: 1,325 Drives: 09' SR 6MT Z34 Rep Power: 293	Driving with the Fast Intentions TDX CBE for about 6 months now & I have no complains. The sound is 10/10. Straight up Rich/Exotic sound. Nice deep rumble. Performance wise, I feel it pick up EARLY. I always get people complementing my exhaust big ups to Tony & the F.I. team __________________ DaineZ' Rosalena \| Kenwood \| Pioneer \| 3M \| 180 Custom \| Stillen \| Z1 \| Fast Intentions \| Setrab \| Eibach \| Varis \| UpRev \| TEIN \| UAM \| Amuse \| Bride \| Southbend \| WORK \| TWM \| BFGoodrich \| Robispec \| TAKATA \| GTSPEC \| *Instagram* @johndainez

03-27-2010, 04:02 PM	#41 (permalink)
370Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Gold Coast CT Posts: 10,599 Drives: 2019 Corvette G.S. Rep Power: 43	Someone needs to organize an audio drag race immediately. __________________ SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS.

03-27-2010, 04:22 PM	#42 (permalink)
ZforMe Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Memphis TN Posts: 238 Drives: 370Z Sport Auto PG Rep Power: 16	Speed Channel to bring "My car is better than yours" internet forum wars to the tube [w/video] — Autoblog Or something like this.. __________________ 13.369 @ 102.73 Bone Stock. BERK HFC's installed 5/14/09 @ 1490miles, 13.212 @ 106.15. Cobb Post MAF Hoses installed 3/20/10 @ 5,043miles, future: FI exhaust with 18" res and s/s cans.

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KEVTEX Base Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Montgomery, TX Posts: 119 Drives: 2010 370Z 7at sp pg Rep Power: 16	Mike Bonanni posted before and after dyno results showing Berk hfc+cbe total hp gain. "Berk Technology High Flow Cat/Cat-Back Exhaust combo is dyno proven to make 36whp!" I would expect FI also makes good hp gains.