Well, that's why I added the "in your opinion" bit. I don't want him to put himself at risk. I mean, if there's no love lost there I would love
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Well, that's why I added the "in your opinion" bit. I don't want him to put himself at risk. I mean, if there's no love lost there I would love to know the answers to the questions I asked but I also understand if he doesn't want to answer.
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I'll tell you, the only reason I didn't was because I didn't want to screw someone else over who was in the same boat I was in.
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Also he used a personal sickness (brain surgery) and a death in his family as excuses for not shipping my kit. Was that true or just horseshit?
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I'll let Mike reply, but everything needs Sam's god blessing, so it's not surprising that if while he was out, the shít hit the fan and they just didn't ship anything
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As for your question about the group buy. It looked like it was going to be a big hit. We were excited, the members were excited and it looked like it was going to be the veritable A-bomb in the Z world. But Sam kept giving me the runaround and lying to me about the cast manifolds. I learned that the tooling hadn't even been paid for and was still outstanding when I left back in December/January. Why? I have no clue. I suspect that the issues with the mandrel bender and the associated tooling played a role in that. Let me just say that outsourcing manufacturing is a bitch and the only way to really pull it off is to have a rep there or within driving distance so that you don't just become another number. The double sided sword of that for Sam is that if his suppliers are within driving distance, they too could pop by the shop and say "where's my money?". A threatening e-mail carries very little weight, but a 6'5' guy looming over you is a bit more uncomfortable. While the law states that you cannot open a can of whoop *** on a deadbeat buyer, you never know how clearly that guy is thinking and whether or not he is willing to go to jail over $30k. I guess that's why Sam keeps his gun at work. Last edited by Mike@GTM; 09-17-2014 at 03:23 AM. |
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So wow. Yeah, he knew that the kits would never be built. Ok well, there's your legal action folks. I don't think his LLC will protect him from a fraud charge.
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As for the Mitsubishi failures, that would have been a huge problem and would've killed the company just as quick as not doing anything at all. It was a rock and hard place position, no doubt. The conundrum is that there is no one single thing that destroyed GTM. There are a lot of factors and a lot of variables. However, the thing I always seem to come back to is that ethics has a lot to do with it. ******** will get you to the top, but it won't keep you there. Last edited by Mike@GTM; 09-16-2014 at 09:16 PM. |
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But they had other issues, manifolds, etc... And I'm right there with you on the last statement. I am actually really sad the ride is over... It's been over for a while... Just more amazing that it's actually for sure on it's last legs
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Once Sam got back, everything went back to "business as usual", only worse because he hadn't really taken the time to recover from his surgery and was practically useless through no fault of his own. His short term memory was gone. I mean, he couldn't remember a conversation he had 30 seconds ago. I don't know if he has recovered from his short term memory loss or not, but someone that is mentally handicapped to that degree shouldn't be running a business and most definitely not be responsible for other people's money. |
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Wow, I don't even know what to say... other than I'm glad I got my refund. Everything makes sense now though, and Mike, thanks for that. I have also talked to Mike several times, and Pablo as well. For about a month straight I talked to pablo on a daily basis. That being said, I do believe Mike and Pablo, as well as all other employees at gtm are great, knowledgable guys. The only problem was Sam, and thats unfortunate. I wish all gtm employees the best, and anyone that still has money tied up with Sam, I truly hope you get what you are owed one way or another.
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That's dedication IMHO....
I'd have sold my house though, to have my name last!
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... I might have missed it, but whatever happened to that project?
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