EFI safety switch

Jordo! · 11-27-2014, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommyguns

I would like to set it so that the system is active but won't spray until I reach 3rd gear and beyond.

I think you can approximate that by load if they can't access a gear dependent map -- the ECU monitors gear if you have either SRM or AT. They might be able to set it up if there's an ECU wire they can tap.

If not, you'd need something like this -- maybe exactly this: http://www.jegs.com/InstallationInst.../249-82085.pdf.

gbrettin · 11-27-2014, 04:57 PM

Tommy - how much spray are you planning to run?

tommyguns · 11-27-2014, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gbrettin

Tommy - how much spray are you planning to run?

Like most, starting at 75.

tommyguns · 11-27-2014, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo!

I think you can approximate that by load if they can't access a gear dependent map -- the ECU monitors gear if you have either SRM or AT. They might be able to set it up if there's an ECU wire they can tap.

If not, you'd need something like this -- maybe exactly this: http://www.jegs.com/InstallationInst.../249-82085.pdf.

Ok, I understand, which is a miracle in itself when it comes to wiring. The Zex unit would have been ideal, but they don't make it anymore and I searched for days and couldn't even find a used one, so I went with the MSD rpm switch.

Jordo! · 11-28-2014, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommyguns

Ok, I understand, which is a miracle in itself when it comes to wiring. The Zex unit would have been ideal, but they don't make it anymore and I searched for days and couldn't even find a used one, so I went with the MSD rpm switch.

Huh. That sucks

Actually, now that I think about it, load (or TPS), engine speed, road speed, and knowledge of how that breaks down for each gear will give you the values to plug into whatever window switch device you use, so this can definitely be done with the right controller

LNATKFRNG · 12-10-2014, 09:42 PM

Zex window switch just counts the number of times rpm hits ur upper shut off rpm before it will engage at lower limit 3rd gear spray would be upper limit reached twice then its on does mad not make a "skip shift"?

tommyguns · 12-10-2014, 11:23 PM

Boy I wish I could get my hands on one of those Zex switches!

Jordo! · 12-11-2014, 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tommyguns

Boy I wish I could get my hands on one of those Zex switches!

Are you sure no one has any in stock?

I got a bunch of hits googling the p/n -- it might be worth calling around to see if anyone has it in their inventory.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/zex-82085

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tommyguns · 12-11-2014, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo!

Are you sure no one has any in stock?

I got a bunch of hits googling the p/n -- it might be worth calling around to see if anyone has it in their inventory.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/zex-82085

ZEX Traction Control Window Switch (79-12 All) at AmericanMuscle.com - Discontinued

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Hey Jordo,
I called and searched everywhere and the only guy that has one is RPM outlet and wants $400.00 for it

. I'm not so desperate that I'm willing to pay double. I do appreciate the help!

Figures, they were the only one I DIDN'T call because of the price, they have two!!! Now I sit here trying to decide, send back the MSD digital and bite the bullet and succumb to their demands!

SouthArk370Z · 12-11-2014, 12:03 PM

Does it have to be a ZEX? A quick web search shows that MSD and NOS make one.

tommyguns · 12-11-2014, 12:36 PM

Those are both good choices, there in line with the MSD that I'm planning on using. http://www.msdignition.com/Products/...ow_Switch.aspx
The problem is, I'm looking for a skip shift function. The Zex allows you to do that. I can have it set on the line but won't spray until second gear.
I just called RPM Outlet again and tried to talk him down, no chance! They specialize in finding out of stock items and then mark them up for a huge profit. I'm all for making a profit but.....
SH!T this sucks, do I spend another $250.00 for that option. That's my AFR gauge out the window!

SouthArk370Z · 12-11-2014, 12:48 PM

Do you have any friends/acquaintances that could build one for you or modify one of the existing units? It should be a fairly simple analog circuit - comparators for the window function and a counter for the skip-shift. Digital should be just as easy to design/build ( but more expensive) and have the benefit of a decent UI.

Edit: If the MT knows what gear it is in, you may be able to tap into that, but that would probably involve an OBD interface.

tommyguns · 12-11-2014, 12:59 PM

I may be able to reach out to some members on another forum that I belong to, there always making control boards and usb devices, I'll give them a shot.

Jordo! · 12-11-2014, 07:59 PM

The skip-shift thing sounds like a pretty great feature.

I think if you can't get the Zex one at a reasonable price (or at all) I think definitely see if you can find or build another traction control type device to use and then just return or sell off the standard controller you have now.

tommyguns · 12-11-2014, 08:14 PM

Hey Jordo and South, I reached out to Randy at Leash Electronics and asked him to try and duplicate it. No go, he also thought it was a great feature. No response from the other forum. So I guess I'm going to bite the bullet and drop the $400.00 for it, it's killing me

to do it, but it's exactly what I'm looking for in a simple solution.

12-10-2014, 09:42 PM	#21 (permalink)
LNATKFRNG Base Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Ocala Posts: 158 Drives: 370z pearl white Rep Power: 12	Zex window switch just counts the number of times rpm hits ur upper shut off rpm before it will engage at lower limit 3rd gear spray would be upper limit reached twice then its on does mad not make a "skip shift"? __________________ '09 sport package

12-10-2014, 11:23 PM	#22 (permalink)
tommyguns Track Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: New York Age: 65 Posts: 914 Drives: 370Z/Sport/Black/MT Rep Power: 17	Boy I wish I could get my hands on one of those Zex switches! __________________ 09 Sport / MB / 6sd / Nismo"R" Intake / Eibach Pro Kit / Z1 25 row cooler / JWT LW FW / New Short Block 3/11/11 /H&R 15fr 20rr/DBA 4000/FI CB with 12"res./Morel/JL/"Division"mod/SPC/EcuTek/M370/ZEX C SHOT/ART's/NRG

12-11-2014, 12:03 PM	#25 (permalink)
SouthArk370Z Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 8,435 Drives: 2014 Challenger Rep Power: 324198	Does it have to be a ZEX? A quick web search shows that MSD and NOS make one. tommyguns likes this. __________________ Steering Lock Links - Search The370Z Bookmarklet - FSM @ NICOclub Mankind has progressed past the need for war but we haven't evolved that far. - NachoMahma

12-11-2014, 12:36 PM	#26 (permalink)
tommyguns Track Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: New York Age: 65 Posts: 914 Drives: 370Z/Sport/Black/MT Rep Power: 17	Those are both good choices, there in line with the MSD that I'm planning on using. http://www.msdignition.com/Products/...ow_Switch.aspx The problem is, I'm looking for a skip shift function. The Zex allows you to do that. I can have it set on the line but won't spray until second gear. I just called RPM Outlet again and tried to talk him down, no chance! They specialize in finding out of stock items and then mark them up for a huge profit. I'm all for making a profit but..... SH!T this sucks, do I spend another $250.00 for that option. That's my AFR gauge out the window! __________________ 09 Sport / MB / 6sd / Nismo"R" Intake / Eibach Pro Kit / Z1 25 row cooler / JWT LW FW / New Short Block 3/11/11 /H&R 15fr 20rr/DBA 4000/FI CB with 12"res./Morel/JL/"Division"mod/SPC/EcuTek/M370/ZEX C SHOT/ART's/NRG

12-11-2014, 12:48 PM	#27 (permalink)
SouthArk370Z Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 8,435 Drives: 2014 Challenger Rep Power: 324198	Do you have any friends/acquaintances that could build one for you or modify one of the existing units? It should be a fairly simple analog circuit - comparators for the window function and a counter for the skip-shift. Digital should be just as easy to design/build ( but more expensive) and have the benefit of a decent UI. Edit: If the MT knows what gear it is in, you may be able to tap into that, but that would probably involve an OBD interface. __________________ Steering Lock Links - Search The370Z Bookmarklet - FSM @ NICOclub Mankind has progressed past the need for war but we haven't evolved that far. - NachoMahma Last edited by SouthArk370Z; 12-11-2014 at 12:54 PM.

11-27-2014, 04:57 PM	#17 (permalink)
gbrettin A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Portage, MI Posts: 2,283 Drives: Tricycle Rep Power: 589151	Tommy - how much spray are you planning to run?

12-11-2014, 12:59 PM	#28 (permalink)
tommyguns Track Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: New York Age: 65 Posts: 914 Drives: 370Z/Sport/Black/MT Rep Power: 17	I may be able to reach out to some members on another forum that I belong to, there always making control boards and usb devices, I'll give them a shot. __________________ 09 Sport / MB / 6sd / Nismo"R" Intake / Eibach Pro Kit / Z1 25 row cooler / JWT LW FW / New Short Block 3/11/11 /H&R 15fr 20rr/DBA 4000/FI CB with 12"res./Morel/JL/"Division"mod/SPC/EcuTek/M370/ZEX C SHOT/ART's/NRG

12-11-2014, 07:59 PM	#29 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 418	The skip-shift thing sounds like a pretty great feature. I think if you can't get the Zex one at a reasonable price (or at all) I think definitely see if you can find or build another traction control type device to use and then just return or sell off the standard controller you have now. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it.

12-11-2014, 08:14 PM	#30 (permalink)
tommyguns Track Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: New York Age: 65 Posts: 914 Drives: 370Z/Sport/Black/MT Rep Power: 17	Hey Jordo and South, I reached out to Randy at Leash Electronics and asked him to try and duplicate it. No go, he also thought it was a great feature. No response from the other forum. So I guess I'm going to bite the bullet and drop the $400.00 for it, it's killing me to do it, but it's exactly what I'm looking for in a simple solution. __________________ 09 Sport / MB / 6sd / Nismo"R" Intake / Eibach Pro Kit / Z1 25 row cooler / JWT LW FW / New Short Block 3/11/11 /H&R 15fr 20rr/DBA 4000/FI CB with 12"res./Morel/JL/"Division"mod/SPC/EcuTek/M370/ZEX C SHOT/ART's/NRG

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