Z1 Motorsports H-Pipe?

RanRich · 05-19-2021, 01:11 PM

Has anyone replaced their factory Nismo h-pipe with this full 2.5" version from Z1?

https://www.z1motorsports.com/z1-pro...t-p-16779.html

Curious to know if the flow improvement would actually yield any worthwhile butt dyno results or tangible numbers. $300 isn't bad and the OEM h-pipe looks pretty shrimpy. Know people have done full mid-pipe swaps, but any info or experience anyone can offer on this would be greatly appreciated!

UPDATE

Ended up buying after discovering a leak/broken weld on the OEM Nismo H-pipe. Got it installed last Friday and it sounds PERFECT - deeper tone but still quiet enough for daily duty and driving around town under the radar. However there are two things to address:

1 - once the system warms up after ~20 minutes of normal driving, it seems to expand to a point where it vibrates against the chassis at certain RPMs (from a stop, low 2K)

2 - the shop RTV'd the heck out of the slip joints but I can swear the right one is leaking once the system warms up and is under heavy throttle

I'll give it a 3/5 all in all. It sounds great but has some fitment issues that need to be addressed. I might get it welded and see if that helps but TBD.

Apex000 · 05-19-2021, 04:44 PM

i'm in the market for this as well and was curious of thoughts on it. seems like a no brainer tbh & it's only $300

Cyber370 · 05-19-2021, 05:18 PM

Looks ok except for one thing. It has no flex pipes. I consider that unacceptable and it would definitely cause a lot more vibration and resonance. Furthermore, I question the longevity of the pipe without a flex section. Not much of an upgrade IMHO.

RanRich · 05-24-2021, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyber370

Looks ok except for one thing. It has no flex pipes. I consider that unacceptable and it would definitely cause a lot more vibration and resonance. Furthermore, I question the longevity of the pipe without a flex section. Not much of an upgrade IMHO.

Lots of exhaust systems are sold without flex pipes - Fast intentions, Invidia, Greddy , Injen, Stillen, etc. I understand your concern, but think given the success and high regards for the above brands its not as detrimental as you think. Also the OEM Nismo H-pipe is like 2" ID at most, vs a full 2.5" here, that alone would be decent flow improvement.

I mainly wonder if this suffers the same slip joint leaks reported on their Y-pipe. Can anyone speak to that?

Cyber370 · 05-24-2021, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RanRich

Lots of exhaust systems are sold without flex pipes - Fast intentions, Invidia, Greddy , Injen, Stillen, etc. I understand your concern, but think given the success and high regards for the above brands its not as detrimental as you think. Also the OEM Nismo H-pipe is like 2" ID at most, vs a full 2.5" here, that alone would be decent flow improvement.

I mainly wonder if this suffers the same slip joint leaks reported on their Y-pipe. Can anyone speak to that?

Invidia exhausts used to have flex pipes but seem to have been replaced by a slip joint and spring design. This still does the job but it is a cheaper option. Borla also has the same design. At least it allows for some play for engine flexing on acceleration and such. I personally think not including flex joints in an exhaust mid pipe (per OEM design) is cheaping out. You’re free to buy what you like but if your paying the money, they should include proper flex pipes. Just saying.

PS: Flex pipes are very expensive and eliminating them is just a way for exhaust fabricators to save some serious cash. But quality does suffer in the long run.

RanRich · 06-01-2021, 01:24 PM

Anyone here who actually has experience with this part? Looking for firsthand accounts/input to make this decision

Hotrodz · 06-01-2021, 03:08 PM

My first exhaust was an AAM true dual exhaust. It performed well. Their's is way more expensive than the Z1. I think anything will be an improvement over OEM and I would not worry about the flex pipe. To each their own as I have been running a FI exhaust without any issues for five plus years. I have seen lots of exhaust where the flex pipe ends up damaged and gets holes in them. $300 is a pretty cheap upgrade.

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-ZS-Carpenter · 06-01-2021, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

I would not worry about the flex pipe. To each their own as I have been running a FI exhaust without any issues for five plus years. I have seen lots of exhaust where the flex pipe ends up damaged and gets holes in them. $300 is a pretty cheap upgrade.

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Close to 5 years with the Stillen exhaust here, no flex pipes no problems. I didn't want flex pipes for the exact reason you mentioned. They are always the first thing to get damaged or rot out and start leaking.

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RanRich · 06-17-2021, 05:15 PM

So do I really have to be the guinea pig? NO ONE else here has one?

Hotrodz · 06-17-2021, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RanRich

So do I really have to be the guinea pig? NO ONE else here has one?

LMAO, I am sure others have it but they may not be on the forum and just silent. I don't want to sound insensitive but $300 on a mod that has a 90% chance of being an improvement is not being a guinea pig. If you can't afford to eat some products in the name of performance you can't afford to upgrade your car. Between me and Jarblue we got enough parts collecting dust that we could sell them and buy another Z.

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RanRich · 06-18-2021, 11:12 AM

You’re not wrong on any counts there - this is just the 4th or 5th exhaust setup I’ve had on the car in pursuit of something that sounds decent and isn’t too loud so hoping for some firsthand endorsements. Not a problem of affording just a problem of spending too much in one area over and over - could have a brand new Amuse exhaust at this point! Guess we’ll just see how it sounds/feels without it and go from there.

THE BULL · 06-18-2021, 11:50 AM

Well flex's do help as well as the catalytic support bracket.

Want your exhaust to last you? keep one of these.

The resonance at 3k will something over time, an additional hanger or rubber isolators wont hurt.

The only time I would trust running pipes and solid Y is if they're made of thick steel but then you're putting the strain on the header flange.

2011 Nismo#91 · 06-21-2021, 08:56 AM

I'd get the AAM one if you want an H pipe. There will be no significant impact to performance unless you do a whole cat back exhaust. If you want something that's a bit cheaper but still pretty good check out the Garage line X pipe cat back.

krazynismo · 07-02-2021, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RanRich

You’re not wrong on any counts there - this is just the 4th or 5th exhaust setup I’ve had on the car in pursuit of something that sounds decent and isn’t too loud so hoping for some firsthand endorsements. Not a problem of affording just a problem of spending too much in one area over and over - could have a brand new Amuse exhaust at this point! Guess we’ll just see how it sounds/feels without it and go from there.

@ranrich i was looking at these as well. did you decide to purchase? the nismo R tune exhaust is an upgrade H pipe (2.5" ID) with flex pipes. as far as i have seen it is the only other exhaust than AAM that offers an H pipe and flex joints instead of X or Y.

RanRich · 07-05-2021, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by krazynismo

@ranrich i was looking at these as well. did you decide to purchase? the nismo R tune exhaust is an upgrade H pipe (2.5" ID) with flex pipes. as far as i have seen it is the only other exhaust than AAM that offers an H pipe and flex joints instead of X or Y.

Not yet - decided to see how I felt with the full OEM system first. Just got the exhaust on this past Thursday but discovered a leak at the drivers side test pipe - manifold so have to address that to know how it really sounds.

Will keep you posted if I buy, but if anyone else pulls the trigger first please share your thoughts!

05-19-2021, 01:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
RanRich Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: St. Louis Posts: 425 Drives: 09 PG Sport M6 Rep Power: 3372	Z1 Motorsports H-Pipe? Has anyone replaced their factory Nismo h-pipe with this full 2.5" version from Z1? https://www.z1motorsports.com/z1-pro...t-p-16779.html Curious to know if the flow improvement would actually yield any worthwhile butt dyno results or tangible numbers. $300 isn't bad and the OEM h-pipe looks pretty shrimpy. Know people have done full mid-pipe swaps, but any info or experience anyone can offer on this would be greatly appreciated! UPDATE Ended up buying after discovering a leak/broken weld on the OEM Nismo H-pipe. Got it installed last Friday and it sounds PERFECT - deeper tone but still quiet enough for daily duty and driving around town under the radar. However there are two things to address: 1 - once the system warms up after ~20 minutes of normal driving, it seems to expand to a point where it vibrates against the chassis at certain RPMs (from a stop, low 2K) 2 - the shop RTV'd the heck out of the slip joints but I can swear the right one is leaking once the system warms up and is under heavy throttle I'll give it a 3/5 all in all. It sounds great but has some fitment issues that need to be addressed. I might get it welded and see if that helps but TBD. Apex000 and babyzilla like this. __________________ AAM \| Dynosty \| Ecutek \| Eibach \| Hawk \| H&R \| Nismo \| Stillen \| Stoptech \| Z1 Last edited by RanRich; 08-06-2021 at 12:00 PM.

05-19-2021, 05:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
Cyber370 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Montreal, QC Canada Posts: 679 Drives: 2016 370Z Nismo 6MT Rep Power: 19372	Looks ok except for one thing. It has no flex pipes. I consider that unacceptable and it would definitely cause a lot more vibration and resonance. Furthermore, I question the longevity of the pipe without a flex section. Not much of an upgrade IMHO. __________________ "That’s when you know you’ve found somebody special. When you can just shut the fck up for a minute and comfortably enjoy the silence.”-Mia (Pulp Fiction)*

06-01-2021, 01:24 PM	#6 (permalink)
RanRich Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: St. Louis Posts: 425 Drives: 09 PG Sport M6 Rep Power: 3372	Anyone here who actually has experience with this part? Looking for firsthand accounts/input to make this decision __________________ AAM \| Dynosty \| Ecutek \| Eibach \| Hawk \| H&R \| Nismo \| Stillen \| Stoptech \| Z1

06-01-2021, 03:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
Hotrodz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684385	My first exhaust was an AAM true dual exhaust. It performed well. Their's is way more expensive than the Z1. I think anything will be an improvement over OEM and I would not worry about the flex pipe. To each their own as I have been running a FI exhaust without any issues for five plus years. I have seen lots of exhaust where the flex pipe ends up damaged and gets holes in them. $300 is a pretty cheap upgrade. Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk JARblue, Rusty and RanRich like this. __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

06-17-2021, 05:15 PM	#9 (permalink)
RanRich Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: St. Louis Posts: 425 Drives: 09 PG Sport M6 Rep Power: 3372	So do I really have to be the guinea pig? NO ONE else here has one? __________________ AAM \| Dynosty \| Ecutek \| Eibach \| Hawk \| H&R \| Nismo \| Stillen \| Stoptech \| Z1

05-19-2021, 04:44 PM	#2 (permalink)
Apex000 Base Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Austin , Texas Posts: 39 Drives: '10 Nismo Z34 Rep Power: 12	i'm in the market for this as well and was curious of thoughts on it. seems like a no brainer tbh & it's only $300

06-18-2021, 11:12 AM	#11 (permalink)
RanRich Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: St. Louis Posts: 425 Drives: 09 PG Sport M6 Rep Power: 3372	You’re not wrong on any counts there - this is just the 4th or 5th exhaust setup I’ve had on the car in pursuit of something that sounds decent and isn’t too loud so hoping for some firsthand endorsements. Not a problem of affording just a problem of spending too much in one area over and over - could have a brand new Amuse exhaust at this point! Guess we’ll just see how it sounds/feels without it and go from there. __________________ AAM \| Dynosty \| Ecutek \| Eibach \| Hawk \| H&R \| Nismo \| Stillen \| Stoptech \| Z1

06-18-2021, 11:50 AM	#12 (permalink)
THE BULL Base Member Join Date: Apr 2021 Location: Florida Posts: 217 Drives: G37S Rep Power: 26848	Well flex's do help as well as the catalytic support bracket. Want your exhaust to last you? keep one of these. The resonance at 3k will something over time, an additional hanger or rubber isolators wont hurt. The only time I would trust running pipes and solid Y is if they're made of thick steel but then you're putting the strain on the header flange.

06-21-2021, 08:56 AM	#13 (permalink)
2011 Nismo#91 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 2,401 Drives: slowly Rep Power: 40569	I'd get the AAM one if you want an H pipe. There will be no significant impact to performance unless you do a whole cat back exhaust. If you want something that's a bit cheaper but still pretty good check out the Garage line X pipe cat back. __________________ GTR TT 493Whp/431lbft, Ecutek, Southbend 6puck,Quaife, RPM RollBar 4Point, R888R, JRZ RSPro F(10R/10C) R(10R/6C) 1000f500r inlbs+150inlbs Tender, SPL everywhere.Full Specs

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