Berk Vs F.I cat back system question?

[EVL370]

Hey guys,

I haven't herd them both in person. Only on you tube videos.

Berk cat back and F.I cat back with 18' res both systems matched up with HFC's

Which is louder? I know loudness isnt everything its more of the tone of the exhaust note. But feedback would be great!

[bejan]

In my opinion, Fast Intentions sounds extremely good in person. I've heard a Fast Intentions non resonated test pipe + 12 inch resonators stainless steel mufflers in person and I was literally blown away by how good it sounded. It sounds like an exotic car mixed with the deep sound of a muscle car. It sounds unique and extremely good!

I'm getting my Fast Intentions exhaust with 12 inch resonators and carbon fiber mufflers installed tomorrow so stay tuned for video and pics.

Trust me, you will be more impressed with the Fast Intentions in all categories.

[B1nks]

I can promise you the F.I. will be louder/more aggressive.

[KEVTEX]

The drone at cruising speed was enough to reject the FI exhaust. The big gain in whp from the Berk cbe and hfc's along with great sound made the choice easy for me. If you want loud and don't mind the drone then go for the FI cbe as they also look nicer.

[Matt]

I've heard both F.I. AND Berk in person, albeit the Berk CBE was paired with HFCs.

First of all, they both sound awesome and I promise, unless you're extremely nitpicky or over-sensitive, neither will disappoint you or leave you with buyer's remorse.

Fast Intentions exhaust makes your car sound like a totally different car. When my friend was coming from a few blocks away, I could have sworn it was some Euro import, $90k+ car. It wasn't as deep as I like, but definitely aggressive and head-turning. Exotic is certainly the word that is used most often, and it fits well, I promise.

Berk exhaust (again, I've only heard it paired with HFCs, which is probably an unfair comparison with F.I., admittingly) has a roar that, in my opinion, fits the car perfectly. It's a very deep growl, and possibly a little less volume than the F.I. CBE alone. Very aggressive, and the roar doesn't change from 3k->7k, you just feel it deeper in the pit of your stomach as you get higher in the RPMs!

They both are relatively quiet at lower RPMs, with the Berk being the more subtle of the two below 2k RPMs. Neither have any drone above 3k. I'm not going to comment about the drone of the FI below 2k, because I've only been in a 7AT, which has a lower shift point than what most MT drivers will choose. Now that the group buys are over, they are relatively close in price.

F.I. is a lot "prettier" of an exhaust system. The welds are impeccable and the rear view of the install is breath-taking. BERK CBE definitely has a stock look to it, and while the welds are strong and the fitment is right, it doesn't have the "wow" factor when you take it out of the box. Mind you, once it goes on your car, no one sees most of what I've mentioned anyways.

Another factor to keep in mind is your future plans with HFCs/LTHs. While both, assumingly, are compatible in any configuration, getting the full system of either may result in a more complete sound and/or performance. Then again, as I'm not an expert, it may not matter at all!!!

[Nick911sc]

Great writeup Matt

[EVL370]

Agreed that was a great help.

It's the same old story really

I'm impressed with F.Is quality and customer service.

I'm impressed with Berk being stock looking and sound.

I come from a WRX / Speed 3 background so I'm after somthing tuff.

I have been advised by Tony himself from F.I to go for the 18" res if I had high flow cats. However I am in my early 20s and I wouldnt mind somthing more wild and crazy. Plus I do alot of mountain driving, I dont want my F.I cannons taking out a Wombat.

P.S Matt, what res did your mate have?

[Matt]

Originally Posted by EVL370

Agreed that was a great help.

It's the same old story really

I'm impressed with F.Is quality and customer service.

I'm impressed with Berk being stock looking and sound.

I come from a WRX / Speed 3 background so I'm after somthing tuff.

I have been advised by Tony himself from F.I to go for the 18" res if I had high flow cats. However I am in my early 20s and I wouldnt mind somthing more wild and crazy. Plus I do alot of mountain driving, I dont want my F.I cannons taking out a Wombat.

P.S Matt, what res did your mate have?

If you have any concerns that your F.I. system may be too loud, go with the 18". If you have any concerns that it may not be loud enough, go with 12". That is, of course, if you're set on choosing that brand.

I'm certainly not trying to persuade you into choosing one or the other, and I absolutely revere Tony and F.I.'s customer service and professionalism, but assuming that both systems you mention in the OP last a lifetime with no mechanical issues (neither show any signs of poor, general workmanship), what's the single factor that you have to live with every day you own the Z? The look/sound/tone of the exhaust!

The system my friend, Zsteve, has 12" resonators, IIRC.

[Zsteve]

My FI CBE with 12/resonators has about the same sound level as you would hear from a V8 mustang, just a little less throatier, but right there with them. I have HFCs to put on but have a stripped bolt so I have to find a good shop to get it off then I will see how much louder it gets. right now its about perfect tone wise. There is drone but you will get that in any exhaust that has very little bends, but this helps in the performance department. It sounds like a muscle car and looks like a ports car.

[EVL370]

hmmm, might wait and see how the next lot of berk exhauts go out.

If I went with F.I. I think the 12" res might be on the cards for me with carbon fiber mufflers for more a sleeper look. Wouldn't mind matching it up with the berk HFC's. Seems to be very high gains with the berks.

[Zsteve]

Originally Posted by EVL370

hmmm, might wait and see how the next lot of berk exhauts go out.

If I went with F.I. I think the 12" res might be on the cards for me with carbon fiber mufflers for more a sleeper look. Wouldn't mind matching it up with the berk HFC's. Seems to be very high gains with the berks.

Here is the thing with mods and gains, IMO atleast. I have heard people say that have gained 15 hp/tq from HFCs and then I have seen some only gain 5 hp/tq (FI dyno shows this). I think whatever mod you do first nets the most gains as it opens the airflow to about its max effeciency. The later mods gain some but not as much as if they were the first mod you had done. This being that the flow is already close to perfect. So a HFC as a first mod will net 15 hp/tq, a CBE as the first mod will net 15 hp/tq, and G3 intake as a first mod will net 15 hp/tq. But you will not get 15 + 15 +15 when they are all done. So iwould say if you are only going to do one mod for right now pick the one that you would like to see or hear the most first. For me that was the FI CBE as it looks bad aZZ and sounds bad aZZ.

[Matt]

Steve, when are you coming back to Augusta? We'll make the community happy and do a HD video of both a BERK and FI drive-by, startup, and revs.

[EVL370]

Agreed, any high flowing exhaust needs a good intake system. I'm currently ordering the injen intake in black.


I can only find 2 videos of berk cats and fi exhaust. None are taking off.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by EVL370

Agreed, any high flowing exhaust needs a good intake system. I'm currently ordering the injen intake in black.

The stock intakes on our Zs aren't anywhere near as limiting as the stock cats/CBE are.

[Zsteve]

Originally Posted by Matt

Steve, when are you coming back to Augusta? We'll make the community happy and do a HD video of both a BERK and FI drive-by, startup, and revs.

Should be there from May thru June. And Im gonna pick your brain about your job as its real close to what I have to do.