I was pondering on this thought the other day. Let's say some how GTM pulls off the 2 year long group buy, finishes everyone's build, squares away money owed to customers for hypothetical installations. Do you honestly think that a reputation this skewed can be repaired? Honestly, I don't think so as they're companies with great customer service and great products, plus no history of sketchy deals. However, I wonder what this community has to say about this? Is it possible because I say no but I don't represent the community. I do sales on forums but it's for the 4x4 side of the world. With that community this would not have been so easy, as they're a different breed of people. So I wonder.

I think the things that you listed will just right the wrongs. Their reputation won't be repaired just by doing that, simply because they are/were supposed to do those things in the first place. They are in the negative. Rectifying the current issues won't put them in the positive in my book. They will be set back to zero. Even then, they still have an uphill battle to earn new customers and an even harder obstacle retaining any past customers given their current reputation. It will take years more than likely to be a reputable business again. GTM has a lot of rear end kissing to do with this community. To be honest, Im not sure what they can to do accelerate the process of regaining a positive status. One thing that really irritates me personally are the CJM copies. Even the instruction manual is copied word for word. Personally I would like to see GTM use actual CJM products, rather than GTM branded copies. Charles is a stand up guy who works hard to design and test products for this platform. GTM ripped off of his R&D for a direct copy. It appears to be legal since they are allowed to do this, but it is not the moral thing to do.

First, GTM needs to own up to this entire steaming heap of feces. Sam needs to own up. GTM will not gain any ground with this community without coming on here, admitting that they were wrong, and that they royally screwed the pooch. Issue out a sincere apology. If that doesn't happen, most members here won't give a second look. Even if they do, there still will be some members who won't buy it. GTM will have to prove over time, with over the top superb customer service and top notch products, that they are a company worth doing business with.

Sam, I hope you are reading this and are giving these suggestions sincere consideration.

Now that's a really well response. Thought out and reasonable. Kudos man!

Wasn't trying to offend you JARblue. Sorry if you took it that way. Was trying to make a general statement to everyone too. No one may be promoting GTM but people are still throwing money at him.

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I totally remember this at the shop now! The black intercooler and piping made me jealous when I saw it! The car looks GREAT!

My first and only post in the thread.

I read forums the same way I live my life. I take what I think is useful or interesting and leave the rest of the junk. If I don't like what I see/read, I skip that part. People read too much into things on forums.

I have read every post in the thread and some things just seem like simple facts (some personal, some from simple statistics, some from experience). It's entertaining (sorry if it's to your expense).

A good way to learn is from your own mistakes, but the best way to learn is from others.

Have a Good Day.
YzGyz (Wise Guys)

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Wut

Did you ask Sam what the heck happened that they could not get my waste-gate relocation kit ordered through CZP done in 5 months?

It's just 2 simple Tial waste-gates, some down pipes and misc piping for the recirculation option. The fact they can't get something that simple together is further telling of the fact they can't get any TT kits shipped out the door.

Next time you run a PR mission to Rancho Cucamonga, ask Sam that for me will ya? KTHNXBYE!

Hey I'm looking to buy one of the two...threeish runners for the GTR conversion!

Regardless of what's going on is one available ???

Almost forgot about that "mishap". Another prime example.

First of all not a PR mission. Secondly, the attitude is not needed. I went to check on my car out of legitimate concern for the time it was taking to complete. That and I had a plethora of parts that needed to come home like a ~$800 dry carbon intake duct... So I went to see the progress, check in the condition of my car, pick up my stuff, talk to sam one on one and it soo happened to be a prime time to ask him questions about what is really going on.

I don't know about your order or the mishap that happened there. However, if you want to confront me feel free to do it in PM. I hold myself to a high stadard and what I put out is the truth. If you don't like it so be it... Go play elsewhere. I harbor no bad feelings about what has been posted or those in this thread but... If another person decides to insinuate that I am on a PR mission or that I am lying I have no problem calling AK or Frost or even Trips on the phone and letting them deal with you.

I am a very nice person who was thinking of others when I posted... If you people do not want insight and want your little witch hunt by all means have one on your own. This forum can quickly turn into my350 they way you guys are starting to act... And everyone hates my350!

I don't think the name calling, harassment of other members, and the name dropping should continue. We need to chill out and remember GTM is the only one worthy of the harassment.

I believe that most of us are on the same page here. I don't think that GTM deserves name calling either. I agree with putting out good info AND the truth.

On a side note, I had no idea that they copied Charles designs. Sad thing is everyone knows who is who in this community. How could they expect to get away with sone of the crap that they do. Another shining example of honor and integrity.

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I don't have a dog in this fight. But bustin' Bullet's balls on this is uncalled for. All he did was tell us what he saw and heard, nothing more. Some people here are putting more into it then what was said. :(

I do agree that Sam has major issues.

It's a great source of knowledge and foresight !

No need to start acting