Well z1 has 2 also mine included under their belt. It happens guys, soon or later without a built block. As a rule of thumb, if you do not have the funds later on when and if things like this happen you should not have gone fi. Our motors already are high compression and are not built for boost like the all mighty gtr..

I understand but I don't believe my situation went down like that. If I put 5K-10K miles on it and it popped then I get it....explianation applied. But my car never ran right from the get-go. It never should have left VSR until it was right.

That's horrible.

I'm with you buddy, if in fact vsr is at fault they should step up and do the right thing considering how much you have already been through.. They just built my long block and you can rest assure if anything happens to it there will be legal repercussions and I made that Very clear to bobby...

was it a bearing or a piston that went? I can't remember which of the other threads it was in but they said they were they couldn't get the oil lines from gtm to fit so they made their own or something right? what if they F'd up putting that together and it wasn't getting enough oil?

Edit: How many leftover parts did they have in the box after the instal haha

I really thought Bobby would have responded by now, must of been a long day. I don't expect much. When he said he would give me a 'deal' earlier this morning I was ready to explode, I just kept my mouth shut. I don't understand how he thinks I should come out of pocket thousands of dollars for a motor that grenaded with a SC install.

I believe you're taliking about their TT.

I'm curious even if proven the tune was faulty for whatever reason is there really sny legal action that can be taken? Or are you forced th hope the shop admits error and corrects with no cost to you.

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actually i was talking about this from it has shipped!!!!

This really suck guys. At the end of the day you know you got to get the car running again. Perhaps you could sell the SC kit and use the money towards rebuilding the motor? If you have a line of credit maybe keep the SC and do a performance build. Down the road having a built motor with the SC will give you more satisfaction.

At the end of the day it's just money and you have a lifetime to earn more. Hopefully things work out for you.


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Again to trying to beat a dead horse, but if it got to a judge, the judge will ask for proof the engine was tampered with in a manor to cause the failure, and the dealer will respond with what, a bolt is loose? It won't fly, trust me, been there, lost that ;). However, there is a member on the forum that had an engine replaced twice with his car boosted, some dealers just don't care, it will depend on their warranty expense that month, that will be the only reason they will look to deny it, no one wants a motor claim under non-discretionary. Again, it just depends on the goal of the car, if it were me, that is the route I would take, the SC kits are far less intrusive that the turbo kits, as long as VSR did not make any of their own permanent modifications and followed the bolt on instructions, I would go for it, the kit has to come off at some point anyway...I actually considered the VSR kit for awhile, but they only do in-house builds, at lease now if my motor goes to installation error I can only blame myself! To be honest, I would not have boosted this car if I did not have a shop to work in and the knowledge I have(not saying Im a mechanical genius) but I would have bough my HP, c7 looks awfully good for the price point! My second route would be used motor, sell the SC kit, trade trade that b^$%h in.

Could the motor have just let go? Sure, it could have happened that way. But considering how much difficulty VSR had getting the SC installed and running right in the first place and then the motor just happens to let go right after, I'm very inclined to believe they fubar'd the install and tune.

They had some issues with the outlined problems. Oil cooler, oil pan etc didn't just hook up like GTM said according to them but they they said they handled it. I have no idea when I'll be able to have the engine broken down.

let a lesson be learned here...when you receive a car back from serious modification..take it easy at first. Specifically with boost...start by slowly rolling into the throttle a few times... don't hammer it on your first drive. If you suspect problems, nurse it home and diagnose.

Anyone know what a rebuilt long block from Nissan goes for?

courtesy says 6027.06 for a long block and 3626.06 for a short block

Wow... so sorry to hear about the issues. As another fellow FI member, it literally sickens me to my stomach to have to see this thread to begin with. They can place blame all they want, however it was extremely irresponsible on their part to keep the car on the Dyno and tune it if it wasn't making the correct boost to begin with. Then to top it off, give it back to you to drive.

You can manipulate Dyno numbers to whatever you want. If this sheet that was given to you is legitimate and wasn't tampered with and is your actual Dyno sheet, then I can tell you that the tune is way out of its safety threshold. There's noway in hell you should see 402ft-lbs @ 8PSI. Way too aggressive on the tune. It does also look like something was being covered up since it doesn't show numbers past 6,950RPMs.

The whole Sam debacle going down is messed up beyond words, but I can say when/if you do actually receive the product it performs as should IF installed properly.



Infidel, I really hope you do get some type of closure man. Such a horrible situation.

Email my friend Martin Struk at rsenthalpy@gmail.com and he will set it right. Trust me on this. PM me if you want more details, but Martin is the guy to go to if you are exhausted with trying to get the original shop to sort things out satisfactorily.

He might be able to help you track down an engine too -- feel free to PM me or do a little googling to find out more about him, but he is the #1 person in FL (or really anywhere) for Nissan rebuild, tune, etc.

One of the first things that should be done to any motor getting worked on is having the motors health checked. Some shops do it some dont.

Second I feel you on the f $ ck factor when I had my motor pop doing a Retune when I had the Stillen kit but like I found out its hard to prove it was the shop or the motor.
unless the motor had a complete check up before the work was done

we all know once you start modding your car your kinda out there on your own.
And I don't know a dealer in the world that would replace your motor
for free after you install a kit on it.

Crazy thing when my motor popped I was at Burger King waiting for the car to be tuned and was called with the motor just let go and you ccan't drive the car. I was so angry it's not even funny.

As a price check it about 5k-6k for a replace motor and it cost me 8200.00 to have my motor built.

Fvckin hell. Like you haven't been through enough of this $hit already? :shakes head:

Sorry to hear man. GL with whatever direction you take :tiphat:

Still waiting on a post from Bobby, I guess? Seems like he doesn't have much to add to your post :ugh2:

Man that sucks. Truly sorry to hear about all you had to go through with GTM, and now this.

And this is why it's becoming more and more difficult for me to trust a shop with my car.

after the build up i bet they dont respond in here.

Sorry about your situation but this is the very reason my NA motors stay NA.

He had to know this was coming. After I talked to him yesterday morning his attitude was that it was my baby now and if I wanted him to do a rebuild he'd give me a break. At that point there wasn't any reason to talk, yell or threaten as his response would of went downhill from there. I would have just gotten my blood pressure up for nothing, it was already up when I called bigtime.

I'm thinking Outside the box here. could it not be the install but faulty components? The pieces came from gtm after a lot of nagging. For all we know, that kit may have been a rebuilt rma one. Perhaps even a junk one sent out to finish a deal. I'm just saying. I don't think there is or ever will be a final verdict on who and what is really responsibility.

The only problem with the components besides being late was a faulty BPV. Most of the kit is outsourced parts, mostly brackets and bolts are engineered by GTM

BTW....Bobby is reading/responding to the thread now. I see his screen name down below

I couldn't agree more gtm does not care about anyone they sell to these days and is already known for selling used damaged used parts. Getting back to bobby at vsr, I would have tried to remain calm before going on a witch-hunt and allowing him to voice his opinion of his side before completely bashing. He is going to be posting up the dyno's and logs today. Just curious but how much were you beating on the car after you got it back? Maybe I should have started a thread about how z1 blew my motor too since it seemed to run fine before I even got there for a tune.. Going fi is a risk on any car not already setup for it.

There were no used/damaged parts in my order, the stories I've heard when this happens is it's VERY apparent when the package is opened that the item was damaged/used, it hasn't happened very often. I'm not on a witch-hunt as you call it I simply explained my situation and Bobby is welcome to state his opinion on what happened. Posting charts right now is irrelevant for the most part for the simple reason I don't believe the dyno sheet he gave me wasn't modified in some way so posting more of the same proves nothing, at least to me. Please don't imply through suggestion that I 'beat' on the car when I got it. It ran like sh*t so there's no point in beating a dead horse if it aint going anywhere. Your situtation is MUCH more different than mine what so ever. Sounds like you talked to him, tell him he's wasting his time posting fraudulent charts.

FYI PRS in Sanford has an extra VQ37VHR longblock in their shop they are looking to sell, I also trust them much more than RevWorks with my Z if youre looking for another shop.

Plus, the dead motor wasn't the first fuckup he made. He fumbled his way through the entire install. People install that kit in their garage no problems but homie can't manage it with a shop?

If the motor was mistake #1 this would be a different conversation. But the more mistakes you make the less benefit of the doubt you get.

Will have to keep that in mind, thanks.

Daym

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I am not a very smart guy and certainly not with a wrench, but isn't there a certain amount of risk one accepts by chasing higher hp in any car?

I know, the question doesn't help. :( If this were a chat room, I'd wait for the OP to be away before asking. :\

I hope you get this sorted. That's a lotta money and heartache that I certainly wouldn't be happy about if I were in your shoes.

Makes you wonder about this one they built- http://www.the370z.com/370z-sale/883...bo-533whp.html

Just got finished and now up for sale?

I'm sure Sam can get you out a new longblock right away....

What's with all these vendors screwing the z community?

That funny right there. :icon18:

Tow truck just delivered my Z, what a sad sight.

1:15AM here but can't sleep! sorry to hear about your car mate, really sucks after all you have gone through so far, hope you get it sorted soon and actually get to enjoy it!

I agree with the going forced induction being a risk factor, however a motor shouldn't give within 2 weeks. Let's say hypothetically the motor had problems prior to them touching it. How many other VQs that were in their possession clunked? We're they “1 and 100" too?

There should always be a strong recommendation of doing a compression and leak down test anytime you're making major changes to the engine that will cause more strain on the internals. Both parties should know of this and if the person who owns the vehicle is not aware of these tests then the shop sure as hell should take the responsibility and time to let the customer know of possible complications before taking someone's money and saying, "Not our fault, but I'll give you a deal on a built motor."

People install these kits left and right with no mechanical experience, and these guys can't? What are we paying for ? If shop rate is around 100 bucks an hour you better know what you're doing. And it's not like we are reinventing the wheel here. Each kit bolts right on! This is brutal and pretty much what we are all worried about when we get our car back from a shop.