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I got an 09 370z touring sport. A buddy has an 09 as well. He can no longer afford the car and has to return it to the bank. It has many upgrades. Including coilovers. His car has 30k miles. He wants to trade me his stillen supercharger kit, headers, injectors and ecu, for 1200! In return he keeps my oem stuff. Better than the bank getting it i suppose. The kit has like 20k miles. What exactly must i make sure we remove? He has the new gaskets as well. Do i need new serpentine belts, timing belt etc? He says the kit runs like oem that it even has its own coolant reservoir. Do i also get the fuel pump? Is that inside the gas tank? Also, my big concern is the tune, how can i transfer it? Can i just remove the ecu and plug into mine? If not ill have to pay 900 and take my car towing 400 miles away to get tuned by uprev. Please any suggestionsAttachment 97879

If you go to Stillens website you can download the instruction so you don't miss anything.


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You basically will be getting a 'tuner' kit, which means you will lack the fuel pump & tune probably.
The license for the tune can be transferred to you, but not the specific tune itself. You will need to take your car to a shop and have it tuned.

Use this thread to see what you will recover along with the instruction manual: http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...ouncement.html

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You could probably swap fuel pumps but considering you can get a whole new setup for about $100 it probably isn't worth tearing into the fuel tank.

Are the spark plugs on the Stillen kit upgraded or OEM? Of course at 20k on the kit I would probably recommend a new set of plugs anyway.

I hope you have a lot of free time to make this swap happen.

As an aside - the folks at Stillen have always been really helpful when I called. You might want to give them a call and talk it through with them and get their input.

Well whens he returning it? I would want to try to remove everything and sway the stock stuff back, Maybe take it to a shop and have them do it? I know you trying to save $$$ but if the kits only $1200 even if the swap over cost $2500 you still saving $7200 and not going to miss anything. ( My SC kit total with install was $9700)

A shop will do the install for 600 including the oem parts to his. Injectors as well. So should i get another fuel pump or remove his?im not in a rush i got other cars so dont use tye z alot. The tune can we swap ecus or do i need that cable? We both have 09 touring sport w vdc and s mode.

That's really cheap to do all that labor. I wouldn't swap ecus. Just buy the cable and pull the license off his car. He is going to need his back to stock file to unload the tune

Does anyone have the cable for sure? Do all stillens have uprev? Can someone tell me what the process is to get his tune to my car and put his stock

PM seymore4 -- he can give you the details, but the short version is, you will need your own cable and licence, along with the tunable version of your stock ECU tune (a ROM file), and then have that ROM's set of maps tuned for your car.

Your buddy's map values (though not the ROM file itself) may be usable as a baseline tune, but you need your own cable etc -- you cannot just swap ECU or transfer his flash to your ECU (although you may be able to use his cable and license ... seymore4 will be able to assist.

CORRECTION: jwick is correct -- you can transfer licence and cable if your buddy has one. If not, you'll need to get your own.

Buuutt... if it isn't a tuner cable/licence you'd need to upgrade to that. Also, you will need a BACK TO STOCK ROM for your model ECU. You can search for more details at the Uprev site. You might want to track down a local tuner who is familiar with uprev to assist and advise.

As long as the original guy has the UpRev cable from Stillen then he should be able to pull the license of that car and store it on the cable. The tune itself will not work on another car. All the values as you stated would be correct but the tune itself it ECU dependent. He will either need to get a new tune file from Stillen or pay a tuner to start from scratch.

Take the fuel pump also, and for $600 THATS A STEAL, Mine was $1700! Plus 100% for Seymore Stand up guy! Nothing but great things to say !

Hmm, so if i buy that cable i plug it into his obd port, and plug in a laptop? I then turn it to oem mode somehow, and that puts the tune in the cable? Then i plug the cable into my z and upload it there?

It's not that simple. You will need a 'BacktoStock' file to reflash the ECU to stock parameters. When that action is performed, it stores the license you removed on the cable. Take that cable/license to your tuner and have him tune the car from scratch. That or call Stillen and ask them how much it would cost for them to provide you with the tune file. If they can send you the tune file then you could just flash your ECU yourself at home.

Do tgey have presets like so u can do basic tuning urself.

The Stillen tune is locked. If you buy a full version of Uprev you can tune the car completely from scratch.

Nic3. So stillen uses uprev and has set settings for the kit, no tweaking etc... but if i buy uprev then it can be tuned to whatever even if i go tt later...

Correct. You would have the license and then only have to pay your tuner and dyno time.

DUDE, make sure the shop you take it too is reputable and knows they not working on a civic, that price seems unreal. A supercharger install in Ontario Canada is $2500 tuned. A tune alone is $500 for god sake LOL!

The 600 doesnt include any tunning at all. Just the removal of his kit and the install of my oem on his. Tunning is in albuquerque they said 300 tune, 600 dyno.

How much is the stillen tune and can i do that myself? Can i just buy the tune from uprev and do it myself and tune it without a dyno? Maybe someone here can tell me what their kit is tuned at and i can replicate it

That's not how this works. Even if you receive the tune from Stillen, that's an overly safe base map. No one else will give you a map for a boosted car. That will not work. For maximum engine longevity, you MUST take the car to a professional who will tune it on the dyno. This is not the part of this build where you can be cheap. Buy the Uprev license and take the car to a competent professional tuner.

600$ for all of that?? what do they charge 10$ an hour?

Lol i thought it was cheap too but i know him for 10 years hes done all my work on turbo vws. He installed a big turbo kit w ecu, injectors, fuel pump, manifold, etc for 400 2 years ago.

So i can download uprev myself And any dyno tuner locally can tweak it doesnt have to be uprev certiffied?

If you buy the full version you can hand him your laptop and let him tune it. I wouldn't recommend that. You should take it to someone who has dealt with forced induction on 370s before. Give Uprev a call. They're in Austin.

Taking it to Joe Tuner or your VW guy will likely end up with a new thread titled "Any place to buy a short block super cheap?". You need to do this right. Being cheap will only cause heartache. If paying a good experienced Uprev tuner is too much of a burden, then don't boost the car. Do it right or not at all.

You seem concerned about the money, doing it right will cost far less than doing it wrong and having to replace the engine!

This guy knows what hes doing lol its not like a supercharger is rocket science. Plus with the install manual and already bolted into a car couldnt be too hard to see where things go where...he doesnt tune. Hes built my vws my gti from 180hp to 580whp this year. Sure hes been around vws all his life but a supercharger isnt that hard to do its bolt on. Im just trying to do this right with possibly not having to tow the car 4hrs away.
Thats why the best thing would have been to just swap ecus (if it worked). I get the tune that came with his kit.

Do u guys with the kit change the clutch out? Doesnt seem like the stillen makes that much more hp from what ive read 420+?

He wanted to buy an Amuse get for under 1,000 (replica), going cheap on boost with the 370z is a costly mistake as we have seen before.
Either pony up to do it right or end up doing it twice for 3 times as much.

Now I am not saying you cannot cut cost on certain things, maybe DIY install or find a reasonable shop do the install. When it comes to items such as the tune, pay some who knows the 370z AND Uprev software, or else you will end up with a blown motor and really feel the money pitfall.

http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...ion-noobs.html

You need to go read through this thread.
No one is saying installing a SC is technically difficult, many have done it in their own garages, but you sound like you are trying to cut corners and find the "cheap" route to boost on this car. That does not end well, and will end up costing you more in the future unless you invest a little up front.

Its not the money for the last time. I just dobt want to tow it to another city, stay a few days...atleast right now im pretty busy.

Another ?....
What happens to his car, if i d9nt get his tune wont he have a tune on an oem car lol

Wut?

Since you can't switch ecus, your best option is to purchase an uprev license and take the car to a knowledgeable 370z tuner. The VQ37 has some wrinkles to it that are different than other motors.


You won't get his tune. He will go back to his stock tune.

Plus if you read my original question, my concern was swapping the kit from a tuned car to mine. Thats not being cheap thats doing a direct swap....

I feel like this is going in circles.

OP, your 'buddy' needs to return his car completely to stock. Then with his uprev license load the factory tune back in.

At this point he can transfer the Uprev license to you and Uprev can unlock the license to work on your car (the license is tied to the ECU).

Guess ill have the swap done here and then tow it to that place. My only question now is what happens to his car its not like the tune will notice its not supercharged anymore and go to oem...the next buyer of that car will mess it up right? It will have a sc tune on it

"Direct swap" is not really possible.
Parts can be unbolted from his car to yours, but there are items you will need to change. Injectors will probably need to be new, spark plugs, fuel pump, possibly new belts for the SC unit, new fluid will be required.

No. As I said before, his car will have the stock tune on it. That's an option he has with the cable Stillen supplies with the kit.

you have a lot of patience... next time i need help with something i'll make sure to bother you :rofl2:

Lol i apreciate the help guys...

He doesnt have the cable. If i take it to that uprev dealer i would get the tune and dyno there. I wouldnt mess with his programming which is why im saying wouldnt that mess his car up.

Injectors after 15k miles?

Anyone know what kind of belts i would need as well as fuel pump? Does stillen sell this seperate?