Reflections on GTM over the years

bullitt5897 · 10-08-2014, 01:32 PM

Did he take delivery of the car? There were several cars in the shop including a g37... And it did have a kit on it...

jwick · 10-08-2014, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

He's saying his refund was $700, so he lost $19,300

DEpointfive0 · 10-08-2014, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897

Did he take delivery of the car? There were several cars in the shop including a g37... And it did have a kit on it...

No idea, just stating what I read from his post. My issue is that I don't know anyone who would just shoulder a 20k loss...

NoLaKrewe · 10-08-2014, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897

To those that think I am cheerleading... I am not. Sam and I have a complex relationship and if you ask him I am a pain in the a$$! However, as a former business owner I know the right questions to ask and when to call bs. This trip was solely about my car and my project. I asked and inquired and dug into these items because it means something to the community... Does it benefit me to come forward? NO! Actually it does the opposite! Sam holds his cards close to his chest. I have learned how to work with Sam and how to get the information I needed.

So to recap I was not fed b.s. I pulled information from Sam as well as other sources to validate. I also was physically in the building and walking through the operations. This is something about 70+% of you cannot claim...

so yes take what I say with a grain of salt but also know I have dealt with Sam more than probably half of the members of the forums combined... No offense taken here by me and I would be just as skeptical as many of you are. But remember I am an OG here and I have always been very straight with people and members...

To recap...

You think the consumer should have to stay on a business's *** in order to get the product they pay for? If someone isn't a pain in the *** to Sam it doesn't seem to get done, and even if they are it doesn't seem to get done. We aren't talking a couple dollars here, this dude has literally screwed people out of thousands of dollars. This is not "business" GTM is not a BUSINESS. They're crooks, because I've never met a ******* business model that was take people's money and not deliver products. That ***** called theift. I really don't understand after all the threads between plenty of forums how someone with a good conscious could ever defend GTM or try to rectify the situation. It boggles my mind. The only way someone could come in here and justify these business ethics is if they're themselves just as shady as a person.

Had this been the cowboy and Indian days or any day where men where still held accountable for their words. Sam would have either his hands cutoff by now or hung infront of the whole town to show you that it's not okay to **** people over. Sadly, we have turned into the times where ******** can jack people out of money and some douchebags will come to the internet and justify his ethics.

/rant.

bullitt5897 · 10-08-2014, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

No idea, just stating what I read from his post. My issue is that I don't know anyone who would just shoulder a 20k loss...

If that is the case it's a whole different story...

bullitt5897 · 10-08-2014, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLaKrewe

To recap...

You think the consumer should have to stay on a business's *** in order to get the product they pay for? If someone isn't a pain in the *** to Sam it doesn't seem to get done, and even if they are it doesn't seem to get done. We aren't talking a couple dollars here, this dude has literally screwed people out of thousands of dollars. This is not "business" GTM is not a BUSINESS. They're crooks, because I've never met a ******* business model that was take people's money and not deliver products. That ***** called theift. I really don't understand after all the threads between plenty of forums how someone with a good conscious could ever defend GTM or try to rectify the situation. It boggles my mind. The only way someone could come in here and justify these business ethics is if they're themselves just as shady as a person.

Had this been the cowboy and Indian days or any day where men where still held accountable for their words. Sam would have either his hands cutoff by now or hung infront of the whole town to show you that it's not okay to **** people over. Sadly, we have turned into the times where ******** can jack people out of money and some douchebags will come to the internet and justify his ethics.

/rant.

Please point out where I have come out to defend what was done by Sam... I did not come in here to defend GTM... I have expressed my issues with Sam and the business practices that have transpired. I simply came here to give the community updates that they are still working on items and trying to rectify the issues they have created. That is all I came here to do.

Ill · 10-08-2014, 02:21 PM

Just to throw some more information out there, I am finally receiving the shipment of my car tomorrow night at 6pm. I called Sam multiple times a day and he was giving accurate updates of the progress whenever I asked him. Took a bit longer then expected, but he claims there was a car there that kept having issues and small issue after issue slowed my build down. Once my build was finally ready to be dynod, my oil pressure was a little different then what they are used to seeing, they did a bunch of tests and verified that it wouldn't be an issue. Like I said, small little problems with the other car the tech was working in and small problems with my car ultimately slowed it all down. I can see similar situations happening and thus slow and big the entire shop down.

I finally received my dyno sheet and set up for shipping, which took awhile because of where I am located and didn't want to pay for a closed single trailer.

It took awhile, but It all worked out and it was completed as I was told it would be, just not when I expected.

I was the only MB 370z they had in the shop, did you by chance see it bullit? Was my baby girl looking good?

bullitt5897 · 10-08-2014, 03:05 PM

I did not get a chance to see it up close. But if it was like the other vehicles in the shop they were all being well taken care of. I am glad your is finished and yes there were several problem cars in the shop that were slowing things down. Each tech was working on multiple cars each day was a different car. They are making progress but it is slow...

roplusbee · 10-08-2014, 04:56 PM

bullitt5897:

Just so that we are clear, I am not taking a shot at you. I know posts can be interpreted in many ways (especially on this forum), but I just wanted to put that out there.

elperuano · 10-08-2014, 06:19 PM

At this point anyone even trying to defense said company looks extremely foolish. Only one who should speak on said companys behalf should be owner and no one else. This is the 3rd or 4th pperson who has said almost same thing verbatim. The "let's get it done" attitude was hilarious and sounded familiar. Owner can't even take 3 minutes to log in here and open his mouth but seems to have lots of servants who can speak on his behalf. What a shame. After all the evidence people still wanna play blind.

NoLaKrewe · 10-08-2014, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by elperuano

At this point anyone even trying to defense said company looks extremely foolish. Only one who should speak on said companys behalf should be owner and no one else. This is the 3rd or 4th pperson who has said almost same thing verbatim. The "let's get it done" attitude was hilarious and sounded familiar. Owner can't even take 3 minutes to log in here and open his mouth but seems to have lots of servants who can speak on his behalf. What a shame. After all the evidence people still wanna play blind.

Right? If I did owe you 20K and had some issues come up that I couldn't provide you the service I would keep you updated often. As I would feel bad for falling short of my own expectations. However, he has not updated or spoke on the companies behalf which says a lot

NoLaKrewe · 10-08-2014, 07:05 PM

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bullitt5897 · 10-08-2014, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by elperuano

At this point anyone even trying to defense said company looks extremely foolish. Only one who should speak on said companys behalf should be owner and no one else. This is the 3rd or 4th pperson who has said almost same thing verbatim. The "let's get it done" attitude was hilarious and sounded familiar. Owner can't even take 3 minutes to log in here and open his mouth but seems to have lots of servants who can speak on his behalf. What a shame. After all the evidence people still wanna play blind.

Actually, if I recall his account is locked so he wouldn't be able to if he wanted... Mods please correct me if I am wrong...

G37sHKS · 10-08-2014, 07:23 PM

Im not hating here but I cant believe someone is actually talking behalf of Sam,
Mike@GTM was here and said everything we need to know about "GTM"

Do I have to quote his post for reminder? if not then /End of story.

bullitt5897 · 10-08-2014, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by elperuano

At this point anyone even trying to defense said company looks extremely foolish. Only one who should speak on said companys behalf should be owner and no one else. This is the 3rd or 4th pperson who has said almost same thing verbatim. The "let's get it done" attitude was hilarious and sounded familiar. Owner can't even take 3 minutes to log in here and open his mouth but seems to have lots of servants who can speak on his behalf. What a shame. After all the evidence people still wanna play blind.

The lets get it done attitude comes from the techs who are actually working on the cars... They want to see these projects through. GTM was closed on Saturday yet one tech still came in to work on a car... The tech's are very passionate about the platform from what I have been able to gather while at the shop.

People aren't stepping up and defending GTM's past or the failed group buy... Honestly, I have my opinion on how the shop should be run... But I didn't build the company and I have not had to deal with the day to day issues that arise in the shop. Pablo is probably running for sainthood ship right now having to answer all the outrage customer phone calls. That man is one of the nicest people I have ever met and had to talk to on a daily basis.

Just remember when you call that:

"You catch more flies with honey, than you would with vinegar..."

Remember that when talking to the people on your order or project and you will get more for the time you spend on the phone... Pablo will bend over backwards for you. But, you have to be nice and build a report with him.

As for my project:
Right now my car is probably back on a lift being put back together. It should be running by the end of the month... Figuring the tech is working on several other projects and my build is retarded complex.

10-08-2014, 01:32 PM	#481 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3682	Did he take delivery of the car? There were several cars in the shop including a g37... And it did have a kit on it... __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

10-08-2014, 02:21 PM	#487 (permalink)
Ill Base Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Bellevue Posts: 177 Drives: 09 370z Base 6MT Rep Power: 13	Just to throw some more information out there, I am finally receiving the shipment of my car tomorrow night at 6pm. I called Sam multiple times a day and he was giving accurate updates of the progress whenever I asked him. Took a bit longer then expected, but he claims there was a car there that kept having issues and small issue after issue slowed my build down. Once my build was finally ready to be dynod, my oil pressure was a little different then what they are used to seeing, they did a bunch of tests and verified that it wouldn't be an issue. Like I said, small little problems with the other car the tech was working in and small problems with my car ultimately slowed it all down. I can see similar situations happening and thus slow and big the entire shop down. I finally received my dyno sheet and set up for shipping, which took awhile because of where I am located and didn't want to pay for a closed single trailer. It took awhile, but It all worked out and it was completed as I was told it would be, just not when I expected. I was the only MB 370z they had in the shop, did you by chance see it bullit? Was my baby girl looking good? __________________ Old - GTM TT Stage 1 - 487whp / 415wtrq - bunch of goodies. New - 2011 Shelby GT500 - 2.3L VMP TVS - JLT CAI.

10-08-2014, 03:05 PM	#488 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3682	I did not get a chance to see it up close. But if it was like the other vehicles in the shop they were all being well taken care of. I am glad your is finished and yes there were several problem cars in the shop that were slowing things down. Each tech was working on multiple cars each day was a different car. They are making progress but it is slow... __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

10-08-2014, 04:56 PM	#489 (permalink)
roplusbee A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Killeen, TX Posts: 2,360 Drives: 2007 350Z NISMO Rep Power: 23	bullitt5897: Just so that we are clear, I am not taking a shot at you. I know posts can be interpreted in many ways (especially on this forum), but I just wanted to put that out there. __________________ 2007 350Z NISMO #0618: Zerolift \| UPREV \| F.I. \| Greddy \| Competition Clutch \| Injector Dynamics \| Aeromotive \| Pioneer \| JL

10-08-2014, 06:19 PM	#490 (permalink)
elperuano A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southwest FL Posts: 1,374 Drives: G37S Rep Power: 29	At this point anyone even trying to defense said company looks extremely foolish. Only one who should speak on said companys behalf should be owner and no one else. This is the 3rd or 4th pperson who has said almost same thing verbatim. The "let's get it done" attitude was hilarious and sounded familiar. Owner can't even take 3 minutes to log in here and open his mouth but seems to have lots of servants who can speak on his behalf. What a shame. After all the evidence people still wanna play blind. 09nismo498 and NoLaKrewe like this.

10-08-2014, 07:05 PM	#492 (permalink)
NoLaKrewe Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: NoLa Posts: 469 Drives: 2011 FJ//2015 370z Rep Power: 13	Editted __________________ Starting a NoLa Z club https://www.facebook.com/groups/TheBigeZClub/ The struggle will be real! Last edited by NoLaKrewe; 10-08-2014 at 07:08 PM.

10-08-2014, 07:23 PM	#494 (permalink)
G37sHKS A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Dubai Posts: 1,183 Drives: 09 G37S Coupe 7AT Rep Power: 20	Im not hating here but I cant believe someone is actually talking behalf of Sam, Mike@GTM was here and said everything we need to know about "GTM" Do I have to quote his post for reminder? if not then /End of story. Chuck33079 and NoLaKrewe like this. __________________ G37 BUILD UNDER CONSTRUCTION

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