As of January 1st 2009 all OBDI catalytic converters will be illegal

shumby

As of January 1st 2009 all OBDI catalytic converters will be illegal for sale in the state of California. Period, no if ands or buts, no loop holes.

Bottom line, since magnaflow/carsound is located in California they will not be able to sell the cats to anyone in California. None of their dealers will be able to sell to you if you are in California. Fast Intentions will not be able to sell to you if you are in the state of California. I know it is short notice but if you are in California, you have one day to buy cats. After that good luck.

The good news is the other 49 states in this country do not fall under this law. This is coming down from B.A.R.(Business of Automotive Repair) and CARB.(California Air Resource Board)

I just thought I should put this little bit of information out there for all of you.

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Originally Posted by SAM@GTM
Engine detonation is not normal and it should never never happen, and whoever told that need to do something else for living .
Sam

drmike

Fine, I'll have my company in Texas buy it and ship it to me. No big deal.

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shumby

Ya that is the only way to get around this for you cali boys

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Originally Posted by SAM@GTM
Engine detonation is not normal and it should never never happen, and whoever told that need to do something else for living .
Sam

INTENSEPOWER

Cheaper for them to buy out of state anyway with no taxes due on the product.

Majority of our customers are out of state.

Damn Cali laws keep increasing and getting more strict towards vehicles... teh governator!

xDIEGOx

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dad

You should see the firearms laws! Lots, I mean lots, of gun laws!

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j.arnaldo

(New member re-opening thread What does OBDI stand for, dude? Pardon my ignorance, but I'm sixty, and enjoy driving my Z; still, I'm an ignoramus on some of the acronyms used here. As a humorous note, the 1st time I read "FI", I thought it meant Fuel Injection! Now I know a few: OEM, FI, even LOL! Thanks for your patience with this old man in love with a Zed!

kannibul

Time to get a UPS address in a city outside of CA, and have them auto-ship it to your address in CA

ctzn

On board diagnostics

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j.arnaldo

Thanks, ctzn-man! Now why would CA wanna do something like that? What's the disadvantage they're trying to overcome by banning them?

davidyan

^^

If I recall properly, the actual catalytic converter design on OBD 1 and OBD II are not that different. The difference is not in the converter but in the computer controls monitoring the converter. On OBD II, the ECU is able to detect a failure in a converter and throw on a CEL whereas with OBD I, a failed converter will not be detected. It works as follows:

- On OBD I, the oxygen sensors are placed only before the converter in the exhaust system. It functions to adjust the A/F mixture based on reading the exhaust output.

- On OBD II, it still has the front sensors which are necessary for all computer controlled Fuel Injected cars but in addition to the front sensors, there are also O2 sensors behind the converter. The backend O2 sensors are not used to adjust the A/F like on the front. It compares the "filtered" exhaust air to the pre converter "filtration/gas conversion" reading per the frontend O2 to see if the reading has changed significantly. If it has, the converter is working properly. If the readings on the front and back 02 sensor are similar, this indicates the converter isn't properly converting exhaust gases into less harmful ones and puts on the CEL for converter failure.


Technical issues aside, another change enacted by the new CA requirements is that you can no longer select a converter based on the vehicle size. You have to follow a specific application chart for each car. I'm not sure what criteria has been used in determining the appropriate app.

j.arnaldo

$ounds like some manufacturer got together with local CA politician$, and thought up new ways to obtain more $$$ from car lovers! In case you didn't know, there are only two types of politician$: The bad and the wor$e!

370Zsteve

C.A.R.B. has pretty much been the catalyst (haha, a pun) for every piece of FEDERAL air-quality legislation enacted. Complain if you must, but if there is even an ounce of "green" in your soul....................

Of course I fondly remember the good old days when I could pop the hood of a car and actually work on the damned thing myself.

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SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS.

j.arnaldo

Yeah, I know, necessary evils of modern life. I've seen the smog at Tokyo, Mexico City & other metro' areas, and cats' are necessary. It's just that politician$ and manufacturer$ keep stuffing their bank accounts on us!

370Zsteve

Doesn't Cali have routine emissions checks? Won't they check to see if the proper cats are installed?

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