GTM MHI Kit Group Buy Participants...

Dajerseyrat · 05-23-2014, 10:19 PM

Just a quick question to everyone who ever had a negative experience with GTM and please serious answers here only.

How many of you have heard this phrase from Sam "It was your shop/installer/tuners fault. "......

elperuano · 05-23-2014, 10:57 PM

I'll say that the most disturbing and truest statement is the threads that get cleaned up and factual information deleted as well because a vendor will whine and complain to mods and since they write the checks, they get away with it. Then the newbie who does not do his research will fall in line like a domino. Every car forum does this until the lies and deceit get so blatant mods will abandon said vendor.

Its happened here and it looks like the $hit hit the ceiling which is why you don't see gtm threads being cleaned up (not that I know of).

The icing on the cake is GTM still being a vendor here and allowed to still take peoples money. Numerous members have asked MODS wtf is up with no help or even a response. But they can conveniently clean up VSR threads and still not acknowledge the people here. With no one helping members here, I can't blame GTM. Who wouldn't wanna cash in on this. Screw people over, the admins you pay are on your side and will reward you with more newbies and admins clean up and negative experiences then what's not to love about it????

Hopefully I'll still be here later hahaha.

dmhenderson · 05-23-2014, 11:00 PM

"spewing some"...thing

You literally joined these forums to crap on GTM and no other reason. Would you like to pretend otherwise?... because your forum history speaks for itself.

My problem with you is that I stated a matter-of-fact, agenda-less opinion which you immediately labeled "INTERESTING" and accused me of "buying into GTM's shennanigans" then when I call out your (pretty obvious) agenda, you backpeddle like mad.

Again, I have no problem with what you're doing. I'd probably do the same thing but if you want to start flinging **** around, don't be surprised when some of it gets on you. I have no dog in this fight. All I was doing was offering anecdotal evidence and you decided to be an *** so here we are I guess

dmhenderson · 05-23-2014, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by elperuano

I'll say that the most disturbing and truest statement is the threads that get cleaned up and factual information deleted as well because a vendor will whine and complain to mods and since they write the checks, they get away with it. Then the newbie who does not do his research will fall in line like a domino. Every car forum does this until the lies and deceit get so blatant mods will abandon said vendor.

Its happened here and it looks like the $hit hit the ceiling which is why you don't see gtm threads being cleaned up (not that I know of).

The icing on the cake is GTM still being a vendor here and allowed to still take peoples money. Numerous members have asked MODS wtf is up with no help or even a response. But they can conveniently clean up VSR threads and still not acknowledge the people here. With no one helping members here, I can't blame GTM. Who wouldn't wanna cash in on this. Screw people over, the admins you pay are on your side and will reward you with more newbies and admins clean up and negative experiences then what's not to love about it????

Hopefully I'll still be here later hahaha.

See this right here is the problem. I was afraid of this too and honestly, I don't think it's really an issue. GTM is a forum sponsor but you'd better believe AK or whoever is in charge here isn't going to risk the entire forum for one sponsor that pays a pittance every year to advertise. If AK or the armed branch of ~the370z.com~ decide that GTM is hosing their members, their "sponsor" status will be yanked in a hurry. There is no wacky sinister agenda here. Sam is not in cahoots with forum mods/admins. People are still scratching their heads and trying to figure out what the hell is going on.

In the meantime, DO NOT GIVE GTM YOUR MONEY. Wait and see what happens. Either they'll go bankrupt or this will all be quietly swept under the rug if they refund/fill the orders they've taken.

Please don't start implying that the forum is in on this. That's just dumb. They are regular car guys like the rest of us.

dmhenderson · 05-23-2014, 11:14 PM

So it's late and I'm tired but I'm done with this thread so in summary:

1) If GTM has your money and is being dodgy about returning it, seek legal advice immediately. This is worth hiring a lawyer. The longer you wait, the less likely it is that you'll ever see your money again.

2) GTM has produced quality FI kits in the past. This has no bearing on the present but this isn't vaporware or some pie in the sky ponzi scheme. They have made tons of quality FI kits for many, many cars.

3) Don't give GTM any more money until this is all sorted.

4) Have a fantastic memorial day weekend.

Z_ealot · 05-23-2014, 11:17 PM

elperuano · 05-23-2014, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dmhenderson

See this right here is the problem. I was afraid of this too and honestly, I don't think it's really an issue. GTM is a forum sponsor but you'd better believe AK or whoever is in charge here isn't going to risk the entire forum for one sponsor that pays a pittance every year to advertise. If AK or the armed branch of ~the370z.com~ decide that GTM is hosing their members, their "sponsor" status will be yanked in a hurry. There is no wacky sinister agenda here. Sam is not in cahoots with forum mods/admins. People are still scratching their heads and trying to figure out what the hell is going on.

In the meantime, DO NOT GIVE GTM YOUR MONEY. Wait and see what happens. Either they'll go bankrupt or this will all be quietly swept under the rug if they refund/fill the orders they've taken.

Please don't start implying that the forum is in on this. That's just dumb. They are regular car guys like the rest of us.

Now you're just trying to play blind.
It's clearly in black and white. Lots of members are trying to get their money back from gtm after the lies they were fed. Thread was cleaned up in the beginning by mods saying "on topic please" until the crap hit the fan when they finally said "ok guys good luck will keep this thread open". You yourself are saying don't give gtm money til this clears up. And then when it does you want these same guys to go back and give gtm money AGAIN?

Not sure what you're trying to say but I'm not trying to speak "politically" correct. You wanna brown nose that's all on you. But there's plenty of info here to state otherwise. This ain't the first car forum it HAS happened and certainly won't be the last.

dmhenderson · 05-23-2014, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by elperuano

Now you're just trying to play blind.
It's clearly in black and white. Lots of members are trying to get their money back from gtm after the lies they were fed. Thread was cleaned up in the beginning by mods saying "on topic please" until the crap hit the fan when they finally said "ok guys good luck will keep this thread open". You yourself are saying don't give gtm money til this clears up. And then when it does you want these same guys to go back and give gtm money AGAIN?

Not sure what you're trying to say but I'm not trying to speak "politically" correct. You wanna brown nose that's all on you. But there's plenty of info here to state otherwise. This ain't the first car forum it HAS happened and certainly won't be the last.

No. I said wait and see what happens before you even consider giving them money. If mods were cleaning the thread in the beginning, that's because GTM hasn't done anything like this before. They were jerks and they were SLOW jerks, but no one ever accused them of not delivering product before or taking money in bad faith. This is a whole other can of worms at this point.

Please stop the conspiracy nonsense. No one here stands to profit by "sanitizing" this thread. Clearly, there's a ton of negative, anecdotal evidence here that still stands and hasn't been edited so if the agenda were really to hide GTM's wrongdoings here, all of that would have been edited out already and the people posting it would have been banned/shadowbanned. Use your head.

Ugh. I'm going to bed. If you want to go the wacky "e-lynch party" route, go right ahead I guess.

elperuano · 05-23-2014, 11:31 PM

I didn't mean that the mods are in cahoots with GTM I meant that gtm does whatever they want with no penalty ever handed against them.

With no punishment to what they're doing then why stop? Why hasn't anyone spoken with them or put some kinda restriction in place to stop the repeating pattern?

1slow370 · 05-24-2014, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elperuano

I didn't mean that the mods are in cahoots with GTM I meant that gtm does whatever they want with no penalty ever handed against them.

With no punishment to what they're doing then why stop? Why hasn't anyone spoken with them or put some kinda restriction in place to stop the repeating pattern?

What do you want? Do you want the US Forum Police Force to come in and do what exactly? Ban them so they can't reply once this all gets sorted out? They haven't posted for a long time what is the difference? or do you want AK to hire a lawyer for you? oh yeah great plan. Either wait it out and hope for the best or do what you need to do IRL to get your money back if thats what you want. I forget his name but a guy came in here already saying he got his car back with a v3 kit on it recently and the two kits are basically identical from what I've been told with the exception of larger turbo's down pipes and manifolds so clearly something is happening with it.

1slow370 · 05-24-2014, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by baddyb13

I had my Z shipped to GTM in October 2013. Sam had the car for nearly 6 months. I only got it back after months of pestering, relentless phone calling and 2 trips to his shop - and I'm from Michigan. I have the newest TT kit - NOT the MHI. Eric at GTM was instrumental in getting the car back to me and if not for him, I have doubts as to when or if it ever would have been completed. I've spoken to Sam probably 50 times over the 6 months. His health issues are real. Whomever mentioned the scar was accurate. I'm not a Dr. and won't speculate, but my perception is that it's significant which likely has contributed to the delay. I did my homework prior to shipping the car to them. I'm very happy with the results but I'm sure Sam and Eric would tell you i was serious thorn in their side. I just wanted the car back. I can only hope nothing goes wrong as I don't know what I'll do for support. I feel for those who were waiting on the kit to to self-install. If anyone has any questions, please feel free to send a private message.

This guy, it's the T25+ option

Dajerseyrat · 05-24-2014, 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmhenderson

"spewing some"...thing

You literally joined these forums to crap on GTM and no other reason. Would you like to pretend otherwise?... because your forum history speaks for itself.

My problem with you is that I stated a matter-of-fact, agenda-less opinion which you immediately labeled "INTERESTING" and accused me of "buying into GTM's shennanigans" then when I call out your (pretty obvious) agenda, you backpeddle like mad.

Again, I have no problem with what you're doing. I'd probably do the same thing but if you want to start flinging **** around, don't be surprised when some of it gets on you. I have no dog in this fight. All I was doing was offering anecdotal evidence and you decided to be an *** so here we are I guess

Where did I back peddle? I hate Sam, I hate GTM...Did I not make that clear? I dont get you dude..Im not hiding or back peddling a thing..Im simply speaking my mind now, since no one was allowed to do so back in the days. But now that the ship is lowly sinking I can finally put it out there years later..I also have no dog in this fight, I dont own a shop I dont plan on owning one ever again, so I have zero to gain. If I can help some newbie not get ripped off by GTM then so be it. Please just stop replying to my posts..

Oh and BTW the only difference between GTM and the Titanic, is that the Titanic had a band...

Dajerseyrat · 05-24-2014, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dmhenderson

See this right here is the problem. I was afraid of this too and honestly, I don't think it's really an issue. GTM is a forum sponsor but you'd better believe AK or whoever is in charge here isn't going to risk the entire forum for one sponsor that pays a pittance every year to advertise. If AK or the armed branch of ~the370z.com~ decide that GTM is hosing their members, their "sponsor" status will be yanked in a hurry. There is no wacky sinister agenda here. Sam is not in cahoots with forum mods/admins. People are still scratching their heads and trying to figure out what the hell is going on.

In the meantime, DO NOT GIVE GTM YOUR MONEY. Wait and see what happens. Either they'll go bankrupt or this will all be quietly swept under the rug if they refund/fill the orders they've taken.

Please don't start implying that the forum is in on this. That's just dumb. They are regular car guys like the rest of us.

You really are clueless aren't you? If you havent figured it out by now here is a run down. Back in the day GTM was the largest sponsor of MY350Z.COM, probably a super platinum package that cost $1200 per month or so.(Im just throwing a number out there I cant remember what it cost to sponsor the forums back then) Any negative press was immediately dealt with by the forum moderators, plenty of them were GTM customers at highly discounted rates at the time.I know this for a fact, I have seen it first hand. EVERYTHING and when I tell you EVERYTHING was censored, it truly was.

Had I been allowed to speak my mind back then after discovering the truth about Sam and GTM then a ton of people may have been saved a lot money and this thread would not exist.

The forums are owned mostly by Internet Brands and rely on sponsors and advertising, and are in it to make money. They dont care about the truth, never did and never will.

However if it does come out that GTM was committing fraud and the forums knew about it or were made aware of it and did nothing to stop it, they can be held liable civilly or criminally. Most likely in civil court.

Dajerseyrat · 05-24-2014, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z_ealot

Not THAT is some funny ****!!!

Chuck33079 · 05-24-2014, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dajerseyrat

You really are clueless aren't you? If you havent figured it out by now here is a run down. Back in the day GTM was the largest sponsor of MY350Z.COM, probably a super platinum package that cost $1200 per month or so.(Im just throwing a number out there I cant remember what it cost to sponsor the forums back then) Any negative press was immediately dealt with by the forum moderators, plenty of them were GTM customers at highly discounted rates at the time.I know this for a fact, I have seen it first hand. EVERYTHING and when I tell you EVERYTHING was censored, it truly was.

Had I been allowed to speak my mind back then after discovering the truth about Sam and GTM then a ton of people may have been saved a lot money and this thread would not exist.

The forums are owned mostly by Internet Brands and rely on sponsors and advertising, and are in it to make money. They dont care about the truth, never did and never will.

However if it does come out that GTM was committing fraud and the forums knew about it or were made aware of it and did nothing to stop it, they can be held liable civilly or criminally. Most likely in civil court.

Dude, nobody here is defending GTM. You're so far off the deep end that someone being rational comes across to you as defending Sam. And we were all doing just fine here bashing GTM and having a good old time and then you decided to come in here and make it about you. Here's the thing- nobody cares. I'm sure it was a kick in the nuts the Sam and one of your best friends somehow singlehandedly destroyed what was up until then a thriving successful shop

. Because that can happen. One parts supplier in cahoots with a former friend can ruin a business that was doing just fine until then

. You said you've moved on. Prove it. Move on. Moving on isn't joining a forum just to post about how Sam is a retard. News flash- We know. You're not helping anyone. Everything you have to say has been said better by people with far more credibilty than you, your out of business shop sob story and your 15 posts. Go back to wherever you were last week.

05-23-2014, 10:57 PM	#737 (permalink)
elperuano A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southwest FL Posts: 1,374 Drives: G37S Rep Power: 29	I'll say that the most disturbing and truest statement is the threads that get cleaned up and factual information deleted as well because a vendor will whine and complain to mods and since they write the checks, they get away with it. Then the newbie who does not do his research will fall in line like a domino. Every car forum does this until the lies and deceit get so blatant mods will abandon said vendor. Its happened here and it looks like the $hit hit the ceiling which is why you don't see gtm threads being cleaned up (not that I know of). The icing on the cake is GTM still being a vendor here and allowed to still take peoples money. Numerous members have asked MODS wtf is up with no help or even a response. But they can conveniently clean up VSR threads and still not acknowledge the people here. With no one helping members here, I can't blame GTM. Who wouldn't wanna cash in on this. Screw people over, the admins you pay are on your side and will reward you with more newbies and admins clean up and negative experiences then what's not to love about it???? Hopefully I'll still be here later hahaha. Presto, Dzel and COSMO like this.

05-23-2014, 11:00 PM	#738 (permalink)
dmhenderson A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,930 Drives: AWD TT 370z Rep Power: 26	"spewing some"...thing You literally joined these forums to crap on GTM and no other reason. Would you like to pretend otherwise?... because your forum history speaks for itself. My problem with you is that I stated a matter-of-fact, agenda-less opinion which you immediately labeled "INTERESTING" and accused me of "buying into GTM's shennanigans" then when I call out your (pretty obvious) agenda, you backpeddle like mad. Again, I have no problem with what you're doing. I'd probably do the same thing but if you want to start flinging ** around, don't be surprised when some of it gets on you. I have no dog in this fight. All I was doing was offering anecdotal evidence and you decided to be an * so here we are I guess __________________ Last edited by dmhenderson; 05-23-2014 at 11:07 PM.

05-23-2014, 11:14 PM	#740 (permalink)
dmhenderson A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,930 Drives: AWD TT 370z Rep Power: 26	So it's late and I'm tired but I'm done with this thread so in summary: 1) If GTM has your money and is being dodgy about returning it, seek legal advice immediately. This is worth hiring a lawyer. The longer you wait, the less likely it is that you'll ever see your money again. 2) GTM has produced quality FI kits in the past. This has no bearing on the present but this isn't vaporware or some pie in the sky ponzi scheme. They have made tons of quality FI kits for many, many cars. 3) Don't give GTM any more money until this is all sorted. 4) Have a fantastic memorial day weekend. __________________

05-23-2014, 11:17 PM	#741 (permalink)
Z_ealot A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 2,045 Drives: 09 370Z Touring/Sprt Rep Power: 10091	falconfixer likes this.

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05-23-2014, 10:19 PM	#736 (permalink)
Dajerseyrat Base Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: NJ Posts: 33 Drives: 67 Camaro Rep Power: 11	Just a quick question to everyone who ever had a negative experience with GTM and please serious answers here only. How many of you have heard this phrase from Sam "It was your shop/installer/tuners fault. "......

05-23-2014, 11:31 PM	#744 (permalink)
elperuano A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southwest FL Posts: 1,374 Drives: G37S Rep Power: 29	I didn't mean that the mods are in cahoots with GTM I meant that gtm does whatever they want with no penalty ever handed against them. With no punishment to what they're doing then why stop? Why hasn't anyone spoken with them or put some kinda restriction in place to stop the repeating pattern?