Coolers for forced induction

Nismo6972 · 08-30-2014, 11:36 AM

I am in the process of setting my car up for an SC (Tuner) somewhere down the road. JWT clutch is in, along with HD CSC, and have a 19 row oil cooler, which will be swapped to a 30 row. I am also going to the CSF triple pass radiator/condenser. My question is, will I need to add a Trans cooler, and brake cooler? Oil pan spacer for more volume? I don't track much, but that may change in the near future.
What other recommendations are there?

Thanks in advance

S

Infidel · 08-30-2014, 12:37 PM

My biggest recommendation is to have enough cash for a rebuild if your motor grenades....as me how I know.

Nuc370z · 08-30-2014, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Nismo6972

I am in the process of setting my car up for an SC (Tuner) somewhere down the road. JWT clutch is in, along with HD CSC, and have a 19 row oil cooler, which will be swapped to a 30 row. I am also going to the CSF triple pass radiator/condenser. My question is, will I need to add a Trans cooler, and brake cooler? Oil pan spacer for more volume? I don't track much, but that may change in the near future.
What other recommendations are there?

Thanks in advance

S

What type of transmission do you have? Manual transmissions are dry, so they can't be cooled. For brakes, are you talking about the Stillen air ducts? If you are, I would recommend it for heavy track use, but if it is mainly DD, then would not be worth it, just upgraded brakes or at least brake pads. Oil pan spacer is a plus, but you could also add a power steering cooler if you really needed to or a differential cover (the nismo editions have it to keep the differential temperatures cool so they don't "burn").

Nismo6972 · 08-30-2014, 08:48 PM

What happened?

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Originally Posted by Infidel

My biggest recommendation is to have enough cash for a rebuild if your motor grenades....as me how I know.

Infidel · 08-30-2014, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nismo6972

What happened?

My motor grenaded.

JWillis72 · 08-30-2014, 09:34 PM

Did you ever get the car up and running?

BGTV8 · 08-31-2014, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Nuc370z

What type of transmission do you have? Manual transmissions are dry, so they can't be cooled. For brakes, are you talking about the Stillen air ducts? If you are, I would recommend it for heavy track use, but if it is mainly DD, then would not be worth it, just upgraded brakes or at least brake pads. Oil pan spacer is a plus, but you could also add a power steering cooler if you really needed to or a differential cover (the nismo editions have it to keep the differential temperatures cool so they don't "burn").

And here was me thinking all these years that a manual transmission had oil in it ... and that it might need cooling if subjected to extreme duty.

Seems I was wrong .....

Nuc370z · 08-31-2014, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by BGTV8

And here was me thinking all these years that a manual transmission had oil in it ... and that it might need cooling if subjected to extreme duty.

Seems I was wrong .....

Sorry about this mistake. D: manual transmissions do have fluid in them, but there aren't any coolers for the manual transmissions. They rarely go to unsafe temperatures even when abused.

Infidel · 08-31-2014, 11:01 AM

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Did you ever get the car up and running?

Nope...not yet. Still working on it, waiting for Weisco pistons to show up.

Chuck33079 · 08-31-2014, 11:02 AM

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Nope...not yet. Still working on it, waiting for Weisco pistons to show up.

Is VSR building the motor? I can't remember how you left it with them.

Nismo6972 · 08-31-2014, 12:58 PM

That's horrible. That's the state of a lot of shops nowadays. Charge top dollar for crap, then admit to nothing, blame it on something else, and keep taking peoples money.
I am lucky that I have a great shop. I know heaps of people that go there, and I have had to go in a couple times (My wife too) to sort a couple things, and they did...at no extra charge. I also saw a build they did on I think a GT500, and the motor grenaded. Seems there was a drop in communication between the manuf. and the shop. Bottom line is...they sorted the car for the owner at their expense. In my book, that's top notch, and that's why people keep coming back. In a good world, it can be profitable for everyone. My car gets tricked out as promised, and they continue drawing more business.
I hope it all comes together, and you get over the hump.

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My motor grenaded.

Arrvaxx · 08-31-2014, 01:19 PM

I am of the mind that cooler is, with the exception of start up, always better. The lubricants we use in each of the parts you mentioned break down when heated.

Think about boiling water. Ever notice that there is a progression to full boil? That is because some molecules will react to heat at a lower temperature (the boiling point we all toss around is actually an average temperature for the liquid not an absolute). The same is true with lubricants. Every time you heat your lubricant some of it breaks down. That is why an engine oil that is never stressed still breaks down. Over time contaminates change the temperature that such things occur.

My point is that there is no reason not to use coolers even in daily driving. It is just that your return on investment is different and thus for most not worth the time, expense, and effort.

With that in mind if you don't track your car or regularly drive it hard and change your fluids as recommended the only thing you really need to invest in is an oil cooler. Sounds like you are doing that so right on.

*Edit: Sorry reread your original post. If you are going to track the car then yes, invest in a larger oil pan and Nismo diff cover. You should also put in a power steering cooler. Most people seem to forget about that fluid and don't change it...then it boils. Brake cooling could save your life on a track but more importantly remember to change the fluid before every event so that you are operating in the 'dry' boil point.

djtodd · 09-01-2014, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nuc370z

Sorry about this mistake. D: manual transmissions do have fluid in them, but there aren't any coolers for the manual transmissions. They rarely go to unsafe temperatures even when abused.

Actually they do get really hot at the track. I am considering adding a second core beside my diff cooler for the trans, purely for longevity.

For the op, I wouldn't worry about the trans cooler at first unless you really beat on it at the track a lot. I would get at least a 34 row oil cooler, and highly recommend the csf triple pass rad. A vented hood is also a very good idea if you can swing it.

And brake cooling...sweet baby Jesus brake cooling.

Rangerz · 09-01-2014, 07:31 PM

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sweet baby Jesus brake cooling.

Woohaaaaaa....break cooling nismo break cooling

djtodd · 09-01-2014, 07:35 PM

Yes my precious!

08-30-2014, 11:36 AM	#1 (permalink)
Nismo6972 Base Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Katy, Tx Posts: 54 Drives: 2010 370Z Nismo Rep Power: 12	Coolers for forced induction I am in the process of setting my car up for an SC (Tuner) somewhere down the road. JWT clutch is in, along with HD CSC, and have a 19 row oil cooler, which will be swapped to a 30 row. I am also going to the CSF triple pass radiator/condenser. My question is, will I need to add a Trans cooler, and brake cooler? Oil pan spacer for more volume? I don't track much, but that may change in the near future. What other recommendations are there? Thanks in advance S __________________ 436WHP:Stillen SC/Z1 34 row oil cooler/CSF triple pass/UPREV/Stillen sways/SPC/JWT clutch combo/HD CSC/Samco hoses/Amuse Rep/AeroJacket CFVF/HR Spacers/FI NR Exhaust & NR HFC's Last edited by Nismo6972; 08-30-2014 at 11:37 AM. Reason: additions

08-30-2014, 12:37 PM	#2 (permalink)
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08-31-2014, 01:19 PM	#12 (permalink)
Arrvaxx A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Whore Island, MN Posts: 1,243 Drives: 40th F.I. Twin Turbo Rep Power: 18	I am of the mind that cooler is, with the exception of start up, always better. The lubricants we use in each of the parts you mentioned break down when heated. Think about boiling water. Ever notice that there is a progression to full boil? That is because some molecules will react to heat at a lower temperature (the boiling point we all toss around is actually an average temperature for the liquid not an absolute). The same is true with lubricants. Every time you heat your lubricant some of it breaks down. That is why an engine oil that is never stressed still breaks down. Over time contaminates change the temperature that such things occur. My point is that there is no reason not to use coolers even in daily driving. It is just that your return on investment is different and thus for most not worth the time, expense, and effort. With that in mind if you don't track your car or regularly drive it hard and change your fluids as recommended the only thing you really need to invest in is an oil cooler. Sounds like you are doing that so right on. Edit: Sorry reread your original post. If you are going to track the car then yes, invest in a larger oil pan and Nismo diff cover. You should also put in a power steering cooler. Most people seem to forget about that fluid and don't change it...then it boils. Brake cooling could save your life on a track but more importantly remember to change the fluid before every event so that you are operating in the 'dry' boil point. Nismo6972 and Rangerz like this. __________________ 2010 370Z 40th Anniversary (#480 born 1/19/2010) Fast Intentions Twin Turbo \| Varis Arising II \| Limited Edition Recaro Sportster \| Tuned by Specialty Z \| 604hp 525 torque @14lbs boost on 100 octane Last edited by Arrvaxx; 08-31-2014 at 01:25 PM.*

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