Reflections on GTM over the years

FPenvy · 09-02-2014, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gbrettin

Maybe you could buy the F.I. Manifolds and make those work with a little fabrication work?

no idea how those would line up. i know the FI kit is primarily all V-bands. not sure what the GTM kit has off the top of my head or without looking up pics.

Kojack · 09-02-2014, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gbrettin

Maybe you could buy the F.I. Manifolds and make those work with a little fabrication work?

Someone asked about it. FI will not sell just the manifolds. You'll have to buy the complete kit

Edit: I think CJ Motorsports made manifolds only but it's v-band

phunk · 09-02-2014, 04:07 PM

We made a set of manifolds for our 350z, to put GTX3076R's on the side. They arent exactly available for order, although we could make more. These were about fitting really large turbos... probably larger than anyone else has put on the side of the VQ (rather than down below like most the big turbo VQs). These manifolds would be a pain in the *** for anyone wanting to install them to their GTM kit. Nothing would fit up correctly, and you would have to redo everything and buy new turbine housings.

If someone sent us the GTM manifolds, we could make bolt up replacements for them. Depending on how many people wanted them, and depending on what style, we could probably make a batch of them.

Things to consider:

More people (possible GB), brings costs down

Fabricated has less upfront investment and less initial time involved than cast, but has higher individual costs unless the volume is REALLY high, which it wouldnt be. Fabricated ones stay just as hard to make forever, where castings are easy as pie once the expensive tooling is built and refined.

Fabricated can be easily repaired by any welder if it ever cracked. Cast *can* be repaired, but nobody wants to do it or trusts it.

Cast is able to produce nicer smoother runners in tighter spaces than fabricated reasonably can. Fabricated can make very nice smooth runners and collectors but takes more space to do so.

We could also do a hybrid billet SS and fabricated manifold that would be SICK, but we would be looking at $$$.

If someone sends me the GTM manifolds, I can put the flange relationships into CAD and then we could consider options if you guys wanted.

DIGItonium · 09-09-2014, 09:24 AM

If I were to do this all over again I'd get F.I. or AAM, but that's not the case. My only guess for switching to V-bands is to replace the exhaust housing. There are a few choices down the road:

Overhaul the turbos and get new manifolds.
Brand new turbos, manifolds, and retrofit charge pipes from the turbos to GTM kit.
Sell the car to a gearhead to take over my project, take a deep breath, and relax for awhile.

Juztin · 09-09-2014, 11:36 PM

Welp CZP cancelled the order they had with GTM for the waste-gate conversion kit I placed with CZP (and not GTM thank goodness). They hadn't heard a single word from Sam @ GTM since 7/17 (before that was constant pestering and some back and forth comms) and they are owed some turbo kits as well aside from the waste-gate kit.

So that's what came of that 5 month wait for that. Wish I had better news for the folks that have GTM orders. Probably end up having my builder just fab up the waste-gate kit off of pictures. Ah well. GTM can't even get a couple of pipes and waste-gates together in 5 months for $1,200 potential sale.

Z eliminator · 09-10-2014, 08:30 AM

23 months waiting for the stage 3 SC upgrades.
15 months for the 4.2 stroker
gave him a fully dressed engine 100 miles on it.
Sent him my june cams.
paid in full, last Dec. 2014.

no chance of getting money back
Looks like a $ 30.000.00 dollar loss.

im a 11 year customer and this is the first time that he has not come through.
talk to him weekly.
Had trouble with the wrong valves for the stage 3 heads, had trouble with the engine rods.
All ways has to check with the machinist or engine builder to see what is happening.
it all ways 2 weeks,
he has not been well, we are very good friends, but business is business. and im very disappointed.

nobody to blame but my self.

Z

elperuano · 09-10-2014, 08:43 AM

Ouch... ssorry to hear that. 30k is nice chunk of change. For him to pocket that and give you nothing in return is sickening.

FPenvy · 09-10-2014, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z eliminator

23 months waiting for the stage 3 SC upgrades.
15 months for the 4.2 stroker
gave him a fully dressed engine 100 miles on it.
Sent him my june cams.
paid in full, last Dec. 2014.

no chance of getting money back
Looks like a $ 30.000.00 dollar loss.

im a 11 year customer and this is the first time that he has not come through.
talk to him weekly.
Had trouble with the wrong valves for the stage 3 heads, had trouble with the engine rods.
All ways has to check with the machinist or engine builder to see what is happening.
it all ways 2 weeks,
he has not been well, we are very good friends, but business is business. and im very disappointed.

nobody to blame but my self.

Z

$30K loss?!?

yea i'd be in the car or gettin on a plane to cali to beat it out of him.

that's a big chunk of change to lose to a company scamming this many people.

honestly i reaslly hope someone lawyers up and takes the whole company down. at first this was interesting to read but after seeing how many people have been screwed out of way to much money its just pathetic.

Z eliminator · 09-10-2014, 08:51 AM

im sure that in the next 6 months he will have it ready.
Ive just missed my last 3, z drag racing days up here.
over the last year.
Vivid racing just called last week, my Ings + 1 body kit is here. including the fenders.

Why get a lawyer " American greed show" better option

Z

NoLaKrewe · 09-10-2014, 08:55 AM

I'd kill someone. 30 stacks. Some people work all year for that.

Z eliminator · 09-10-2014, 09:01 AM

Not worth going to jail for doing that.

NoLaKrewe · 09-10-2014, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z eliminator

Not worth going to jail for doing that.

Well duh! However, considering GTMs reputation across multiple boards I think authorities would have problems narrowing down the search LOL

FPenvy · 09-10-2014, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z eliminator

im sure that in the next 6 months he will have it ready.
Ive just missed my last 3, z drag racing days up here.
over the last year.
Vivid racing just called last week, my Ings + 1 body kit is here. including the fenders.

Why get a lawyer " American greed show" better option

Z

yea whats another 6 months.........

honestly i think there should be something done legally.

letting it sit and wait is basically like giving them a slap on the wrist.

i feel like i'm watching goodell punish NFL players in this thread.

then sayin "hey Ray! nice left hook!"

BlkNismo · 09-10-2014, 10:48 AM

more and more guys chiming in over getting screwed by GTM.
I feel your pain. What a pos so called business.

pulled right from their site....this is all lies.
"what makes us different and unique from everyone else is our dedication, hard work, and strive for excellent customer service"

what a joke

MMC Racing · 09-10-2014, 11:58 AM

It only pays to sue if the person you are suing has the funds to pay.

09-09-2014, 09:24 AM	#199 (permalink)
DIGItonium A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kansas Posts: 3,800 Drives: 09 Z34-TT 6MT Rep Power: 43	If I were to do this all over again I'd get F.I. or AAM, but that's not the case. My only guess for switching to V-bands is to replace the exhaust housing. There are a few choices down the road: Overhaul the turbos and get new manifolds. Brand new turbos, manifolds, and retrofit charge pipes from the turbos to GTM kit. Sell the car to a gearhead to take over my project, take a deep breath, and relax for awhile. FPenvy and elperuano like this. __________________

09-09-2014, 11:36 PM	#200 (permalink)
Juztin Base Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: 505 Posts: 27 Drives: '07 350z Rep Power: 11	Welp CZP cancelled the order they had with GTM for the waste-gate conversion kit I placed with CZP (and not GTM thank goodness). They hadn't heard a single word from Sam @ GTM since 7/17 (before that was constant pestering and some back and forth comms) and they are owed some turbo kits as well aside from the waste-gate kit. So that's what came of that 5 month wait for that. Wish I had better news for the folks that have GTM orders. Probably end up having my builder just fab up the waste-gate kit off of pictures. Ah well. GTM can't even get a couple of pipes and waste-gates together in 5 months for $1,200 potential sale. Last edited by Juztin; 09-09-2014 at 11:40 PM.

09-10-2014, 08:30 AM	#201 (permalink)
Z eliminator A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 1,659 Drives: 370 Z 7AT Sports Rep Power: 19	23 months waiting for the stage 3 SC upgrades. 15 months for the 4.2 stroker gave him a fully dressed engine 100 miles on it. Sent him my june cams. paid in full, last Dec. 2014. no chance of getting money back Looks like a $ 30.000.00 dollar loss. im a 11 year customer and this is the first time that he has not come through. talk to him weekly. Had trouble with the wrong valves for the stage 3 heads, had trouble with the engine rods. All ways has to check with the machinist or engine builder to see what is happening. it all ways 2 weeks, he has not been well, we are very good friends, but business is business. and im very disappointed. nobody to blame but my self. Z Kingbaby likes this. __________________ 12.343 @114.14 . 4.5 stroker motor is now being built. Dec 1 2015. Last edited by Z eliminator; 09-10-2014 at 08:38 AM.

09-10-2014, 08:51 AM	#204 (permalink)
Z eliminator A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 1,659 Drives: 370 Z 7AT Sports Rep Power: 19	im sure that in the next 6 months he will have it ready. Ive just missed my last 3, z drag racing days up here. over the last year. Vivid racing just called last week, my Ings + 1 body kit is here. including the fenders. Why get a lawyer " American greed show" better option Z __________________ 12.343 @114.14 . 4.5 stroker motor is now being built. Dec 1 2015. Last edited by Z eliminator; 09-10-2014 at 08:56 AM.

09-10-2014, 08:55 AM	#205 (permalink)
NoLaKrewe Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: NoLa Posts: 469 Drives: 2011 FJ//2015 370z Rep Power: 13	I'd kill someone. 30 stacks. Some people work all year for that. __________________ Starting a NoLa Z club https://www.facebook.com/groups/TheBigeZClub/ The struggle will be real!

09-10-2014, 08:43 AM	#202 (permalink)
elperuano A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southwest FL Posts: 1,374 Drives: G37S Rep Power: 29	Ouch... ssorry to hear that. 30k is nice chunk of change. For him to pocket that and give you nothing in return is sickening.

09-10-2014, 09:01 AM	#206 (permalink)
Z eliminator A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 1,659 Drives: 370 Z 7AT Sports Rep Power: 19	Not worth going to jail for doing that. GaleForce likes this. __________________ 12.343 @114.14 . 4.5 stroker motor is now being built. Dec 1 2015.

09-10-2014, 10:48 AM	#209 (permalink)
BlkNismo Track Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: USA Posts: 614 Drives: Nismo Rep Power: 15	more and more guys chiming in over getting screwed by GTM. I feel your pain. What a pos so called business. pulled right from their site....this is all lies. "what makes us different and unique from everyone else is our dedication, hard work, and strive for excellent customer service" what a joke

09-10-2014, 11:58 AM	#210 (permalink)
MMC Racing Track Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 661 Drives: 2015 GT-R Rep Power: 17	It only pays to sue if the person you are suing has the funds to pay. JWillis72 likes this. __________________ 2014 F150 Raptor, 2014 Mazda 3, 2015 Nissan GT-R

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