My 5k budget mid mount turbo build

BBRSpeedWorks · 09-28-2014, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance

The SP (anti surge cover) was implemented on the BT twin scroll kit mid February of 2013 on my own car, a 350Z:

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Just sayn'n.

As for the reference to the JTran kit, which is a twin scroll kit, I did not copy it.

Compare the manifold pipe routing of that kit to my:

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The turbo location is shared, but the primary and very important design difference is the equal length primaries on the BP manifolds, which separates the two kits. They also made the passenger side primary go over top of the transmission, which again is very different from a design point of view.

As far as the whole "mid-mount" turbo stuff goes...the term wasn't even around till I started with the very first kit (which was a true mid-mount since it was right in the middle of the car) on my own 350z back in 2009

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And again I say buy all means it's u and yes you did it first on 350z and I was the first one that did it on a 370z just saying...and yes I went with ur style of manifold but I changed the fact I'm not going to run a flex pipe so I don't run it all the weight on one side of my headers (yes I know about thermal expanson). I went with my charge pipe the way you did but I did be4 u released your version 2 by about 4 months and my manifold and turbo can charge pipe seats about a inch higher there yours as my kit the sub frame is the lowest point of the car. My charge pipe and turbo don't make knocking noises like ur kit does(3 of ur customers have pm and said publicly) my kit runs a intake off the turbo to behind the bumper. So because I built the same style manifold as you
(equal length primaries)I'm copied you. But I ran anti surge housing first (on the 370z) ran the charge piping first (on the 370z) and 3in charge pipes I copied you....I built ur V2 kit be4 you thought about it...so I guess we share the same style manifold but mine is solid. As for the term mid mount I'm glad u made. Cuz it was it was a great idea. And once I give you props and I'm not trying to start a war but as for the 370z goes I did it my style I know you did somethings on the 350z but that's a different car. Last time I checked I we r on the370z.com and I own a 370z so I think I'm good...I well be releasing this kit once the R&D is done and I talk to AK and being sponsor of this great forum and I well beat your price by 1500 dollars and add a fuel return....as far as people thinking I copied every aspect. There is a million ways to skin a cat I did it this way. I'm sorry I copied a version of ur kit that your that you didn't have out yet...congrats to you being the King of mid mount turbos....but I'm not going away anytime soon..

BBRSpeedWorks · 09-28-2014, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dragonbreath

I think you are taking offense where offense shouldn't be taken. Sasha is saying that rather than try to make a kit based off of an existing design, he decided to go another route and design his kit based off of his preferences. He looked at the issues with the existing turbo kits on the 350z, and tried to rectify those by building one that didn't have those issues, and by building something that was more DIY friendly. At the time twin turbo kits dominated the market and we all know how to install those lol. They aren't something that your average enthusiast is willing to install by themselves. I don't think he is talking down or taking shots at you. I could be wrong though. I'm not trying to speak for the man lol.

Also if I remember correctly, JTrans kit was made after Boosted Performances.

Maybe I did I'm not sure but I busted my *** on this for someone to say it's there and I copied it when the version I made was just an idea to him. I never said I made the kit off just my idea and I gave props to BP from the beginning I think I made key changes and went a different route (be4 he released his version 2) and made it better. But it's whatever i said 100 times I'm not trying to start a war. I want to show what i did and I pretty sure I started with just a bunch of metal and fabricated everything with my hands. I have never seen his kit in person. I know I'm the new guy and no one is going to side with me but that's fine I didn't make it where I did in the army worrying about what people think of me. I'm sorry BP if I over reacted to the situation at hand and/or copied your idea's. This thread is about my build so from now on I won't be responding to any other post of the topic off MY build.

MidnightBlueZ · 09-28-2014, 03:28 PM

In the words of Nelly... It's getting hot in hurrrrrrr

Boosted Performance · 09-28-2014, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BBRSpeedWorks

And again I say buy all means it's u and yes you did it first on 350z and I was the first one that did it on a 370z just saying...and yes I went with ur style of manifold but I changed the fact I'm not going to run a flex pipe so I don't run it all the weight on one side of my headers (yes I know about thermal expanson). I went with my charge pipe the way you did but I did be4 u released your version 2 by about 4 months and my manifold and turbo can charge pipe seats about a inch higher there yours as my kit the sub frame is the lowest point of the car. My charge pipe and turbo don't make knocking noises like ur kit does(3 of ur customers have pm and said publicly) my kit runs a intake off the turbo to behind the bumper. So because I built the same style manifold as you
(equal length primaries)I'm copied you. But I ran anti surge housing first (on the 370z) ran the charge piping first (on the 370z) and 3in charge pipes I copied you....I built ur V2 kit be4 you thought about it...so I guess we share the same style manifold but mine is solid. As for the term mid mount I'm glad u made. Cuz it was it was a great idea. And once I give you props and I'm not trying to start a war but as for the 370z goes I did it my style I know you did somethings on the 350z but that's a different car. Last time I checked I we r on the370z.com and I own a 370z so I think I'm good...I well be releasing this kit once the R&D is done and I talk to AK and being sponsor of this great forum and I well beat your price by 1500 dollars and add a fuel return....as far as people thinking I copied every aspect. There is a million ways to skin a cat I did it this way. I'm sorry I copied a version of ur kit that your that you didn't have out yet...congrats to you being the King of mid mount turbos....but I'm not going away anytime soon..

Hmmm...didn't know about all these apparent problems with my kit.

As far as I know, one customer had an issue with the driver side manifold pipe being very close to the under side of the transmission. I gave him some advice on what he could do, and if that doesn't work he can send the manifold back for repair..at no cost to him of course. I stand behind all my products.

The OEM header bolt holes are about 1/16" larger (diameter) than the studs/bolts, so it is possible that even OEM headers don't sit in the exact same location on each car. It all depends on how they were installed at the factory...and I have seen this myself. That 1/16" can drastically change the placement of the turbo once the manifold bolts up. As a result the manifold has to have a +/- on the clearance tolerances...but of course this type of knowledge comes from years of experience on this particular platform. This means that there is always a small chance that any piece of any kit may be closer to something on the car than the manufacturer intended. There is some free advice for you.

There was another that had the IC pipe issue, but as far as I know that was resolved by adjusting the couplers a bit.

As for $1,500 cheaper...I'd love to see it. If I was to send all my stuff to China and get it build there....I still don't think I would be able to sell the kit for $5,700 ($1,500 less than it is now, as you have suggested) because at the end of the day, it would essentially be a loss.

I am sorry but it is clear that you have never put a complete kit together, and understand the actual cost/time/effort necessary to do so. No offence, but you have to go through the whole process before you start throwing out statements and $ figures like that. Also, remember that I have no overhead AT ALL. No employees, no sales people, no rental space, no extra bills and the price is what it is because it is not cheap to put one of these kits together.

All the little stuff adds up in a hurry. fitting, taps, drill bits, oil lines, thermostat, zip ties, oil filter, oil pan spacer, scavenge pump relay harness, fuel pump relay harness, manual printing, vacuum lines, argon gas (especially when you back purge the pipes like I do), cutting discs...ect.

EDIT: As I am putting these manifold together here I was thinking....if you can build these and sell them for $1,500 less than me, I think we can do business. I will buy them all from you at that price....provided the quality meets my specs of course.

zguynate · 09-28-2014, 05:22 PM

Haha I'm not "siding" with anyone. Everyone who has posted here has given you handclaps. I do congratulate you for your efforts. Better than me, otherwise I wouldn't have a BP kit. I'd have a Dragonbreath kit haha. But Im not a welder nor do I have the time to learn or design a kit, that's why I did go with a BP kit. I have followed BP since his user name was BoostedProbe on the 350z forums lol. I was sold back then.

Back on topic, you mentioned Z Nationals. I plan on attending. If you go im sure I'll meet you there. When are you planning on getting tuned?

valpozguy · 09-28-2014, 05:33 PM

I will be there as well, would love to meet all of you guys.

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zguynate · 09-28-2014, 05:40 PM

We should all have shirts made with our usernames on it so we know who everyone is lol.

BBRSpeedWorks · 09-28-2014, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance

As for $1,500 cheaper...I'd love to see it. If I was to send all my stuff to China and get it build there....I still don't think I would be able to sell the kit for $5,700 ($1,500 less than it is now, as you have suggested) because at the end of the day, it would essentially be a loss.

I am sorry but it is clear that you have never put a complete kit together, and understand the actual cost/time/effort necessary to do so. No offence, but you have to go through the whole process before you start throwing out statements and $ figures like that. Also, remember that I have no overhead AT ALL. No employees, no sales people, no rental space, no extra bills and the price is what it is because it is not cheap to put one of these kits together.

All the little stuff adds up in a hurry. fitting, taps, drill bits, oil lines, thermostat, zip ties, oil filter, oil pan spacer, scavenge pump relay harness, fuel pump relay harness, manual printing, vacuum lines, argon gas (especially when you back purge the pipes like I do), cutting discs...ect.

1. $1500.00 cheaper is easy i spent $5600 on mine and thats the BB turbo, fuel return,1000cc, 750cc injectors, clutch and enough stainless steel and aluminum that i built 5 different manifold and 2 complete sets of charge pipes. so i'm 150% sure i can build it for less. i can post a price list if you would like cuz yes i have every price from my build. as far as everything that is on the car right now nothing extra you can drop the price another 1k.

2. for you statment saying i have never put a complete kit together. i kno i have seen ur name at the bottom of my thread pretty offen and my kit is complete and driving (just waiting on a dyno time from Z1)and for understand the actual cost/time/effort necessary to build yes i do cuz i built it. working 80hrs a week going to feild for 30days at a time i'm a E-6 in the ARMY you can look up how much i make it's not much thats y i didnt buy any other kits and i could do it for cheaper. my kit is built its here if you would like i can post a video everyday i drive to work and run the hell out of it. but it's not made up. ur acting like my car is not running the streets and i'm prtty sure i designed cahrge pipes that have posted the lowest maf readings yet on a z at 10.5psi..i'm not a rookie at building cars. i can show tons of cars i have built this was my first custom turbo kit...

3. Yes stuff adds up i know...but it's not that bad when plan out something so long and add in extra cost that's the reason i spared a extra 1k for the build that i really didnt need to. and i went thru 2 tall tanks of argon and yes i back purged my welds to.

4. like i said i can show what ever you want price list. where i buy it from i'll give to you. i work with companys and they work with me...I'm not dumb stupid somethimes but not dumb. so if u want to keep this war going thats fine but dont get up set...i have all the proof behind everything i did and the price....and i just made a deal with Real Street performance i can lower the price a lil more...do what you want but my kit is here and if no one buys it i dont care....I built my kit with my Hands and i'm proud of what i did. hate me if you want I dont care.

BBRSpeedWorks · 09-28-2014, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dragonbreath

Haha I'm not "siding" with anyone. Everyone who has posted here has given you handclaps. I do congratulate you for your efforts. Better than me, otherwise I wouldn't have a BP kit. I'd have a Dragonbreath kit haha. But Im not a welder nor do I have the time to learn or design a kit, that's why I did go with a BP kit. I have followed BP since his user name was BoostedProbe on the 350z forums lol. I was sold back then.

Back on topic, you mentioned Z Nationals. I plan on attending. If you go im sure I'll meet you there. When are you planning on getting tuned?

I love his work to and have followed him for a long time...i dont have a problem with him. If i go i would love to meet up i have a lil crew of about 5 370z and 3 350z i plan to role with. as for dyno waiting on jon to call me monday to try and get there around the 15th.

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Originally Posted by valpozguy

I will be there as well, would love to meet all of you guys.

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it would be nice to meet some people from the forums

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Originally Posted by dragonbreath

We should all have shirts made with our usernames on it so we know who everyone is lol.

ya

BBRSpeedWorks · 09-28-2014, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance

EDIT: As I am putting these manifold together here I was thinking....if you can build these and sell them for $1,500 less than me, I think we can do business. I will buy them all from you at that price....provided the quality meets my specs of course.

BP i would love to work with you But i'm pretty sure that was sarcastic...

valpozguy · 09-28-2014, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dragonbreath

We should all have shirts made with our usernames on it so we know who everyone is lol.

That is acually a great idea. Z1 shold get the stickers that say "HELLO MY NAME IS" and we can put our fourm names on them.

BBRSpeedWorks · 09-28-2014, 06:01 PM

valpozguy · 09-28-2014, 06:06 PM

Well here is my Z and a pic of me lol. I will be keeping an eye out for you guys. Don't mean to jack your thread, you can delete these pictures after I post them I just want you guys to Know Who I am.

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BBRSpeedWorks · 09-28-2014, 06:08 PM

your good.i like ur Z very clean

Rob298mx · 09-28-2014, 09:38 PM

Put me on the $5600 turbo kit list!

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zguynate A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Strangeland Posts: 1,054 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 73	Haha I'm not "siding" with anyone. Everyone who has posted here has given you handclaps. I do congratulate you for your efforts. Better than me, otherwise I wouldn't have a BP kit. I'd have a Dragonbreath kit haha. But Im not a welder nor do I have the time to learn or design a kit, that's why I did go with a BP kit. I have followed BP since his user name was BoostedProbe on the 350z forums lol. I was sold back then. Back on topic, you mentioned Z Nationals. I plan on attending. If you go im sure I'll meet you there. When are you planning on getting tuned? BBRSpeedWorks likes this. __________________ 2009 370z touring w/sports package

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zguynate A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Strangeland Posts: 1,054 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 73	We should all have shirts made with our usernames on it so we know who everyone is lol. TopgunZ likes this. __________________ 2009 370z touring w/sports package

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