Fast Intentions exhaust and header comparison. Before and after UPRev tune (Dyno)

semtex · 03-25-2010, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Daishi

I agree maybe i shouldn't of said they did zero testing but think of it this way. No matter how you slice it whether they didnt do enough testing or their methodology was flawed it still leaves their product in my eyes in the end still as flawed as if they did little to no testing at all. I mean does it take a genius to make a couple systems, install it on a couple different cars and say holy crap this system doesn't fit right, lets fix it. No they ship the product anyway.. But lets just say for arguments sake they didnt experience that problem and all was well.. You would think after all the fitment complaints they would actually fix the problem but no to this day people continue to have problems with their products with no fix from stillen. Instead their answer is hey we are designing a new version just buy it when it comes out.. uhhh no fix the product that you sold me in the first place or give me the new version when that comes out free of charge.

I agree. Like I said, I have no problem admitting that their stuff is less than perfect. I am less than entirely smitten with their stuff, to put it diplomatically. To be honest, one of the biggest factors in why I went with some of their stuff is that they were first to market, and I'm just really impatient, lol. I bought my car in Jan. of '09 and was just dying to start modding it, but options were quite limited that early on. I'm glad that better stuff is coming to market (like F.I.'s stuff), and I have no problem with switching over when something better comes along (which is why I'm #2 on the group buy for the LTHs). I'm not brand-loyal. I'm results-loyal. Of course, my bank balance hates me, but that's a different topic for a different time and place.

Peace, bro.

Caravanshaka · 03-25-2010, 12:30 PM

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Daishi · 03-25-2010, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

I agree. Like I said, I have no problem admitting that their stuff is less than perfect. I am less than entirely smitten with their stuff, to put it diplomatically. To be honest, one of the biggest factors in why I went with some of their stuff is that they were first to market, and I'm just really impatient, lol. I bought my car in Jan. of '09 and was just dying to start modding it, but options were quite limited that early on. I'm glad that better stuff is coming to market (like F.I.'s stuff), and I have no problem with switching over when something better comes along (which is why I'm #2 on the group buy for the LTHs). I'm not brand-loyal. I'm results-loyal. Of course, my bank balance hates me, but that's a different topic for a different time and place.

Peace, bro.

I completely understand and I probably couldn't of said that better myself. Like you my bank balance hates me as well lol. Now lets hope we can get these LTH's in hand soon

we are #2 and #3 shouldn't be long. Im anxious to experience all the gains lol.

Peace Out.

semtex · 03-25-2010, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Daishi

Maybe your ok with people spending their hard earned money on a product that has a good chance of causing them problems but im not..Thats not to say that Im going to go out of my way to post in every thread saying stillen products suck but I did feel the need to voice my opinion in this thread because the evidence is irrefutable. If someone asks my opinion on the stillen product I have no problem telling them hey dont buy this product because of such and such.

No, I'm with you on warning others about problems. Maybe I haven't been sufficiently clear. I have absolutely no problem with legitimate criticism of a company and/or its products if they're not up to par. My objection was based solely on the 'zero testing' remark. In other words, if something sucks, I think we should all say so and warn others, tell them what the deficiencies are, etc. I just don't think it's necessary or helpful to exaggerate those deficiencies is all. (The zero testing claim, for example, would be what I consider to be an exaggeration.)

semtex · 03-25-2010, 12:37 PM

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Daishi · 03-25-2010, 12:38 PM

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No, I'm with you on warning others about problems. Maybe I haven't been sufficiently clear. I have absolutely no problem with legitimate criticism of a company and/or its products if they're not up to par. My objection was based solely on the 'zero testing' remark. In other words, if something sucks, I think we should all say so and warn others, tell them what the deficiencies are, etc. I just don't think it's necessary or helpful to exaggerate those deficiencies is all. (The zero testing claim, for example, would be what I consider to be an exaggeration.)

Its all good we are on the same page I posted that without seeing your last post #136

Caravanshaka · 03-25-2010, 12:41 PM

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no need to post self portraits sem

sorry to derail a little, but was impressed that I didn't see this blow up like most internet arguements

Daishi · 03-25-2010, 12:48 PM

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no need to post self portraits sem

sorry to derail a little, but was impressed that I didn't see this blow up like most internet arguements

LOL. This is how every internet debate should end but often doesnt.

Caravanshaka · 03-25-2010, 12:54 PM

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LOL. This is how every internet debate should end but often doesnt.

Tony, carry on with your beautiful LTH's

semtex · 03-25-2010, 12:56 PM

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LOL. This is how every internet debate should end but often doesnt.

Well, I have a rule of thumb when it comes to internet debates. I look at who I'm considering getting into a debate with. If I know the guy and know him to be a reasonable person, I have no qualms about starting the debate because I figure we'll either end up on the same page, or at worst we'll respectfully agree to disagree with one another. On the other hand, if I don't know the guy, or worse yet know him to be a douche, I'll just keep my mouth shut and walk away, because it's not worth the aggravation. Well okay, I've been known to engage a few douchebags every now and then just to tear them a new one. But I usually go by these guidelines.

LiquidZ · 03-25-2010, 12:59 PM

Tony, I'm a little late in saying this, but I am very impressed by the midrange gains. Good job buddy!

u155282 · 03-25-2010, 06:37 PM

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Don't think you can do that because the collectors are right around where the hfcs would go. It'd totally mess up the design.

Couldn't you just put them further down, past the collectors, or anywhere else where they would still do their job but not interfere with other functional elements? Maybe I don't know enough about it...

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Originally Posted by semtex

They wouldn't be LTHs anymore if you did that. They'd be regular short headers.

I didn't realize the elimination of cats is what gave them their name. That makes sense though.

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you'd be better off buying shorty headers and a set of hfc's though since it's not as efficient you leave some significant power on the table.

That's why I asked the question. I thought setting it up the way I suggested would be more efficient and sound better than the shorty/hfc combo while still remaining legal.

B1nks · 03-25-2010, 11:21 PM

[QUOTE=u155282;464256]Couldn't you just put them further down, past the collectors, or anywhere else where they would still do their job but not interfere with other functional elements? Maybe I don't know enough about it...

No because the distance from where the LTH meet the block to where they meet the exhaust is a certain distance. That distance is the same as stock headers + cats/HFC combo. Most if not all of the exhausts are made to fit up to the stock mounting point. If you add onto the LTH by adding HFC then you would need a custom exhaust with adjusted measurements to mate up to it.

Not sure if I explained that well enough but I gave it a shot.

F.I. Inc. · 03-26-2010, 12:02 AM

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Couldn't you just put them further down, past the collectors, or anywhere else where they would still do their job but not interfere with other functional elements? Maybe I don't know enough about it...

No because the distance from where the LTH meets the block to where they meet the exhaust is a certain distance. That distance is the same as stock headers + cats/HFC combo. Most if not all of the exhausts are made to fit up to the stock mounting point. If you add onto the LTH by adding HFC then you would need a custom exhaust with adjusted measurements to mate up to it.

Not sure if I explained that well enough but I gave it a shot.

Close enough I at least get your point. Just change where the header meets the block to, where the header meets the head of the engine...

Tony

earwicker7 · 03-26-2010, 12:17 AM

As someone who is even more on the fence about getting a tune post-installation after seeing no gains in HP/torque, I'm hoping someone can help me figure this out.

How is tweaking the tune making things safer?

I really originally wanted to get a tune, but if I'm not seeing much of a gain at the risk of losing my warranty, I kind of need some convincing.

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03-25-2010, 12:59 PM	#146 (permalink)
LiquidZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,940 Drives: Mag. Black 2009 370Z Rep Power: 705	Tony, I'm a little late in saying this, but I am very impressed by the midrange gains. Good job buddy! __________________

03-26-2010, 12:17 AM	#150 (permalink)
earwicker7 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Burbank, CA Posts: 265 Drives: 09 370Z (maxed out) Rep Power: 16	As someone who is even more on the fence about getting a tune post-installation after seeing no gains in HP/torque, I'm hoping someone can help me figure this out. How is tweaking the tune making things safer? I really originally wanted to get a tune, but if I'm not seeing much of a gain at the risk of losing my warranty, I kind of need some convincing. __________________ 2009 Magnetic Black 370Z with Touring, Sports and Navigation Packages--Fast Intentions CBE with 12" Resonators/Carbon Fiber Mufflers and LTH--Stillen G3 Cold Air Intakes, Underdrive Pulley and Grounding Kit--Uprev Tune

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03-25-2010, 11:21 PM	#148 (permalink)
B1nks Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Houston,Tx Posts: 721 Drives: 2009 370Z Base 6MT Rep Power: 507	[QUOTE=u155282;464256]Couldn't you just put them further down, past the collectors, or anywhere else where they would still do their job but not interfere with other functional elements? Maybe I don't know enough about it... No because the distance from where the LTH meet the block to where they meet the exhaust is a certain distance. That distance is the same as stock headers + cats/HFC combo. Most if not all of the exhausts are made to fit up to the stock mounting point. If you add onto the LTH by adding HFC then you would need a custom exhaust with adjusted measurements to mate up to it. Not sure if I explained that well enough but I gave it a shot.