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Wow... so sorry to hear about the issues. As another fellow FI member, it literally sickens me to my stomach to have to see this thread to begin with. They

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Old 05-21-2014, 01:15 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Wow... so sorry to hear about the issues. As another fellow FI member, it literally sickens me to my stomach to have to see this thread to begin with. They can place blame all they want, however it was extremely irresponsible on their part to keep the car on the Dyno and tune it if it wasn't making the correct boost to begin with. Then to top it off, give it back to you to drive.

You can manipulate Dyno numbers to whatever you want. If this sheet that was given to you is legitimate and wasn't tampered with and is your actual Dyno sheet, then I can tell you that the tune is way out of its safety threshold. There's noway in hell you should see 402ft-lbs @ 8PSI. Way too aggressive on the tune. It does also look like something was being covered up since it doesn't show numbers past 6,950RPMs.

The whole Sam debacle going down is messed up beyond words, but I can say when/if you do actually receive the product it performs as should IF installed properly.



Infidel, I really hope you do get some type of closure man. Such a horrible situation.
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Old 05-21-2014, 01:27 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Email my friend Martin Struk at rsenthalpy@gmail.com and he will set it right. Trust me on this. PM me if you want more details, but Martin is the guy to go to if you are exhausted with trying to get the original shop to sort things out satisfactorily.

He might be able to help you track down an engine too -- feel free to PM me or do a little googling to find out more about him, but he is the #1 person in FL (or really anywhere) for Nissan rebuild, tune, etc.
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One of the first things that should be done to any motor getting worked on is having the motors health checked. Some shops do it some dont.

Second I feel you on the f $ ck factor when I had my motor pop doing a Retune when I had the Stillen kit but like I found out its hard to prove it was the shop or the motor.
unless the motor had a complete check up before the work was done

we all know once you start modding your car your kinda out there on your own.
And I don't know a dealer in the world that would replace your motor
for free after you install a kit on it.

Crazy thing when my motor popped I was at Burger King waiting for the car to be tuned and was called with the motor just let go and you ccan't drive the car. I was so angry it's not even funny.

As a price check it about 5k-6k for a replace motor and it cost me 8200.00 to have my motor built.
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Fvckin hell. Like you haven't been through enough of this $hit already?

Sorry to hear man. GL with whatever direction you take

Still waiting on a post from Bobby, I guess? Seems like he doesn't have much to add to your post
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Man that sucks. Truly sorry to hear about all you had to go through with GTM, and now this.

And this is why it's becoming more and more difficult for me to trust a shop with my car.
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after the build up i bet they dont respond in here.
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after the build up i bet they dont respond in here.
He had to know this was coming. After I talked to him yesterday morning his attitude was that it was my baby now and if I wanted him to do a rebuild he'd give me a break. At that point there wasn't any reason to talk, yell or threaten as his response would of went downhill from there. I would have just gotten my blood pressure up for nothing, it was already up when I called bigtime.
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Sorry about your situation but this is the very reason my NA motors stay NA.
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I'm thinking Outside the box here. could it not be the install but faulty components? The pieces came from gtm after a lot of nagging. For all we know, that kit may have been a rebuilt rma one. Perhaps even a junk one sent out to finish a deal. I'm just saying. I don't think there is or ever will be a final verdict on who and what is really responsibility.
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I'm thinking Outside the box here. could it not be the install but faulty components? The pieces came from gtm after a lot of nagging. For all we know, that kit may have been a rebuilt rma one. Perhaps even a junk one sent out to finish a deal. I'm just saying. I don't think there is or ever will be a final verdict on who and what is really responsibility.
The only problem with the components besides being late was a faulty BPV. Most of the kit is outsourced parts, mostly brackets and bolts are engineered by GTM

BTW....Bobby is reading/responding to the thread now. I see his screen name down below
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I couldn't agree more gtm does not care about anyone they sell to these days and is already known for selling used damaged used parts. Getting back to bobby at vsr, I would have tried to remain calm before going on a witch-hunt and allowing him to voice his opinion of his side before completely bashing. He is going to be posting up the dyno's and logs today. Just curious but how much were you beating on the car after you got it back? Maybe I should have started a thread about how z1 blew my motor too since it seemed to run fine before I even got there for a tune.. Going fi is a risk on any car not already setup for it.
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I couldn't agree more gtm does not care about anyone they sell to these days and is already known for selling used damaged used parts. Getting back to bobby at vsr, I would have tried to remain calm before going on a witch-hunt and allowing him to voice his opinion of his side before completely bashing. He is going to be posting up the dyno's and logs today. Just curious but how much were you beating on the car after you got it back? Maybe I should have started a thread about how z1 blew my motor too since it seemed to run fine before I even got there for a tune.. Going fi is a risk on any car not already setup for it.
There were no used/damaged parts in my order, the stories I've heard when this happens is it's VERY apparent when the package is opened that the item was damaged/used, it hasn't happened very often. I'm not on a witch-hunt as you call it I simply explained my situation and Bobby is welcome to state his opinion on what happened. Posting charts right now is irrelevant for the most part for the simple reason I don't believe the dyno sheet he gave me wasn't modified in some way so posting more of the same proves nothing, at least to me. Please don't imply through suggestion that I 'beat' on the car when I got it. It ran like sh*t so there's no point in beating a dead horse if it aint going anywhere. Your situtation is MUCH more different than mine what so ever. Sounds like you talked to him, tell him he's wasting his time posting fraudulent charts.
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There were no used/damaged parts in my order, the stories I've heard when this happens is it's VERY apparent when the package is opened that the item was damaged/used, it hasn't happened very often. I'm not on a witch-hunt as you call it I simply explained my situation and Bobby is welcome to state his opinion on what happened. Posting charts right now is irrelevant for the most part for the simple reason I don't believe the dyno sheet he gave me wasn't modified in some way so posting more of the same proves nothing, at least to me. Please don't imply through suggestion that I 'beat' on the car when I got it. It ran like sh*t so there's no point in beating a dead horse if it aint going anywhere. Your situtation is MUCH more different than mine what so ever. Sounds like you talked to him, tell him he's wasting his time posting fraudulent charts.
Plus, the dead motor wasn't the first fuckup he made. He fumbled his way through the entire install. People install that kit in their garage no problems but homie can't manage it with a shop?

If the motor was mistake #1 this would be a different conversation. But the more mistakes you make the less benefit of the doubt you get.
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I couldn't agree more gtm does not care about anyone they sell to these days and is already known for selling used damaged used parts. Getting back to bobby at vsr, I would have tried to remain calm before going on a witch-hunt and allowing him to voice his opinion of his side before completely bashing. He is going to be posting up the dyno's and logs today. Just curious but how much were you beating on the car after you got it back? Maybe I should have started a thread about how z1 blew my motor too since it seemed to run fine before I even got there for a tune.. Going fi is a risk on any car not already setup for it.
I agree with the going forced induction being a risk factor, however a motor shouldn't give within 2 weeks. Let's say hypothetically the motor had problems prior to them touching it. How many other VQs that were in their possession clunked? We're they “1 and 100" too?

There should always be a strong recommendation of doing a compression and leak down test anytime you're making major changes to the engine that will cause more strain on the internals. Both parties should know of this and if the person who owns the vehicle is not aware of these tests then the shop sure as hell should take the responsibility and time to let the customer know of possible complications before taking someone's money and saying, "Not our fault, but I'll give you a deal on a built motor."
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FYI PRS in Sanford has an extra VQ37VHR longblock in their shop they are looking to sell, I also trust them much more than RevWorks with my Z if youre looking for another shop.
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