GT Motorsports: 370Z Supercharger system development

370zdub · 02-01-2010, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by blue660r01

Sponsors----you bash another company in your thread. I wont buy from you being it seems you have nothing to do other than hate on other companies and it gives you a insecure look

Members---- you look like douche bags.

MMC Racing · 02-01-2010, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by blue660r01

Put your money where your mouth is big boy. Just like you seem to post in this thread easily....take it to the track and prove your mouth is worthy as your typing.

Makes me pissed when people bash a paying sponsors thread. MMC racing?? (got nothing against him personally btw but making an example) hmmmm sounds like it should be a paying member huh? Keep the **** out of the thread if you dont like it. All I gotta say. *drops mic*

Take it to a track? We are going to race at 2 different tracks 3000 miles away and compare the times somehow?

I'm not a shop owner or in the automotive industry in any way. Nice try.

370zdub · 02-01-2010, 12:12 AM

oh oh I almost forgot,

IBTL!

1slow370 · 02-01-2010, 12:12 AM

Now just to be sporting here is my question about the MAF placement between the kits, How come no one is setting the MAF sensors in a draw through setup so they can actually measure the volume of air entering the engine before it is compressed, and splicing the IAT wiring off to a manifold sensor to accurately measure the incoming air temperature? I restate my question of whether or not you were able to upgrade the MAP sensor to gauge the amount of pressure in the manifold, or by retaining a mostly stock setup do you plan to simply adjust the fuel tables and VE to go around the problem.

Ok now sam answer my tech question

(oh and it's been almost three weeks now are my test-pipes still on back-order)

02-01-2010, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing

Take it to a track? We are going to race at 2 different tracks 3000 miles away and compare the times somehow?

I'm not a shop owner or in the automotive industry in any way. Nice try.

MMC Racing....Sounds like a shady and fake sponsor name. Do you have hidden business going in via PM? Dont like the accusations for no reason do ya?

Its ok though. Dont come out here. I know I would hand your *** to you anyways.

1slow370 · 02-01-2010, 12:23 AM

Ok i have had my wars with MMC before and i share your anger but lets just chill. (and if you have an LP640 you'd fookin waste him, and if i'm ever out by you can we cruise sometime?)

Oh and this is the GTM supercharger thread someone could get murdered in here and it wouldn't get locked unless they wanted it to

Buddy Revell · 02-01-2010, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing

I always believe in the market. The market is where products are proven one way or another. If the problem is as bad as Sam claims here, then Stillen's testing will prove that out and 1 of 2 things will happen. They will release it anyway or redesign it. If they release it anyway, it will fail to be a successful product. The market will choose the winner.

These are legit questions that potential customers/early adopters should know about. Asking these questions is a lot different than just mindless bashing. Nothing wrong with getting as much info as possible before spending a pretty large amount of money, right?

However, to make sure things don't continue to spiral off the original topic, I do think that questions about the Stillen kit should be asked on their thread and that questions about GTM's kits should be on this thread.

SAM@GTM · 02-01-2010, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370

Now just to be sporting here is my question about the MAF placement between the kits, How come no one is setting the MAF sensors in a draw through setup so they can actually measure the volume of air entering the engine before it is compressed, and splicing the IAT wiring off to a manifold sensor to accurately measure the incoming air temperature? I restate my question of whether or not you were able to upgrade the MAP sensor to gauge the amount of pressure in the manifold, or by retaining a mostly stock setup do you plan to simply adjust the fuel tables and VE to go around the problem.

Ok now sam answer my tech question

(oh and it's been almost three weeks now are my test-pipes still on back-order)

Let start with map sensor, the map sensor that you're seeing is a very low range map sensor or in a better way to describe, it is a barometric press sensor, It is mainly there for altitude compensation.

The key of placing the intake temp sensors as a blow through is to give the ecu the most accurate info possible so the intake temp compensation can be effective .

If you place the sensor in draw through setup, compensation for heat soak condition(for example) will be impossible and if you put it in the charge pipe (the stillen kit) then you are always reading the hot air out the blower .

Therefor placing the maf sensor in a blow through will gave us the most accurate reading of air temp before entering the engine.

Sam

1slow370 · 02-01-2010, 12:42 AM

I know it's a 1bar map thats why i asked if you upgraded it to like a 2bar, but i don't know if uprev supports the map scaling to do this.

What i ment is why not add 2 IAT sensors and splice the wiring from the combined charge sensors nissan gives you to them so that you could have a more accurate draw through MAF as well as charge temp compensation from the IAT's

Edit: I'm fairly competent with EFI and F/I as i've done NA conversions before so i know what the sensors do

Edit2: I'm wondering how you accounted for the increased density since a blow through MAF cannot pick up pressure and the factory sensor can't either

LiquidZ · 02-01-2010, 12:43 AM

GTM, any indication of what HP rating the intercooler is good to?

SAM@GTM · 02-01-2010, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1slow370

I know it's a 1bar map thats why i asked if you upgraded it to like a 2bar, but i don't know if uprev supports the map scaling to do this.

What i ment is why not add 2 IAT sensors and splice the wiring from the combined charge sensors nissan gives you to them so that you could have a more accurate draw through MAF as well as charge temp compensation from the IAT's

Edit: I'm fairly competent with EFI and F/I as i've done NA conversions before so i know what the sensors do

And why would want to tune via Map and not Maf, This is like going backward

Sam

Kyle@STILLEN · 02-01-2010, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SAM@GTM

if you put it in the charge pipe (the stillen kit) then you are always reading the hot air out the blower .

Sam,

Please keep your comments in regards to our supercharger kit to the facts...Your information about our kit is inaccurate.

Best of luck!

SAM@GTM · 02-01-2010, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidZ

GTM, any indication of what HP rating the intercooler is good to?

700HP

Sam

02-01-2010, 12:48 AM

And because of some members....drama has now come to this thread. Thread locked.

LiquidZ · 02-01-2010, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SAM@GTM

700HP

Sam

Thanks.

02-01-2010, 12:12 AM	#723 (permalink)
370zdub Track Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: UT Posts: 628 Drives: 09 370z 6mt,10 Ford Rep Power: 17	oh oh I almost forgot, IBTL! __________________ 2010 Ford 6.4L Power Stroke Diesel: 588whp/1082wtrq 2007 Dodge 6.7L Cummins Diesel: 788whp/1405wtrq, runs 12's @ 7400lbs, Still miss my 370z!

02-01-2010, 12:12 AM	#724 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	Now just to be sporting here is my question about the MAF placement between the kits, How come no one is setting the MAF sensors in a draw through setup so they can actually measure the volume of air entering the engine before it is compressed, and splicing the IAT wiring off to a manifold sensor to accurately measure the incoming air temperature? I restate my question of whether or not you were able to upgrade the MAP sensor to gauge the amount of pressure in the manifold, or by retaining a mostly stock setup do you plan to simply adjust the fuel tables and VE to go around the problem. Ok now sam answer my tech question (oh and it's been almost three weeks now are my test-pipes still on back-order) Last edited by 1slow370; 02-01-2010 at 12:15 AM.

02-01-2010, 12:23 AM	#726 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	Ok i have had my wars with MMC before and i share your anger but lets just chill. (and if you have an LP640 you'd fookin waste him, and if i'm ever out by you can we cruise sometime?) Oh and this is the GTM supercharger thread someone could get murdered in here and it wouldn't get locked unless they wanted it to Last edited by 1slow370; 02-01-2010 at 12:25 AM.

02-01-2010, 12:43 AM	#730 (permalink)
LiquidZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,940 Drives: Mag. Black 2009 370Z Rep Power: 705	GTM, any indication of what HP rating the intercooler is good to? __________________

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02-01-2010, 12:42 AM	#729 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	I know it's a 1bar map thats why i asked if you upgraded it to like a 2bar, but i don't know if uprev supports the map scaling to do this. What i ment is why not add 2 IAT sensors and splice the wiring from the combined charge sensors nissan gives you to them so that you could have a more accurate draw through MAF as well as charge temp compensation from the IAT's Edit: I'm fairly competent with EFI and F/I as i've done NA conversions before so i know what the sensors do Edit2: I'm wondering how you accounted for the increased density since a blow through MAF cannot pick up pressure and the factory sensor can't either

02-01-2010, 12:48 AM	#734 (permalink)
blue660r01 Guest Posts: n/a	And because of some members....drama has now come to this thread. Thread locked.