Pro EFI

37winner · 06-13-2014, 12:21 AM

Hi everyone,

Does anyone know if UpRev ROM tuning software can support and handle higher end horse power cars? I was just curious is ROM tuning is capable of doing such thing. I've been looking around and "researching" from higher end cars what kind of ECU/stand alone/ etc their all using. It all ranges from anything from Haltec, Motec, AMS, and other companies. I've been looking into Pro EFI and talk to few licensed people about it. They said it's possible but to custom make the harness is minimum of $1500.

Would anyone well over 800whp know anything about this, or could add their two cents in?

Thanks!

1slow370 · 06-13-2014, 01:38 AM

haha would anyone well over 800hp add there two cents, well since the only one that is is at gtm being worked on that's gonna be hard to find. It is running uprev though along with new mafs.

Edit: motec has been done but the harness is like $7500, fcon vpro has also been done but it's discontinued now, haltec has been stuck in pipe dream mode for the last 5 years, and you would need 4 dbw throttle controllers in whatever you do because the vvel takes 2 and the throttles take another 2.

DEpointfive0 · 06-13-2014, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370

haha would anyone well over 800hp add there two cents, well since the only one that is is at gtm being worked on that's gonna be hard to find.

LMAO, very true.

And I don't know, I will admit... But isn't UpRev working well enough? EcuTek has great potential I guess, but is limited too...

1slow370 · 06-13-2014, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

LMAO, very true.

And I don't know, I will admit... But isn't UpRev working well enough? EcuTek has great potential I guess, but is limited too...

I swear to god your phone is set to go off every time i post isn't it lol

DEpointfive0 · 06-13-2014, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370

I swear to god your phone is set to go off every time i post isn't it lol

No, I'm just as bored as you are and I click "New Post" every 10 seconds and pray

1slow370 · 06-13-2014, 01:47 AM

jeez I just f5 the engine and drivetrain section, I try to stay out of the lounges prolly why I don't ave 10 gazzillion posts by now.

37winner · 06-13-2014, 02:37 AM

Does the person with the Motec and Motec harness on the forums by any chance? I looked into the HKS Fcon, and I think it's great but the problem is their is only one licensed tuner here in Dallas. I personally think Jotech sucks a lot of balls when it comes to tuning.

I've been keeping in contact with Eric over at Haltech. It doesn't look promising at all, since he said no one in this community would ever buy it.

Any direction would be great. A dyno sheet would be great too!

Thanks!

DEpointfive0 · 06-13-2014, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by 37winner

Does the person with the Motec and Motec harness on the forums by any chance? I looked into the HKS Fcon, and I think it's great but the problem is their is only one licensed tuner here in Dallas. I personally think Jotech sucks a lot of balls when it comes to tuning.

I've been keeping in contact with Eric over at Haltech. It doesn't look promising at all, since he said no one in this community would ever buy it.

Any direction would be great. A dyno sheet would be great too!

Thanks!

Never heard of it, so I doubt it...
Are you on the DFW 370Z FB page? I used to live in Dallas, and the biggest issue with JoTech was that if you didn't own a GTR they didn't care much... And he's still gonna charge GTR tax rates... But Kenny does miracles with GTRs!

The general consensus is go to AWD Tuning, or drive to Austin and go to UpRev

37winner · 06-13-2014, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

Never heard of it, so I doubt it...
Are you on the DFW 370Z FB page? I used to live in Dallas, and the biggest issue with JoTech was that if you didn't own a GTR they didn't care much... And he's still gonna charge GTR tax rates... But Kenny does miracles with GTRs!

The general consensus is go to AWD Tuning, or drive to Austin and go to UpRev

I don't think Kenny does miracles. I think Tony at T1 does miracles with GTRs. Anyway, no I'm not on the Facebook page. I'm just going to keep my car questions, events, and such with the forums. Thank you though!

I guess I'll try out the Pro EFI and let everyone know how it goes, unless someone can assist me with some great information!

Thanks again!

DEpointfive0 · 06-13-2014, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by 37winner

I don't think Kenny does miracles. I think Tony at T1 does miracles with GTRs. Anyway, no I'm not on the Facebook page. I'm just going to keep my car questions, events, and such with the forums. Thank you though!

I guess I'll try out the Pro EFI and let everyone know how it goes, unless someone can assist me with some great information!

Thanks again!

Never heard of T1, lol

And my bad, I'll keep the thread related to your original post.

May I ask why you want to change to a standalone? Is UpRev lacking something? Or are you planning the most bitchin engine swap/setup?

phunk · 06-13-2014, 02:58 AM

i would love to see the sources that there was ever a single VVEL car running a standalone EMS of any type. I dont think anyone has done anything yet.

1slow370 · 06-13-2014, 02:59 AM

fcon harness was done by gtm, motec harness was done by motec for gtm, really there is all of one shop that does public work that has installed a standalone in this car and you may have to wait a long long time to get it. If you call up motec they could probably make you one but the price will be rediculous. unless you are going to make 1000+ horsepower you can do it on the factory ecu with a reflash and higher calibrated mafs + lots of tuning.

Edit: try contacting the grand am teams to see what they use, oh wait hr heads so you won't be able to use that either hmmm you're SOL my friend, does PRO EFI know what VVEL is? once they do, odds they are going to tell you to screw off are almost 100%

phunk · 06-13-2014, 03:01 AM

The FCON cannot run a VVEL engine, so GTM might have attempted it to find out that hard way that its not going to work out. I dont know about a Motec. Id like to see any sources at all that say that either of those EMS projects ever ran.

phunk · 06-13-2014, 03:16 AM

The FCON V Pro, I mean, I guess you COULD run it... but while a full standalone, the FCON could not run even a VQ35DE without the stock ECU, let alone a VQ37VHR. So say you spliced it in with the VHR harness anyway (pretty easy), here are some problems:

1: you are stuck using MAFs. Speed density isnt an option with VVEL... then again, this should be the case with any EMS not just the V Pro, wouldnt it?

2: Accel / Decel fuel trims. So, you splice into your TPS sensors so you can manage your accel and decel trims. Thats going to be an issue when your VVEL system is adjusting engine load with the valvetrain rather than the throttle bodies. VVEL causes changes in engine load that are not directly reflected in the actions of the throttle plates. The VVEL system is the last thing to touch the air before it enters the cylinders and the throttles obviously are none the wiser... to get this to run clean, you are going to need an EMS that is aware of the VVEL system and what its doing as its doing it... and you are going to need a secondary accel fuel trim map that is based on the actions of the VVEL system. ami right? I see this as being more hassle than its worth as far as setup and configuration with any EMS at all unless one of the manufacturers steps up to the plate and puts the features clear and easy in their software.

So, you can put the FCON in there and start it up... but I dont know who is going to enjoy driving that car for more than a few minutes without functional accel/decel trims

phunk · 06-13-2014, 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370

does PRO EFI know what VVEL is? once they do, odds they are going to tell you to screw off are almost 100%

This.

Most people are completely unaware of the VVEL system in the VQ37VHR, or what complexities it brings to the table.

06-13-2014, 12:21 AM	#1 (permalink)
37winner Base Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: usa Posts: 126 Drives: USMC Boots Rep Power: 11	Pro EFI Hi everyone, Does anyone know if UpRev ROM tuning software can support and handle higher end horse power cars? I was just curious is ROM tuning is capable of doing such thing. I've been looking around and "researching" from higher end cars what kind of ECU/stand alone/ etc their all using. It all ranges from anything from Haltec, Motec, AMS, and other companies. I've been looking into Pro EFI and talk to few licensed people about it. They said it's possible but to custom make the harness is minimum of $1500. Would anyone well over 800whp know anything about this, or could add their two cents in? Thanks!

06-13-2014, 01:38 AM	#2 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	haha would anyone well over 800hp add there two cents, well since the only one that is is at gtm being worked on that's gonna be hard to find. It is running uprev though along with new mafs. Edit: motec has been done but the harness is like $7500, fcon vpro has also been done but it's discontinued now, haltec has been stuck in pipe dream mode for the last 5 years, and you would need 4 dbw throttle controllers in whatever you do because the vvel takes 2 and the throttles take another 2. DEpointfive0 likes this. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50 Last edited by 1slow370; 06-13-2014 at 01:41 AM.

06-13-2014, 01:47 AM	#6 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	jeez I just f5 the engine and drivetrain section, I try to stay out of the lounges prolly why I don't ave 10 gazzillion posts by now. DEpointfive0 likes this. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

06-13-2014, 02:58 AM	#11 (permalink)
phunk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,668 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 974723	i would love to see the sources that there was ever a single VVEL car running a standalone EMS of any type. I dont think anyone has done anything yet. __________________ Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website \| Facebook \| Instagram \| YouTube Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph

06-13-2014, 02:59 AM	#12 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	fcon harness was done by gtm, motec harness was done by motec for gtm, really there is all of one shop that does public work that has installed a standalone in this car and you may have to wait a long long time to get it. If you call up motec they could probably make you one but the price will be rediculous. unless you are going to make 1000+ horsepower you can do it on the factory ecu with a reflash and higher calibrated mafs + lots of tuning. Edit: try contacting the grand am teams to see what they use, oh wait hr heads so you won't be able to use that either hmmm you're SOL my friend, does PRO EFI know what VVEL is? once they do, odds they are going to tell you to screw off are almost 100% __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

06-13-2014, 02:37 AM	#7 (permalink)
37winner Base Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: usa Posts: 126 Drives: USMC Boots Rep Power: 11	Does the person with the Motec and Motec harness on the forums by any chance? I looked into the HKS Fcon, and I think it's great but the problem is their is only one licensed tuner here in Dallas. I personally think Jotech sucks a lot of balls when it comes to tuning. I've been keeping in contact with Eric over at Haltech. It doesn't look promising at all, since he said no one in this community would ever buy it. Any direction would be great. A dyno sheet would be great too! Thanks!

06-13-2014, 03:01 AM	#13 (permalink)
phunk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,668 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 974723	The FCON cannot run a VVEL engine, so GTM might have attempted it to find out that hard way that its not going to work out. I dont know about a Motec. Id like to see any sources at all that say that either of those EMS projects ever ran. __________________ Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website \| Facebook \| Instagram \| YouTube Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph

06-13-2014, 03:16 AM	#14 (permalink)
phunk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,668 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 974723	The FCON V Pro, I mean, I guess you COULD run it... but while a full standalone, the FCON could not run even a VQ35DE without the stock ECU, let alone a VQ37VHR. So say you spliced it in with the VHR harness anyway (pretty easy), here are some problems: 1: you are stuck using MAFs. Speed density isnt an option with VVEL... then again, this should be the case with any EMS not just the V Pro, wouldnt it? 2: Accel / Decel fuel trims. So, you splice into your TPS sensors so you can manage your accel and decel trims. Thats going to be an issue when your VVEL system is adjusting engine load with the valvetrain rather than the throttle bodies. VVEL causes changes in engine load that are not directly reflected in the actions of the throttle plates. The VVEL system is the last thing to touch the air before it enters the cylinders and the throttles obviously are none the wiser... to get this to run clean, you are going to need an EMS that is aware of the VVEL system and what its doing as its doing it... and you are going to need a secondary accel fuel trim map that is based on the actions of the VVEL system. ami right? I see this as being more hassle than its worth as far as setup and configuration with any EMS at all unless one of the manufacturers steps up to the plate and puts the features clear and easy in their software. So, you can put the FCON in there and start it up... but I dont know who is going to enjoy driving that car for more than a few minutes without functional accel/decel trims __________________ Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website \| Facebook \| Instagram \| YouTube Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph Last edited by phunk; 06-13-2014 at 03:46 AM.