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WShade 01-20-2009 08:54 AM

Z1 states 50 miles on their car when this pull was made. Could be something as simple as bad gas from the dealer just like JoeyD said earlier.

TomatoEvo 01-20-2009 12:26 PM

So the dip is supposed to be knock then? Come on guys that could be any number of things (tach signal loose, gummy injectors, etc.). You want to measure knock get the proper equipment on a load bearing dyno at varying engine speeds.

In a knock event where timing is pulled you will see some indication on the A/F curve(abruptness) and it looks pretty smooth on the Z1 graph.

I'm not saying that its not possible I'm just saying that these types of statements can get taken too far on very little evidence.

Side Note: Much respect to Berk for there excellent testpipes on the S2000. :)

BerkTech 01-20-2009 03:03 PM

GTM graph with knock response. (red lines)
http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/l...70Z/2ndrun.jpg

BerkTech 01-20-2009 03:23 PM

It's hard to tell without seeing these cars in person. But the AF will not always change when the ECU pulls timing. These motors might just be very sensitive to knock levels. Remember that the ECU is using a narrowband microphone to measure the characteristic sound signature knock gives off, but isn't a direct measurement of knock.

Hi Tomatoevo! Greetings. I guess you guys already know us from the S2000 world. Your S2000's as well is very prone to pinging & knocking even with the stock ECU. I have had nearly stock cars ping away on the dyno with nothing more than intake/header/test pipe/exhaust.

Time will tell if the 370's are as knock sensitive as I think they are.

RCZ 01-20-2009 06:52 PM

Hmm, you are going out on a bit of a limb to call that knock so early in the game and without any real data other than a blip in a dyno curve...

BerkTech 01-20-2009 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 22224)
Hmm, you are going out on a bit of a limb to call that knock so early in the game and without any real data other than a blip in a dyno curve...

Exactly. That's why I'm posing the question here. What does that blip look like to you?

Double Down Motorsports will be back to back dyno testing our 370Z HFC's later this week. We'll get some real answers from DDM pretty soon.

ZforMe 01-20-2009 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BerkTech (Post 22237)
Double Down Motorsports will be back to back dyno testing our 370Z HFC's later this week. We'll get some real answers from DDM pretty soon.

SWEEEET!!!!!!

Before i was set on the 370Z i was going to get a G37 sedan, and the Berk HFC's would have been my first mod.

Assuming everything goes well at the Dyno, when do you expect the 370Z HFC's will be ready to order?

RCZ 01-20-2009 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BerkTech (Post 22237)
Exactly. That's why I'm posing the question here. What does that blip look like to you?

Double Down Motorsports will be back to back dyno testing our 370Z HFC's later this week. We'll get some real answers from DDM pretty soon.

I'm going to say that it might be knock or an oversensitive knock sensor....but who knows...could be many things including very slight loss of traction on the dyno or the "driver" adjusting his right foot. I do have to say it looks an awful lot like timing is being pulled...

TomatoEvo 01-20-2009 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BerkTech (Post 22163)
Hi Tomatoevo! Greetings. I guess you guys already know us from the S2000 world. Your S2000's as well is very prone to pinging & knocking even with the stock ECU. I have had nearly stock cars ping away on the dyno with nothing more than intake/header/test pipe/exhaust.

Time will tell if the 370's are as knock sensitive as I think they are.

Can't argue with that, S2K's tend to lean out with basic modifications on stock tune.

TerribleONE 01-26-2009 01:44 AM

breaks loose in third? huh...?

RCZ 01-26-2009 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danops (Post 23828)
Regarding the 'knock'....

Has anyone looked into the C-VTC & VVEL variables on these motors? This could be the primary cause of the 'knock' symptom.

Does the 'knock' experience vary at a different throttle position/load?

Out of curiousity... I'd like to see more details like datalogging, dyno results that include throttle input & calculated engine load, air fuel, etc...

If these issues are apparent from just a stock motor & stock motor w/ test pipes, I would be very concerned about reliability with additional modifications including intake systems, headers, exhausts, and other parts without precise tuning.

+1

Need more info.

Crash 01-26-2009 08:33 PM

What does VSA stand for?

TomatoEvo 01-26-2009 11:15 PM

^ Its Nissan's term for their traction/stability program.

Vehicle Stability Assist maybe?

Crash 01-26-2009 11:27 PM

And disabling it let the motor work harder?! Interesting.

BerkTech 02-03-2009 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crash (Post 24526)
And disabling it let the motor work harder?! Interesting.

Not really. If it detects wheel slippage it will cut the throttle. It's just Nissan's nomenclature for "electrical traction control". Goes by the name of DSC, TRC, E-Diff, etc. But it's all the same thing.

Your foot (gas pedal) isn't actually connected to the throttle plate. It's all done by electronics. Hence the term DBW, "drive by wire".


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