Best headers flow

simking48 · 02-18-2019, 03:17 AM

Hi, I'm about to change the headers/test pipes part of my exhaust. Without considering the cost, does anyone has a feedback about which of these two settings has a better flow rate :

-ISR longtube headers

-Z1 headers + Z1 test pipes

*Z1 doesn't produce anymore longtube Headers...

Spooler · 02-18-2019, 07:59 AM

Z1 has never produced any longtube headers. I have never heard of ISR headers so that should give you a clue about them. If you are looking at long tubes the only 2 on your list should be Fast Intentions and IPP. The search function on here is your friend.

Quicksilvers · 02-18-2019, 09:44 AM

The PPE longtubes headers were the best headers I installed and was quite an improvement. The heat shield is a pain in the rear to get out. The evil bolt is never fun lol. Headers are labor intensive and will take you longer on your first install generally depending on how fast you work but take your time though took me 8 hrs. to install my headers the first time around good luck.

Quicksilvers · 02-18-2019, 09:52 AM

Install headers on our Z’s can be pain staking work.

Rusty · 02-18-2019, 03:38 PM

You want best flow or best power?

There are 3 LTH's. PPE, FI, and Motordyne. Motordyne are the new kids. From the little I have seen from them. They're not bad. I have the FI's.

The right side will take you less then 2 hrs. Depending on you skill level.
As said above. The left side is a PITA. The heat shield can be a PITA. Figure on about 6 hrs.

simking48 · 02-20-2019, 06:36 AM

Sorry for my mistake, I realized that I confused Z1 with Stillen when I said that they don't produce headers anymore, and it was for 350z instead of 370z...

And I though best flow was synonyme of best power ?

So until now, nobody has feedback on the z1 Headers+test pipe vs PPE longtube ?

Thanks for your answers !

NorthStyle · 02-20-2019, 08:42 AM

There was a dyno posted a few years back of the Z1 headers. I don't recall what else was done but it's somewhere in the forum

Rusty · 02-20-2019, 08:52 AM

PPE, FI, Z1, and Motordyne all product power. Each one has it's pro's and con's. No one has done a any testing to see which one is best. Like A vs B vs C.

simking48 · 02-20-2019, 04:39 PM

In fact, Moncef from admin tuning claimed that through all the setting he tested, the PPE are the best, excepted that he never tested on a Dyno a combination of Z1 headers and test pipe. There is a big chance that I'm going to test that out, cause I already got my Z1 test pipes.

chuckie311 · 02-20-2019, 05:30 PM

i can tell you my Results i have Z1 headers with Berk HFC
Baseline with no tune i made 291whp and 233Wtq
After header install 307whp and 237 wtq
Tuned i made 310whp and 243wtq

Ultimate Z1 Header thread

ResIpsa · 02-20-2019, 05:31 PM

Last month I installed solid motor and transmission mounts so I removed my cats and exhaust to give me a little more room to work. While I was there, I thought I might as well do the headers because everything is pretty much off.

Keep in mind I have swaped the motor in my civic and swaped the transmission in my Ford excursion.

I got as far as removing the header heat shields when I realized this just was not worth it. The lack of working space and maniacally sharp heat shields made my hands look like I was a UFC fighter. And to make matters worse, I couldn’t just run with the heat shield removed because they were wedged between the fender and headers. I was forced to reattach them. I lost track of the hours I spent and how much blood I lost.

Spartan 1771 · 02-20-2019, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ResIpsa

Last month I installed solid motor and transmission mounts so I removed my cats and exhaust to give me a little more room to work. While I was there, I thought I might as well do the headers because everything is pretty much off.

Keep in mind I have swaped the motor in my civic and swaped the transmission in my Ford excursion.

I got as far as removing the header heat shields when I realized this just was not worth it. The lack of working space and maniacally sharp heat shields made my hands look like I was a UFC fighter. And to make matters worse, I couldn’t just run with the heat shield removed because they were wedged between the fender and headers. I was forced to reattach them. I lost track of the hours I spent and how much blood I lost.

This is why I plan to have MA Motorsports do this work for me.

Rusty · 02-20-2019, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ResIpsa

Last month I installed solid motor and transmission mounts so I removed my cats and exhaust to give me a little more room to work. While I was there, I thought I might as well do the headers because everything is pretty much off.

Keep in mind I have swaped the motor in my civic and swaped the transmission in my Ford excursion.

I got as far as removing the header heat shields when I realized this just was not worth it. The lack of working space and maniacally sharp heat shields made my hands look like I was a UFC fighter. And to make matters worse, I couldn’t just run with the heat shield removed because they were wedged between the fender and headers. I was forced to reattach them. I lost track of the hours I spent and how much blood I lost.

The driver side heat shield is a ROYAL PITA.

The left side took me 45 minutes to do. The right side 6 hrs. Yeah, my hands looked like and felt like they was in a fight with one very pissed off puty cat.

Rusty · 02-20-2019, 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuckie311

i can tell you my Results i have Z1 headers with Berk HFC
Baseline with no tune i made 291whp and 233Wtq
After header install 307whp and 237 wtq
Tuned i made 310whp and 243wtq

Ultimate Z1 Header thread

Stillen long tube intake, FI LTH, FI cbe, Uprev tune. 334hp/279tor.

ResIpsa · 02-21-2019, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty

The driver side heat shield is a ROYAL PITA.

The left side took me 45 minutes to do. The right side 6 hrs. Yeah, my hands looked like and felt like they was in a fight with one very pissed off puty cat.

There was one good thing to come out of it. At the time had a client who was being Charged with armed robbery. It was a court-appointed case so of course he did not trust me. But when I went to visit with him in jail he looked at my hands and almost gasped. I can’t tell you why, but from that time on he always respected me.

02-18-2019, 03:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
simking48 Base Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Laval Posts: 5 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z B M6 Rep Power: 7	Best headers flow Hi, I'm about to change the headers/test pipes part of my exhaust. Without considering the cost, does anyone has a feedback about which of these two settings has a better flow rate : -ISR longtube headers -Z1 headers + Z1 test pipes *Z1 doesn't produce anymore longtube Headers...

02-18-2019, 07:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 13,834 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684392	Z1 has never produced any longtube headers. I have never heard of ISR headers so that should give you a clue about them. If you are looking at long tubes the only 2 on your list should be Fast Intentions and IPP. The search function on here is your friend. Spartan 1771, jchammond, wideglideleon and 2 others like this. Last edited by Spooler; 02-18-2019 at 11:24 AM.

02-18-2019, 03:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 35,218 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684438	You want best flow or best power? There are 3 LTH's. PPE, FI, and Motordyne. Motordyne are the new kids. From the little I have seen from them. They're not bad. I have the FI's. The right side will take you less then 2 hrs. Depending on you skill level. As said above. The left side is a PITA. The heat shield can be a PITA. Figure on about 6 hrs. Spartan 1771 and NismOrly22 like this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

02-20-2019, 08:52 AM	#8 (permalink)
Rusty Ronin Samurai - Assassin Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky Age: 68 Posts: 35,218 Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M Rep Power: 2684438	PPE, FI, Z1, and Motordyne all product power. Each one has it's pro's and con's. No one has done a any testing to see which one is best. Like A vs B vs C. wideglideleon likes this. __________________ 浪人 - 殺し屋 "The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only" http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

02-20-2019, 05:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
chuckie311 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: las vegas Posts: 313 Drives: Q50/G37 Rep Power: 13	i can tell you my Results i have Z1 headers with Berk HFC Baseline with no tune i made 291whp and 233Wtq After header install 307whp and 237 wtq Tuned i made 310whp and 243wtq Ultimate Z1 Header thread Spartan 1771 likes this. __________________ Tuned by (Seb@Specialty-Z) 2011 G37 Cam'd FBO 347whp 280wtq Corn Fed 4.08 Gears

02-18-2019, 09:44 AM	#3 (permalink)
Quicksilvers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2017 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 2,039 Drives: 2017 370z Rep Power: 25463	The PPE longtubes headers were the best headers I installed and was quite an improvement. The heat shield is a pain in the rear to get out. The evil bolt is never fun lol. Headers are labor intensive and will take you longer on your first install generally depending on how fast you work but take your time though took me 8 hrs. to install my headers the first time around good luck.

02-20-2019, 06:36 AM	#6 (permalink)
simking48 Base Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Laval Posts: 5 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z B M6 Rep Power: 7	Sorry for my mistake, I realized that I confused Z1 with Stillen when I said that they don't produce headers anymore, and it was for 350z instead of 370z... And I though best flow was synonyme of best power ? So until now, nobody has feedback on the z1 Headers+test pipe vs PPE longtube ? Thanks for your answers !

02-20-2019, 08:42 AM	#7 (permalink)
NorthStyle A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Deutschland + SC/FL USA Posts: 1,259 Drives: 2011 370Z Nismo Rep Power: 24277	There was a dyno posted a few years back of the Z1 headers. I don't recall what else was done but it's somewhere in the forum

02-20-2019, 04:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
simking48 Base Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Laval Posts: 5 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z B M6 Rep Power: 7	In fact, Moncef from admin tuning claimed that through all the setting he tested, the PPE are the best, excepted that he never tested on a Dyno a combination of Z1 headers and test pipe. There is a big chance that I'm going to test that out, cause I already got my Z1 test pipes.

02-20-2019, 05:31 PM	#11 (permalink)
ResIpsa Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 564 Drives: 09 RACING HEN Rep Power: 338	Last month I installed solid motor and transmission mounts so I removed my cats and exhaust to give me a little more room to work. While I was there, I thought I might as well do the headers because everything is pretty much off. Keep in mind I have swaped the motor in my civic and swaped the transmission in my Ford excursion. I got as far as removing the header heat shields when I realized this just was not worth it. The lack of working space and maniacally sharp heat shields made my hands look like I was a UFC fighter. And to make matters worse, I couldn’t just run with the heat shield removed because they were wedged between the fender and headers. I was forced to reattach them. I lost track of the hours I spent and how much blood I lost. Spartan 1771, JARblue, DarkJak and 1 others like this. __________________ The Reed Law Firm; Michael Fasano VA Attorney and Counselor at Law: A Virginia Traffic, Criminal, and Family Lawyer.https://reedlawva.com/ Last edited by ResIpsa; 02-20-2019 at 05:35 PM.

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