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Cell 05-16-2014 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Super Werty (Post 2821732)
same end results? not even close honestly. The FI kit is making tons more power and torque much much sooner than the BP kit and at less boost pressure...

to give an example...just looking at graphs both companies have posted on here...

FI 9.7 psi 3K rpm ---- 210rwhp 360rwtq
BP 12psi 3K rpm ---- 130rwhp 230rwtq

FI 9.7 psi 4Krpm ---- 335rwhp 435rwtq
BP 12 psi 4Krpm ---- 285rwhp 370rwhp

Did you look at the source before you pull the numbers?

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk (Post 2821752)
Not knocking your findings, but E85 plays a huge role as well as ign timing. I've never seen a BP hail Mary run, I've seen like 5 F.I. hail Mary runs. Yes F.I.' kit will spool quicker, but not what you're making it out to be.

^^ This

elperuano 05-16-2014 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super Werty (Post 2821732)
same end results? not even close honestly. The FI kit is making tons more power and torque much much sooner than the BP kit and at less boost pressure...

to give an example...just looking at graphs both companies have posted on here...

FI 9.7 psi 3K rpm ---- 210rwhp 360rwtq
BP 12psi 3K rpm ---- 130rwhp 230rwtq

FI 9.7 psi 4Krpm ---- 335rwhp 435rwtq
BP 12 psi 4Krpm ---- 285rwhp 370rwhp

....sigh... just read what SS read and you'll be alright.
To the OP be very wary when reading into numbers. As u can tell people try to run different fuel setups and think it's all the same. As was stated most FI kits run e85 and u cannot compare that to PUMP gas. As I said before a pump gas FI setup and a pump gad BP setup is very similar end result.

Infidel 05-16-2014 03:50 PM

If the OP is gonna finance the kit, install AND all supporting mods (since we know nothing of what he has already) it would be bad advice to encourage this adventure, not to mention irresposible. If he's gonna do the install himself and has most of the supporting mods already then it would be up to his ability to make payments and still live the way he does now. I believe the OP needs to give this purchase some serious thought BEFORE he pulls the trigger.

Cell 05-16-2014 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Infidel (Post 2821760)
If the OP is gonna finance the kit, install AND all supporting mods (since we know nothing of what he has already) it would be bad advice to encourage this adventure, not to mention irresposible. If he's gonna do the install himself and has most of the supporting mods already the it would be up to his ability to make payments and still live the way he does now. I believe the OP needs to give this purchase some serious thought BEFORE he pulls the trigger.

I actually put the entire turbo kit on a 0% interest credit card. Card is paid off before I can take advantage of the full 15 month 0% interest. I don't recommend it as it is risky but if he can pay it off then it is fine.

DavidZ370 05-16-2014 04:07 PM

TO each respectively his own but personally i would not finance something like this man good things take time, if you could hold off until you save enough to pay the kit in full you will most likely enjoy it more instead of stressing over monthly payments and what not. just my 002 cents

Super Werty 05-16-2014 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk (Post 2821752)
Not knocking your findings, but E85 plays a huge role as well as ign timing. I've never seen a BP hail Mary run, I've seen like 5 F.I. hail Mary runs. Yes F.I.' kit will spool quicker, but not what you're making it out to be.

that FI curve is on pump 91:tup: on their 540rwhp dyno run compared to BP's 550 rwhp dyno


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Cell 05-16-2014 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Super Werty (Post 2821783)

Numbers are great to be compared with only if it is on the same dyno with the same tuner.

Different factors can change things. The BP graph that you showed, I believe belongs to jmacs and the one I showed is galeforce's. You can tell which one is tuned more aggressive and which is conservative.

Boosted Performance 05-16-2014 04:43 PM


OP, you can't go wrong with either one of these kits. Both are build with the same quality, and both Tony and I stand behind our products.

The two kits are however very different, but offer similar performance results. The two graphs above show you that both kits are capable of 10psi at 3,500rpm. The rest of the numbers will all depend on the tuner, and how comfortable he is with the fuel, timing, confidence in the engine, use of the car (road/track)...ect.

Super Werty 05-16-2014 04:44 PM

I understand that.. And I'm not trying to diss BP here. It's a nice kit! But show me a trap speed for BP. Fast intentions did 126mph on their 100 octane tune 10psi

elperuano 05-16-2014 04:48 PM

^lol this guy.
FI kit costs thousands more and that's not including install. What are u trying to get at?

Super Werty 05-16-2014 04:52 PM

In my opinion the two kits are not comparable power wise.. That is all. You are correct though.. One is a lot more affordable...

Cell 05-16-2014 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Super Werty (Post 2821883)
In my opinion the two kits are not comparable power wise.. That is all. You are correct though.. One is a lot more affordable...

Do you even have a turbo 370z?

Super Werty 05-16-2014 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Cell (Post 2821897)
Do you even have a turbo 370z?

I do not. What does that have to do with it? All I showed you guys were two dynos from the manufacturers.

If BP made better numbers later on more power to them! I think that is awesome :tup:

It's only my personal preference, you dont have to agree with me guys:tup:

DasBurkey 05-16-2014 05:16 PM

Now my question is why dont they have a 93 tune for these kits? The labor of the install is no prob since I work at a shop. Im not sure which type of supporting mods I need. I new to the FI area. My Z only has mxp exhaust and stillen gen3. Ive held off on performance mods due to the fact I want FI. This is my weekend car so its not a daily, im not gonna run e85, I will only run pump gas. As far as the kit, they both show great numbers but I jus cant seem to choose and I appreciate everyones input on this

Cell 05-16-2014 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Super Werty (Post 2821927)
I do not. What does that have to do with it? All I showed you guys were two dynos from the manufacturers.

If BP made better numbers later on more power to them! I think that is awesome :tup:

It's only my personal preference, you dont have to agree with me guys:tup:

If you do a bit of research on tuning you will understand how the numbers are the way they are.

FI tuned there car very aggressive to get the advertised numbers for a reason.

I also showed you numbers proving that the two kits can put out similar numbers. If anything BP is slightly lower in numbers compared to FI.

You are trying to compare and justify the two with extreme differences. Not exactly the best way to look at things but I guess it is what makes your boat floats.


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