ERZ Performance High Flow Cats, Install and Review Thread
 

After long debate, I decided to pull the trigger on ERZ Performance high flow cats. While some of our site sponsors are offering great deals on Berk HFCs, none could match the price ERZ is charging for theirs. I placed the order last week, and 5 business days later the cats arrived at my door (Cali to Chicago). The following is a review of the cats and will be a work in progress as they are installed and tested.

On first look, the build quality is top notch. I've spoken with the guys at ERZ a number of times and they confirmed that the HFCs are full polished 304 SS construction. Compare this to many CBE systems that mix 304 (better stainless) and 409 (so-so stainless) steels. The welds look great and they even packaged in some long, right-angle non-fouler bungs to further minimize the likelihood of CELs. We'll see how that goes with some driving time. For tuners, the cats come with wide-band bungs already included free-of-charge and are plugged with hex lugs for those who don't use them. ERZ uses 200 cell cores which I believe is par for the course with our HFC options.

1/16/10 UPDATE:
ERZ Cats installed this morning at Ultimate Z in Streamwood, IL. KT at Ultimate Z was excellent and had them in within an hour. No issues, no problems. I think he snapped two of the factory bolts but he said that has happened to most of the stock 370Z cats he's taken off. Then it was off for an afternoon driving around and testing them out.

On first start with a cold car, there was pronounced rasp and hiss. The exhaust note at idle is deeper. Revving revealed a noticeable off-throttle hiss as the revs drop and there was a good bit of rasp during the up-rev. I was a bit apprehensive with the results at first. About 10 minutes into my drive away from the shop, the cats started to settle in. Essentially, all the negative sound aspects became more subdued. Once the cats were at operating temperature, the rasp became quite minimal but slightly audible in the background exhaust note on WOT runs. The hiss also dampened and can be heard around the footwells on gradual off-throttle decelerations. While audible, I don't find it intrusive or a deal-breaker.

The overall sound has become deeper and richer than the Stillen CBE alone. It really gives the sense of a more 'open' exhaust note. Under WOT in the cabin, there's a nice full, deep sound that gets loud but never passes the too loud level. Even the loudest areas of acceleration (~4k RPM) never became painful. There is NO DRONE at all with this combination. That's to say, no panels rattle and your head never feels like it will explode. I didn't have a headache after having driven around all afternoon. With respect to rasp, it's very noticeable on cold start but settles down to a faint background rasp under WOT only once the exhaust heats up. While noticeable, I don't find it intrusive and it adds to the mechanical, racecar feel of the new sound.

A quick dB check in the car under WOT resulted in the Stillen CBE and stock cats at 78dB while the Stillen CBE and ERZ Cats were 88dB. An obvious jump, but not an ear shattering change.

I've now experienced first hand: 1) stock exhaust, 2) Berk HFCs with stock CBE (friend's car), 3) muffler delete with stock cats, 4) Stillen CBE with stock cats, and 4) Stillen CBE with ERZ HFCs. The stock exhaust was much too boring and prompted all the latter setups. The Berk cats with stock CBE livens the sound but adds more of the rasp/hiss without incorporating a lot of the deeper, more delightful elements. The muffler delete with stock cats is the 'wild man' option. It sounds ridiculous (in an awesome way), but is only for the already deaf or those who wish to be. The Stillen CBE with stock cats is smooth and rich with no rasp or drone. However, it just wasn't quite loud enough for me. The final combo of ERZ HFCs with the Stillen CBE increases the overall sound by a manageable level, deepens the tone, adds some 'wild man' flair, while introducing only a touch of the undersireable rasp (again, no drone). Overall, I'm happy with the combination and think this is where I'm going to stay. Time will tell with the old CEL light, but 50mi have been CEL free thus far.

In the end, I'd say everyone can safely add the ERZ cats to the options list and perhaps put them at the top given their incredible pricing. Really, who can pass on $369 shipped?

***Video Added, please forgive our commentary. We're children :). Unfortunately I was a bit limited with the videos given my winter tires. They kill takeoffs and we couldn't find a good area that was police and pedestrian free to really open her up.

Sounds good. Looking forward to the pictures and videos.

As i understand it 409 steel is stronger and resists temp better than 304. I could be wrong, don't feel like google-ing. Just saying different doesn't mean better or worse.

409 has a higher iron content and lower chromium content which makes it more likely to rust (at least surface rust). 304 is considered a higher grade of stainless, has lower amounts of iron, and higher chromium content. Just an aside tidbit, 316 is what is used in medical device implants. There is most definitely a better and worse between these, unless you say that the higher cost of 304 or 316 makes them worse than 409. Strength is really irrelevant when you're talking about exhausts...any of these stainless steels are stronger than aluminum which is often used and I hope no one's exhaust tubing is under any kind of severe loads.

Here is a site that talks about the two a bit:

http://www.usdieselparts.com/pages.cfm?ID=130

Looking forward to the post install review/vid :tup:

Unboxing pics added to OP

what are the gains that they claim?

I don't think they've claimed anything. Unfortunately, I have no dyno plans.

The price of these also peaked my interest. Looking forward to the rest.

You are planning on doing a before and after db test right?? Long as the sound difference isnt too dramatic...I am definitly ordering these.

Just a quick db comparison. Stillen CBE alone is 78db inside the car under WOT (A weighting) and 88 db (C weighting). Post-install coming this evening.

the 88db is outside right?

Nope, inside. But it doesn't seem as loud as that suggests. It's also peak loudness for a split second, not sustained. I trust the A weighting for an accurate assessment more than the C weighting. C weighting reads 80+ decibels while cruising and just talking...and the engine/exhaust are barely audible then. I think A is the best loudness representation, so focus on that.

sounds great your exhaust

Thanks alot for taking the time on the write up, sound test and video.

It certainly sounds awesome...but still think I need to hear this rasp/hiss is person to really get a good feel for what it sounds like and if it would/wouldn't bother me.

Based on your write up though... If I decide to go with HFC's I will choose ERZ due to there unbeatable price and seemingly good quality.

Oh no...the popo!!

Could you fill in the question marks… based on your pre and post results I wasn’t clear on the numbers.

Stillin CBE w/ stock exhaust on (A weighting) was ?? db
Stillin CBE w/ ERZ HFC on (A weighting) was ?? db
Stillin CBE w/ stock exhaust on (C weighting) was ?? db
Stillin CBE w/ ERZ HFC on (C weighting) was ?? db


Thanks man!

Stillin CBE w/ stock exhaust on (A weighting) was 78 db
Stillin CBE w/ ERZ HFC on (A weighting) was 88 db
Stillin CBE w/ stock exhaust on (C weighting) was 85 db
Stillin CBE w/ ERZ HFC on (C weighting) was ?? db (have to measure it)

Please note that these are peak levels which were obtained for a split second under WOT acceleration with the windows closed. Routine driving gives readings in the high 60s or low 70s for all of these setups. The HFC with CBE combo is as quiet as the CBE alone when cruising.

While the idea of C weighting seems like the best measure, practical experience seems like it's not accurate. C weighting supposedly measures frequencies below 500Hz which A weighting does not measure. However, just driving along on the highway with a quiet engine gives a reading in the 80s for C weighting. Thus, I don't think it works well for car dB levels. I'd focus on the A weighting levels for the best representation of loudness.

I absolutely love the HFC addition to the Stillen. The loudness is now right where I like it...not too loud, but definitely can turn a head if you drop the hammer. No drone at all and rasp is very tolerable once things have warmed up to operating temperature.

Hope this helps. I know I was on the fence for a long time worrying things would be too over-the-top. I'm glad I gave it a shot.

Thanks for the review SpearFish25, I was hoping someone would pick these up for an install. Quality looks good and the price is even better!

Nice review Fish...Thanks for the info!

+1 for you!

No problem guys. Happy to share some info and the good experience I've had thus far.

By buddy is going to let me borrow his sound meter so I hope to have at minimum a CBE base line comparisons with my Invidia Gemini CBE vs Stillin and then with the ERZ HFC's if I decide to buy them.

thanks for your order.

do you guys plan on doing a resonated HFC? Which cats are you using company wise?

No....THANK YOU, for the great price! :tup: I am excited to have them installed.

we have a resonated test pipe on the way.

we use a OEM catalytic converter manufacturer, they only make catalytic converter and sell to many company in all over the world including some company USA. " So much for Made in USA"

Thats great any time frame and price yet? Im in the hunt. Will the res help stop rasp? Im up for the first set if price is right and do you plan on doing dynos with them?

Great review! If I decide to add HFCs I think I will go with these. Can't pass up $369 shipped with what looks like exceptional quality.

Yeah, thus far I don't regret with choosing the money saving option at all. Excellent quality, easy install, sound good, and butt dyno approved.

still no cels for any ERZ HFCs? Berk seems to get alot and I hope these dont as I am ordering them on monday.

Well, remember that I'm the only person on the forum that actually has these installed (I think). Blue will have them on in a week or so. Given that tons of people have the Berks and a less than a handful have the ERZs, I'm not surprised that no ERZs have thrown a CEL. I've had mine on about 300-400mi without a CEL. Knock on wood.

I believe there is another guy on here that has them installed and I recall reading that he has not thrown any CEL messages.

They will also sell an additional L shaped piece of hardware even if you did so there are no worries to be had.

I have about 250miles now on the ERZ HFC and no CEL light!:tup: And I don't have the extended L anti-foulers installed so seems pretty promising.

Looks like I'm the guinea pig leader with about 600mi on them :driving:

Thanks for the review spearfish :tup: I pulled the trigger on these today. I'll post up some before and after videos as well with the stock cat back.

ehhhhh...stupid snow is holding me up. Its killing me seeing my ERZ's sitting in the box.

Maybe I should get some canned air in the mean time and see how it sounds going through em.....?? :excited:

we have another member just purchase one today, he gonna post sound clips with Stock exhaust.

Did I spoke with you today,

Yup that was me :hello: Really looking forward to these :)

Mine just arrived :) I was looking them over and noticed the entry and exit have a bit of a lip from the inner tubing. Yours look the same in your photo, spearfish. Think it's worth grinding it down a bit to make it a smooth entry and exit? Also the flanges on the entry have a little curve to them but I think they'll be fine once tightened down along with the gaskets. I'll post up some pics in a bit.

P.S. Not trying to take over your thread, spearfish. ERZ said they wanted to try and keep all the info in as few threads as possible ;)