nitrous?

paypa · 09-13-2009, 04:07 PM

NOS doesn't scare you guys? I've never used it or ever even researched it. Just hearing about cars blowing up when they crash is what scares me...Please correct me if it is safer than it is perceived to be.

zulus370Z · 09-13-2009, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing

If that includes a progressive controller, then $2200 installed and tuned sounds like a great price to me.

Nope, the progressive controller is an additional 1000 and the install labor 4 that was like $400

zulus370Z · 09-13-2009, 04:58 PM

I had someone rear end me while I had my bottle in the trunk and it was okay. You are making a bigger deal than it is.

Snakes709 · 09-13-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by paypa

NOS doesn't scare you guys? I've never used it or ever even researched it. Just hearing about cars blowing up when they crash is what scares me...Please correct me if it is safer than it is perceived to be.

i dont mean to be a ******* but it seems like u been watching to much fast and the furious.

1. Its not called NOS. Its N20 or Nitrous...NOS is a brand name
2. Very little...and i mean little chance that it will blow if u get in a accident. Unlike in the first F&F where they shoot the car and it blows up....not going to happen.
3. Nitrous is safe if you know how to use it...like someone said before...its these retards with a honda civic that put a 150shot in a stock engine...its going to blow a piston or something. But you can safely put a 100-125shot in a 370z if you A. hook it up right. B. know when to spray it and for how long.

paypa · 09-13-2009, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakes709

i dont mean to be a ******* but it seems like u been watching to much fast and the furious.

1. Its not called NOS. Its N20 or Nitrous...NOS is a brand name
2. Very little...and i mean little chance that it will blow if u get in a accident. Unlike in the first F&F where they shoot the car and it blows up....not going to happen.
3. Nitrous is safe if you know how to use it...like someone said before...its these retards with a honda civic that put a 150shot in a stock engine...its going to blow a piston or something. But you can safely put a 100-125shot in a 370z if you A. hook it up right. B. know when to spray it and for how long.

HaHa I don't think you are an a$$hole at all. Or maybe I'm just use to a$$holes because i've been on the benz forums for a few years now. Everyone talks crap and act like they are mr. know it all over the forums and get their daily nut by making someone else look stupid because they know something that the person asking the question doesn't.

Thanks for the info though. Like I said before I've never dealt with Nitrous at all I guess because it's not a big Euro thing. Have fun talking crap now though, just like all the other people on the benz forums when I first posted did. However, once I get this all down (which I will) I will be the one with the last laugh.

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Originally Posted by zulus370Z

I had someone rear end me while I had my bottle in the trunk and it was okay. You are making a bigger deal than it is.

Yeah that's what I figured, but like I said I have no clue. That's why I asked. Thanks for the reassurance though.

Snakes709 · 09-13-2009, 08:55 PM

im still new to nitrous, just read alot on it and still learning. Might put nitrous in the car, might not. Havent decided how i wanna blow my car up yet.

zulus370Z · 09-14-2009, 11:42 AM

Back in the day I ran a 75 dry shot ( which is the worst) on a 99 Civic SI for quite sometime.
I really knew how to control it ( only sprayed under 8 seconds) and checked my spark plugs regularly. Checking spark plugs and doing compression checks became part of my regular maintenance- kinda like checking your oil level.

Nitrous is a very simple setup, that has 2 huge variables, which are what can become detrimental for your vehicle... Fuel and heat.

Dry kits only spray N20, while wet kits spray N20 and fuel, but only through 1 nozzle, which distributes the nitrous unevenly through out the cylinders.... naturally, the cylinder closes to the throttle body ( where the N20 comes in to the motor) gets more n2o than the other cylinders, thus causing more heat and stress to the motor... so if anything, you want to follow up with that cylinder more than others... and then you have the direct ports which equally spray all cylinders... this one could be considered the safest, but also the most expensive and with more variables.... With nitrous, you depend on selenoids to feed the N20 and fuel, and unfortunantely these selenoids fail, and stick sometimes... so naturally, with more selenoids, more chances of a mechanical failure.... so for all safety, always monitor your engine and if possible get a wide band oxygen sensor which will let you know when you're leaning out... meaning too much air (n20 in this case) and not enough fuel.

Snakes709 · 09-14-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by zulus370Z

Back in the day I ran a 75 dry shot ( which is the worst) on a 99 Civic SI for quite sometime.
I really knew how to control it ( only sprayed under 8 seconds) and checked my spark plugs regularly. Checking spark plugs and doing compression checks became part of my regular maintenance- kinda like checking your oil level.

Nitrous is a very simple setup, that has 2 huge variables, which are what can become detrimental for your vehicle... Fuel and heat.

Dry kits only spray N20, while wet kits spray N20 and fuel, but only through 1 nozzle, which distributes the nitrous unevenly through out the cylinders.... naturally, the cylinder closes to the throttle body ( where the N20 comes in to the motor) gets more n2o than the other cylinders, thus causing more heat and stress to the motor... so if anything, you want to follow up with that cylinder more than others... and then you have the direct ports which equally spray all cylinders... this one could be considered the safest, but also the most expensive and with more variables.... With nitrous, you depend on selenoids to feed the N20 and fuel, and unfortunantely these selenoids fail, and stick sometimes... so naturally, with more selenoids, more chances of a mechanical failure.... so for all safety, always monitor your engine and if possible get a wide band oxygen sensor which will let you know when you're leaning out... meaning too much air (n20 in this case) and not enough fuel.

If i went with nitrous i would go direct port. However since the 370 has 2 throttle bodies wouldnt it be abit safer then a car with only 1 throttle body. I know its not safer then direct port but with a 4 banger, 1 throttle body feeding 4 cylinders....with the 370z its 1 throttle body feeding 3 cylinders...i think it would be a tiny bit safer...not alot but better then a 4 banger, am i correct?

paypa · 09-14-2009, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Snakes709

If i went with nitrous i would go direct port. However since the 370 has 2 throttle bodies wouldnt it be abit safer then a car with only 1 throttle body. I know its not safer then direct port but with a 4 banger, 1 throttle body feeding 4 cylinders....with the 370z its 1 throttle body feeding 3 cylinders...i think it would be a tiny bit safer...not alot but better then a 4 banger, am i correct?

If I read correctly, yes it will be a tiny (very tiny) bit safer for your engine. But in reality the point still remains that the spray is still uneven if it is not directly ported...but Zulu what do you mean by more variables?

1slow370 · 09-15-2009, 04:32 AM

I would say the 370 could easily handle a 75-100 shot from the 2 throttle ports, and while direct port is the best the manifold on these cars is designed sooo equally that misdistribution is much less of a problem. Take the manifold off and look at how the runners are shaped and you'll see what i mean. As for safety your car won't explode if the bottle breaks open in FF that was actually because he was racing with a bar of Plastiq in the car. I've screwed around with N2O before (it's really fun) and all it does is make things burn faster and hotter. You can turn salami or a candle into an rocket with it but you can't make them explodeso in the event of an accident if you're N2O cylinder were to rupture you would only have a problem if you were trapped in the vehicle because there would be one nasty fire but no bang.

Also consider that you can buy a DOT approved gas cylinder to keep it in like all the the other MILLIONS of gas cylinders transported in the US daily. My grandpa had a cylinder of PURE O2 that was twice the size of most nitrous bottles and he got in three accidents (2 major) before we took his keys.

paypa · 09-15-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370

I would say the 370 could easily handle a 75-100 shot from the 2 throttle ports, and while direct port is the best the manifold on these cars is designed sooo equally that misdistribution is much less of a problem. Take the manifold off and look at how the runners are shaped and you'll see what i mean. As for safety your car won't explode if the bottle breaks open in FF that was actually because he was racing with a bar of Plastiq in the car. I've screwed around with N2O before (it's really fun) and all it does is make things burn faster and hotter. You can turn salami or a candle into an rocket with it but you can't make them explodeso in the event of an accident if you're N2O cylinder were to rupture you would only have a problem if you were trapped in the vehicle because there would be one nasty fire but no bang.

Also consider that you can buy a DOT approved gas cylinder to keep it in like all the the other MILLIONS of gas cylinders transported in the US daily. My grandpa had a cylinder of PURE O2 that was twice the size of most nitrous bottles and he got in three accidents (2 major) before we took his keys.

Thank you! This was the answer I was looking for. Before I talked to a friend I was pretty convinced myself after you all had said it wasn't like F&F that for nitrous companies to be in business I doubt people would keep buying / driving around with time bombs in their car and I has figured by now and also mentioned to him there has to be some type of bottle or enclosure that would prevent explosion but he pretty much rejected that idea saying "what do you think would happen if you shot a bottle of N2O with a gun or crashed going 200 MPH in a very (talking down to me) manner. Since he is a JDM head or at least thinks he is and EURO has always been my scene and N2O isn't big with EUROS nobody ever talks about it and i just assumed what he was saying was true considering the fact that N2O is pretty much completely foreign to me. The 2 scenarios he supplied are completely ridiculous but me knowing nothing about N2O just left me giving up that battle just to keep thinking it was explosive.

THANKS FOR CLEARING THAT ALL UP THOUGH!

How did you know that guy has a bar of plastique in the car in F&F though? Was there a scene that showed that, that I missed?

FuszNissan · 09-15-2009, 11:13 AM

Make sure you run a bottle warmer to keep the pressure more stable, and use cooler spark plugs also.

KingDavid · 09-15-2009, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by paypa

NOS doesn't scare you guys? I've never used it or ever even researched it. Just hearing about cars blowing up when they crash is what scares me...Please correct me if it is safer than it is perceived to be.

Ignorance creates fear.

KingDavid · 09-15-2009, 12:26 PM

Nitrous is not combustible. It will not blow up your car F&F style.

Snakes709 · 09-15-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FuszNissan

Make sure you run a bottle warmer to keep the pressure more stable, and use cooler spark plugs also.

i ran 1 step colder plugs in my cobalt when i had stage 2, then switched to 2 step colder plugs when i swaped the m62 supercharger for the harrop tvs. So i know about colder plugs but what type of colder plugs are for the 370z? Do you have a part number?

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zulus370Z Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Miami Posts: 97 Drives: Black 370Z 6M Rep Power: 16	I had someone rear end me while I had my bottle in the trunk and it was okay. You are making a bigger deal than it is.

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Snakes709 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton Posts: 1,205 Drives: 2011 Evo-X GSR Rep Power: 18	im still new to nitrous, just read alot on it and still learning. Might put nitrous in the car, might not. Havent decided how i wanna blow my car up yet.

09-14-2009, 11:42 AM	#22 (permalink)
zulus370Z Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Miami Posts: 97 Drives: Black 370Z 6M Rep Power: 16	Back in the day I ran a 75 dry shot ( which is the worst) on a 99 Civic SI for quite sometime. I really knew how to control it ( only sprayed under 8 seconds) and checked my spark plugs regularly. Checking spark plugs and doing compression checks became part of my regular maintenance- kinda like checking your oil level. Nitrous is a very simple setup, that has 2 huge variables, which are what can become detrimental for your vehicle... Fuel and heat. Dry kits only spray N20, while wet kits spray N20 and fuel, but only through 1 nozzle, which distributes the nitrous unevenly through out the cylinders.... naturally, the cylinder closes to the throttle body ( where the N20 comes in to the motor) gets more n2o than the other cylinders, thus causing more heat and stress to the motor... so if anything, you want to follow up with that cylinder more than others... and then you have the direct ports which equally spray all cylinders... this one could be considered the safest, but also the most expensive and with more variables.... With nitrous, you depend on selenoids to feed the N20 and fuel, and unfortunantely these selenoids fail, and stick sometimes... so naturally, with more selenoids, more chances of a mechanical failure.... so for all safety, always monitor your engine and if possible get a wide band oxygen sensor which will let you know when you're leaning out... meaning too much air (n20 in this case) and not enough fuel.

09-15-2009, 04:32 AM	#25 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	I would say the 370 could easily handle a 75-100 shot from the 2 throttle ports, and while direct port is the best the manifold on these cars is designed sooo equally that misdistribution is much less of a problem. Take the manifold off and look at how the runners are shaped and you'll see what i mean. As for safety your car won't explode if the bottle breaks open in FF that was actually because he was racing with a bar of Plastiq in the car. I've screwed around with N2O before (it's really fun) and all it does is make things burn faster and hotter. You can turn salami or a candle into an rocket with it but you can't make them explodeso in the event of an accident if you're N2O cylinder were to rupture you would only have a problem if you were trapped in the vehicle because there would be one nasty fire but no bang. Also consider that you can buy a DOT approved gas cylinder to keep it in like all the the other MILLIONS of gas cylinders transported in the US daily. My grandpa had a cylinder of PURE O2 that was twice the size of most nitrous bottles and he got in three accidents (2 major) before we took his keys.

09-15-2009, 12:26 PM	#29 (permalink)
KingDavid Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Miami Posts: 176 Drives: A car Rep Power: 16	Nitrous is not combustible. It will not blow up your car F&F style.