So just ordered my Stillen SC

Chuck33079 · 12-29-2014, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ

When I spoke to Chuck and Sasha on this the best place we talked about would be "after the SC" but there is no way to do that because Stillen goes to one intake pipe then splits at the TB's, You have to custom make in intake and there is no room for equal length pipes :/.. Unless you took off their mani and went with a ported stock one (Z1-M370) Idea tho

, you could probably make more power with 2 3inch pipes instead of the one Stillen intake pipe.

Yeah, it seems you would have to ditch everything but the supercharger and have someone make an air-to-air intercooler with a stock intake manifold.

ANMVQ · 12-29-2014, 08:13 AM

We talked about that also, EVOHUNTER is his screen name I thought at one time he was working with Sasha on building one, Don't remember what happened with it :/

Chuck33079 · 12-29-2014, 12:20 PM

Correct, the maf should be after the compressor and intercooler if we want the ecu to have an accurate reading.

swiss370Z · 12-30-2014, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Correct, the maf should be after the compressor and intercooler if we want the ecu to have an accurate reading.

I took the day off with my engineers here in Switzerland,
the topic with the MAF's to study it.

The air mass is not a problem.
The two pipes before the compressor is in the size and length OK.
Important here is the installation of the supplied by STILLEN apron,
or the air to lead not directly to the air filter.
Turbulent air flow.

We think, the only problem is the temperature measurement.
As soon as my "Z" from the engine conversion comes back, we will be at the Intake- Plenum install a temperature sensor capable of measuring the effective inlet temperature. So I can compare the two measurements and, if necessary, correct the MAF- temperature.
At the moment we do not yet know how?

Installation and Location:

MAF via OBDII evaluation:

I will continue to report in the spring.

See you soon and happy holidays from Switzerland

Ivo

Z&I · 12-30-2014, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by swiss370Z

I took the day off with my engineers here in Switzerland,
the topic with the MAF's to study it.

The air mass is not a problem.
The two pipes before the compressor is in the size and length OK.
Important here is the installation of the supplied by STILLEN apron,
or the air to lead not directly to the air filter.
Turbulent air flow.

We think, the only problem is the temperature measurement.
As soon as my "Z" from the engine conversion comes back, we will be at the Intake- Plenum install a temperature sensor capable of measuring the effective inlet temperature. So I can compare the two measurements and, if necessary, correct the MAF- temperature.
At the moment we do not yet know how?

I will continue to report in the spring.

See you soon and happy holidays from Switzerland

Ivo

Looks promising .

.Thanks for the post !!!

Z&I · 01-01-2015, 02:19 PM

Been doing some leg work ... here now is Plan B :

Having to stay with the 'Stillen' as is ... most everything is back in place and it is too late (and expensive cough cough) to change horses in mid stream at this point.

I will be installing a PLX DM-5 AIT Gauge/Module/Thermocouple at the Stillen manifold as Swiss370's illustration shows.

I ran this by the builder and now waiting to hear back from the Tuner.
But so far it seems a much better way to monitor the motor and more accurately do the tune (with better numbers temp wise to work with)

Next question up is possibly an upgraded Water Pump for the IC than the Stillen kit provides...
Thinking here is to create more circulation to accommodate the much larger Frozen Boost Air to Water heat exchanger = lower temps.

Has anybody tried this ??? and where could I find one ...

ANMVQ · 12-29-2014, 12:49 PM

Just spilt the tubes after the SC, Dump the Stillen intake and go with a M370 or Z1

Chuck33079 · 12-29-2014, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ

Just spilt the tubes after the SC, Dump the Stillen intake and go with a M370 or Z1

That, with an air-to-air intercooler and you'd have one hell of a setup.

ANMVQ · 12-30-2014, 09:18 AM

Love the draw up man

, But you should really try to get a read pre and post SC, MAF readings,

Chuck33079 · 01-01-2015, 02:21 PM

How is the thermocouple going to help beyond data logging? The ecu still won't see accurate IATs.

Z&I · 01-01-2015, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

How is the thermocouple going to help beyond data logging? The ecu still won't see accurate IATs.

Agreed ... not 100% accurate, however, with the Frozen Booost and temps down at the IC, the Tuner may be able to provide the ecu with adjusted and closer to accurate numbers.
Not the perfect solution ... but ... waiting to hear from the tuner.

At any rate ... it won't hurt to know the exact IAT - the PLX gauge and module are top notch.

BTW, I did check out the M370 manifold and Air to Air heat exchanger - a nice set up - but the manifold would necessitate reconfiguring/custom designing the SC'r charge tubes, relocating the TB's, and I would have to eliminate the custom bracket brace.
Another deterrent was finding suitable room for proper placement of the larger Air to Air heat exchanger.

Will keep you in the loop

ANMVQ · 01-06-2015, 10:02 AM

He's for sure telling the truth, If I could go back and do it again, I'd left it alone at 412 WHP. The 457 WHP for 3 days wasn't worth the upgrade cost, the 9 months after I didn't have the car and all the $$$ I lost.

Z&I · 01-06-2015, 02:48 PM

Mikeeeey !!!
Everything we have been saying is true ...

I dyno'd at 483 whp after the $k$$$'s upgrade ...
Made only 63 whp over the original Stillen kit (420 whp).

Gained only .1 sec at the drag strip - that's Point 1 sec. !
Only made the one run before the motor left the building.

I'm again without the car looking at another 9 months in the shop. More Time and More Money.

Had I to do it again ... I would have Built the MOTOR the right way in the first place, instead of Bolting on.

mikey1600 · 01-07-2015, 06:47 AM

haha all good guys! I'll take your advice and just leave it alone!

Z&I · 01-07-2015, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey1600

haha all good guys! I'll take your advice and just leave it alone!

Aaaaahhhhh

... Now I can rest peaceful like at night again !!!
Put your hard earned $bucks$ first into a built motor and then you can do what you want to do :-)

12-29-2014, 08:13 AM	#2 (permalink)
ANMVQ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Framingham MA Posts: 2,732 Drives: 2014 Q50 AWD Rep Power: 20	We talked about that also, EVOHUNTER is his screen name I thought at one time he was working with Sasha on building one, Don't remember what happened with it :/ __________________ 14 Q50 AWD, ARK, ECUTEK (SEB), Takda, Last edited by ANMVQ; 12-29-2014 at 08:15 AM.

12-29-2014, 12:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	Correct, the maf should be after the compressor and intercooler if we want the ecu to have an accurate reading. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

01-01-2015, 02:19 PM	#6 (permalink)
Z&I Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 410 Drives: '09 370z 6MT FI Rep Power: 13	Plan 'B' Been doing some leg work ... here now is Plan B : Having to stay with the 'Stillen' as is ... most everything is back in place and it is too late (and expensive cough cough) to change horses in mid stream at this point. I will be installing a PLX DM-5 AIT Gauge/Module/Thermocouple at the Stillen manifold as Swiss370's illustration shows. I ran this by the builder and now waiting to hear back from the Tuner. But so far it seems a much better way to monitor the motor and more accurately do the tune (with better numbers temp wise to work with) Next question up is possibly an upgraded Water Pump for the IC than the Stillen kit provides... Thinking here is to create more circulation to accommodate the much larger Frozen Boost Air to Water heat exchanger = lower temps. Has anybody tried this ??? and where could I find one ... __________________ . BB

12-29-2014, 12:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
ANMVQ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Framingham MA Posts: 2,732 Drives: 2014 Q50 AWD Rep Power: 20	Just spilt the tubes after the SC, Dump the Stillen intake and go with a M370 or Z1 clkio likes this. __________________ 14 Q50 AWD, ARK, ECUTEK (SEB), Takda,

12-30-2014, 09:18 AM	#9 (permalink)
ANMVQ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Framingham MA Posts: 2,732 Drives: 2014 Q50 AWD Rep Power: 20	Love the draw up man , But you should really try to get a read pre and post SC, MAF readings, swiss370Z likes this. __________________ 14 Q50 AWD, ARK, ECUTEK (SEB), Takda,

01-01-2015, 02:21 PM	#10 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	How is the thermocouple going to help beyond data logging? The ecu still won't see accurate IATs. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

01-06-2015, 10:02 AM	#12 (permalink)
ANMVQ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Framingham MA Posts: 2,732 Drives: 2014 Q50 AWD Rep Power: 20	He's for sure telling the truth, If I could go back and do it again, I'd left it alone at 412 WHP. The 457 WHP for 3 days wasn't worth the upgrade cost, the 9 months after I didn't have the car and all the $$$ I lost. __________________ 14 Q50 AWD, ARK, ECUTEK (SEB), Takda,

01-06-2015, 02:48 PM	#13 (permalink)
Z&I Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 410 Drives: '09 370z 6MT FI Rep Power: 13	Mikeeeey !!! Everything we have been saying is true ... I dyno'd at 483 whp after the $k$$$'s upgrade ... Made only 63 whp over the original Stillen kit (420 whp). Gained only .1 sec at the drag strip - that's Point 1 sec. ! Only made the one run before the motor left the building. I'm again without the car looking at another 9 months in the shop. More Time and More Money. Had I to do it again ... I would have Built the MOTOR the right way in the first place, instead of Bolting on. __________________ . BB

01-07-2015, 06:47 AM	#14 (permalink)
mikey1600 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 503 Drives: MY11 370z Black Rep Power: 16	haha all good guys! I'll take your advice and just leave it alone!

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