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JWillis72 09-24-2014 10:58 AM

E85 with a Stillen supercharger?
 
Anyone tried E85 with a Stillen supercharger? If so how did it do? My tuner has been wanting to do a E85 tune on my car and I'm thinking we may do it after the CJM fuel system goes in the car. I tried to search for it but didn't find anything.

theDreamer 09-24-2014 11:03 AM

You would be the first known one on the forum. I would inquire with stillen maybe if they have done an in house one also possibly.
DMhenderson has a GTM kit and is finishing up an e85 tune on his GTM SC kit currently but still waiting on final results.

ANMVQ 09-24-2014 11:05 AM

You would, I haven't seen that yet :)

Chuck33079 09-24-2014 11:06 AM

Would you be putting a smaller pulley on to take advantage of the E85? If you can't run more boost I'm not sure how much more you'll get out of it. Do you have enough headroom in your injectors and fuel system?

theDreamer 09-24-2014 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2976813)
Would you be putting a smaller pulley on to take advantage of the E85? If you can't run more boost I'm not sure how much more you'll get out of it. Do you have enough headroom in your injectors and fuel system?

From what DM has shown the injectors & pump have to get bumped up. I would imagine that increase in HP will be minor, say from 400 to 420 at most, will allow a little extra timing and push everything a bit farther. Squeeze out that last little bit of power.

Then again, I could be wrong and e85 might be an amazing addition to our SC systems and add an additional 50HP by just switching fuels.

Chuck33079 09-24-2014 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2976818)
From what DM has shown the injectors & pump have to get bumped up. I would imagine that increase in HP will be minor, say from 400 to 420 at most, will allow a little extra timing and push everything a bit farther. Squeeze out that last little bit of power.

Then again, I could be wrong and e85 might be an amazing addition to our SC systems and add an additional 50HP by just switching fuels.

I don't think you're going to be wrong. My wild *** guess is that the best part of it for SC, particularly for Stillen guys, is the fact that it burns much cooler. And it would provide a little extra safety margin.

JWillis72 09-24-2014 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2976825)
I don't think you're going to be wrong. My wild *** guess is that the best part of it for SC, particularly for Stillen guys, is the fact that it burns much cooler. And it would provide a little extra safety margin.

This is mainly my reason for trying it. My injectors are in the 80s so I may not have enough, does E85 take a lot more fuel? I do plan on upgrading the pulley but I'm going to wait for it to come with the upgrade kit from Stillen.

TopgunZ 09-24-2014 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2976825)
I don't think you're going to be wrong. My wild *** guess is that the best part of it for SC, particularly for Stillen guys, is the fact that it burns much cooler. And it would provide a little extra safety margin.

Totally second this. :iagree: I used E85 on my 350z stillen, roots blower style, for the sole purpose of the cooling affect, and the little timing advance. If you know anything about that roots stillen setup, people were always crying for more power and we were trying to do anything we could to dig for the extra few ponies. It always fell on its face after 5,200 rpms because it started blowing so hot when we had it maxed out. Not sure of the temps of the centrifugal style stillen on the 370. I have a air temp sensor for sale! :rolleyes:

I would say you could get more. How much is the pioneer work you need to do. I think it would be a noticeable gain. But cost per dollar might not be as keen.

TopgunZ 09-24-2014 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 2976849)
This is mainly my reason for trying it. My injectors are in the 80s so I may not have enough, does E85 take a lot more fuel? I do plan on upgrading the pulley but I'm going to wait for it to come with the upgrade kit from Stillen.

You will absolutely need larger injectors or your motor will run lean and....boom.

I have some ID1000's for sale. :rolleyes: Lol.

JWillis72 09-24-2014 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 2976810)
You would, I haven't seen that yet :)

My car is also the fist CJM fuel system Punk has built for a Stillen supercharger:tup:

Chuck33079 09-24-2014 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 2976849)
does E85 take a lot more fuel?

Oh yeah. If you're even in the neighborhood of maxing out your injectors, budget new ones into the plan. You need what, 30% more E85 than pump gas?

TopgunZ 09-24-2014 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 2976855)
My car is also the fist CJM fuel system Punk has built for a Stillen supercharger:tup:

Sweet! Then just drop in some larger injectors and you will be set! What size are you running right now?

TopgunZ 09-24-2014 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2976861)
Oh yeah. If you're even in the neighborhood of maxing out your injectors, budget new ones into the plan. You need what, 30% more E85 than pump gas?

30% seems to be the standard. But I was running 1000's on E with 500+to the wheels without a return system.

JWillis72 09-24-2014 11:36 AM

I believe they are 750s. I guess if I need to change the injectors I will most likely wait for the Stillen upgrade kit and do it all at the same time. I was hoping to get away from my Aquamist HFS-3 that has been a pain in the butt.

Chuck33079 09-24-2014 11:37 AM

I seriously doubt 750s will work.


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