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1slow370 · 03-16-2014, 02:20 AM

not to hate but i agree with de.50 on this, that much torque may not pop your motor but you did just drop down to a tenth or less of it's lifetime. Then again they may only use it once in a great while. I beat the chit out of my rides and fix or replace(in the case of the beaters) when they go. While the first motor suddenly lost all its oil and died, I know it was heavily worn before that happened, then the second motor was scored up for oil starve tracking, I melted the front rotors and pads under succsesive high speed braking, have gone through two manual transmissions from crunching the synchros racing, and burned up one rear end. I did all that NA If i go turbo its going to be around 400-450 whp and that is where it will stay. How much of a demand the driver places on the car has more to do with its life than any single other thing, but 550 torque is a hell of a lot of repetitive stress to ask of the factory rods that are were designed for HALF of that. It will blow after enough runs through that torque curve but it's a moot point, these guys are baller enough to blow 11k on a turbo kit they will just spend the cash when it comes time to rebuild.

G37sHKS · 03-16-2014, 02:33 AM

Well said!

faceglide · 03-16-2014, 02:45 AM

It all comes with the territory of any boosted ride. It is part of the deal. This is why I cringe when some want to go forced induction on a "budget"...its a NA car at its core, plan accordingly. I think it should be in everyone's budget who goes this route to begin a built engine plan, slowly yet surely, or just throw the money to the side, nothing lasts forever, and it surely won't last longer doing this.

My plan is simple. mess around for a year at it's power levels, throw it into high boost after the year. Just see how long this engine can survive a 630/550+ beating while my built block is waiting.

So far so good tho, I have treated it like it owes me money and it has been up to task. My goal was to eliminate any and all weak-points I could, without cracking the block open. I will be one of the few where if it pops, it won't be because of poor install, poor tune or poor equipment. Worst case scenario, bad fuel or random circumstance, best case scenario, I exceeded the stock block limit.

I would never expect the block to last 200k, but I do expect it to exceed 20-40k, anything past that is just icing on the cake.

1slow370 · 03-16-2014, 02:59 AM

and what we are all saying is no one has gotten close to 20k at 550 torque, at least no one who actually gets it into boost for more than a few seconds a week. and thinking that spending more money on your kit will make it last longer is wrong, by spending more money you got a higher and sooner torque peak which is just going to make the block problem worse. While not having mistakes like a poorly setup used boost controller that over speeds the turbos to ~40 psi for a little bit will make it last longer, they still havent invented te magic pixie dust that keeps your stock rods from fatigue stressing, and bending.

DEpointfive0 · 03-16-2014, 03:06 AM

faceglide · 03-16-2014, 03:17 AM

We see eye to eye, don't know what you are arguing with. But I won't take the bait.

You can reread my post, but I am sure: "My plan is simple. mess around for a year at it's power levels, throw it into high boost after the year. Just see how long this engine can survive a 630/550+ beating while my built block is waiting." Was pretty clear that I expect the block to be on borrowed time at that number....

I get it tho, you like to argue...go nuts. I am in the wrong thread anyhow. I believe this is your side of town

DEpointfive0 · 03-16-2014, 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faceglide

We see eye to eye, don't know what you are arguing with. But I won't take the bait.

You can reread my post, but I am sure: "My plan is simple. mess around for a year at it's power levels, throw it into high boost after the year. Just see how long this engine can survive a 630/550+ beating while my built block is waiting." Was pretty clear that I expect the block to be on borrowed time at that number....

I get it tho, you like to argue...go nuts. I am in the wrong thread anyhow. I believe this is your side of town

I actually read your post as slightly redundant. I totally read your statement above and understood that, but then I didn't understand the 20-40k estimate... I just assumed you drove like 20-30k a year meaning that once you switched to high boost, it would be gone

1slow370 · 03-16-2014, 03:48 AM

hmm thought we were just going with the flow of the thread, some guy from texas is pushing big torque -> we said his motor won't last long -> F.I. owners started going nah we can do it -> I reiterated that that is A LOT to ask of factory components (but if you spent 11k on turbos you probably aren't worried about another 10k for an engine) -> end result prepare to replace your motor if you has that much torques. Didn't think any of it specifically referred to you. You've already said you plan to replace it when it blows, I just pointed out you probably wont get near the 20-40k you said you expect at that power level if you are in the boost often. This isn't really an argument in my opinion more casual debate, but I guess I hurt your feelings?

1slow370 · 03-16-2014, 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

I actually read your post as slightly redundant. I totally read your statement above and understood that, but then I didn't understand the 20-40k estimate... I just assumed you drove like 20-30k a year meaning that once you switched to high boost, it would be gone

Thats how I took it too I mean he did say he drives it like it owes him money (and for 11k I assumed that meant he drives it hard and a lot)

1slow370 · 03-16-2014, 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faceglide

We see eye to eye, don't know what you are arguing with. But I won't take the bait.

You can reread my post, but I am sure: "My plan is simple. mess around for a year at it's power levels, throw it into high boost after the year. Just see how long this engine can survive a 630/550+ beating while my built block is waiting." Was pretty clear that I expect the block to be on borrowed time at that number....

I get it tho, you like to argue...go nuts. I am in the wrong thread anyhow. I believe this is your side of town

Also I'm not on either side of the fence, I'm just not the type to take up torches and burn down one side over internet speculation, The F.I. kit is great but it's too rich for my, and many other peoples blood, does the old GTM kit have some things that could be improved yes, is it crap? no lots of guys have made good trouble free power with it and still do, there are a ton of them out there, and they are priced afford-ably. I get it everyone can express their opinions but a lot of you guys have turned it into a witch hunt, and now apparently everyone has to take a ******* side? what is this the ford vs. chevy camps at bathurst?

blackonorange · 03-16-2014, 06:17 AM

Lol we can speculate all we want. Gtm still hasnt replied to any of this.

Trips · 03-16-2014, 07:24 AM

I did read the Op has received his refund, Thats GREAT NEWS.

Im very HAPPY for him.

For those who maybe still waiting for an update or a refund? I can only hope you people get satisfaction either way.

I would suggest to PLEASE PM AK to let him know of your refund situation so he can do whatever he can to help.

Everyone else with NO issues here? Please feel free to move on WE don't need more countless pages of more OFF TOPIC replies.

Almost everyone who's had an issues or an opinion? Has been given the opportunity to voice their concerns as well making others aware of a "potential" issue with this vendor.

I would appreciate it as well as the other members whom are still in the group buy list to KEEP IT ON TOPIC!

Please read the Op's original post so there's no confusion

Thank You.

COSMO · 03-16-2014, 07:31 AM

Hey 1slow370 I thought that was funny when you tried to tell Charles how to build a fuel return system.

Dzel · 03-16-2014, 09:07 AM

Lmao

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Alkatraz · 03-16-2014, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1slow370

what is this the ford vs. chevy camps at bathurst?

Thats Ford vs Holden dude! And don't you f'ing forget it!!!

03-16-2014, 02:20 AM	#391 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	not to hate but i agree with de.50 on this, that much torque may not pop your motor but you did just drop down to a tenth or less of it's lifetime. Then again they may only use it once in a great while. I beat the chit out of my rides and fix or replace(in the case of the beaters) when they go. While the first motor suddenly lost all its oil and died, I know it was heavily worn before that happened, then the second motor was scored up for oil starve tracking, I melted the front rotors and pads under succsesive high speed braking, have gone through two manual transmissions from crunching the synchros racing, and burned up one rear end. I did all that NA If i go turbo its going to be around 400-450 whp and that is where it will stay. How much of a demand the driver places on the car has more to do with its life than any single other thing, but 550 torque is a hell of a lot of repetitive stress to ask of the factory rods that are were designed for HALF of that. It will blow after enough runs through that torque curve but it's a moot point, these guys are baller enough to blow 11k on a turbo kit they will just spend the cash when it comes time to rebuild. G37sHKS, Dzel, DEpointfive0 and 2 others like this. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

03-16-2014, 02:33 AM	#392 (permalink)
G37sHKS A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Dubai Posts: 1,183 Drives: 09 G37S Coupe 7AT Rep Power: 20	Well said! __________________ G37 BUILD UNDER CONSTRUCTION

03-16-2014, 02:45 AM	#393 (permalink)
faceglide Track Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: san jose Posts: 550 Drives: '12 370Z FI TT BkChr Rep Power: 38	It all comes with the territory of any boosted ride. It is part of the deal. This is why I cringe when some want to go forced induction on a "budget"...its a NA car at its core, plan accordingly. I think it should be in everyone's budget who goes this route to begin a built engine plan, slowly yet surely, or just throw the money to the side, nothing lasts forever, and it surely won't last longer doing this. My plan is simple. mess around for a year at it's power levels, throw it into high boost after the year. Just see how long this engine can survive a 630/550+ beating while my built block is waiting. So far so good tho, I have treated it like it owes me money and it has been up to task. My goal was to eliminate any and all weak-points I could, without cracking the block open. I will be one of the few where if it pops, it won't be because of poor install, poor tune or poor equipment. Worst case scenario, bad fuel or random circumstance, best case scenario, I exceeded the stock block limit. I would never expect the block to last 200k, but I do expect it to exceed 20-40k, anything past that is just icing on the cake. Mkai0 likes this.

03-16-2014, 02:59 AM	#394 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	and what we are all saying is no one has gotten close to 20k at 550 torque, at least no one who actually gets it into boost for more than a few seconds a week. and thinking that spending more money on your kit will make it last longer is wrong, by spending more money you got a higher and sooner torque peak which is just going to make the block problem worse. While not having mistakes like a poorly setup used boost controller that over speeds the turbos to ~40 psi for a little bit will make it last longer, they still havent invented te magic pixie dust that keeps your stock rods from fatigue stressing, and bending. Dzel and DEpointfive0 like this. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50 Last edited by 1slow370; 03-16-2014 at 03:03 AM.

03-16-2014, 03:06 AM	#395 (permalink)
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03-16-2014, 03:17 AM	#396 (permalink)
faceglide Track Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: san jose Posts: 550 Drives: '12 370Z FI TT BkChr Rep Power: 38	We see eye to eye, don't know what you are arguing with. But I won't take the bait. You can reread my post, but I am sure: "My plan is simple. mess around for a year at it's power levels, throw it into high boost after the year. Just see how long this engine can survive a 630/550+ beating while my built block is waiting." Was pretty clear that I expect the block to be on borrowed time at that number.... I get it tho, you like to argue...go nuts. I am in the wrong thread anyhow. I believe this is your side of town Mkai0 and Dzel like this.

03-16-2014, 03:48 AM	#398 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	hmm thought we were just going with the flow of the thread, some guy from texas is pushing big torque -> we said his motor won't last long -> F.I. owners started going nah we can do it -> I reiterated that that is A LOT to ask of factory components (but if you spent 11k on turbos you probably aren't worried about another 10k for an engine) -> end result prepare to replace your motor if you has that much torques. Didn't think any of it specifically referred to you. You've already said you plan to replace it when it blows, I just pointed out you probably wont get near the 20-40k you said you expect at that power level if you are in the boost often. This isn't really an argument in my opinion more casual debate, but I guess I hurt your feelings? Dzel likes this. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

03-16-2014, 06:17 AM	#401 (permalink)
blackonorange A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 1,078 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 16	Lol we can speculate all we want. Gtm still hasnt replied to any of this.

03-16-2014, 07:24 AM	#402 (permalink)
Trips Administrator Join Date: May 2009 Location: Disneyland, Ca Posts: 8,730 Drives: 🔰 Rep Power: 10	I did read the Op has received his refund, Thats GREAT NEWS. Im very HAPPY for him. For those who maybe still waiting for an update or a refund? I can only hope you people get satisfaction either way. I would suggest to PLEASE PM AK to let him know of your refund situation so he can do whatever he can to help. Everyone else with NO issues here? Please feel free to move on WE don't need more countless pages of more OFF TOPIC replies. Almost everyone who's had an issues or an opinion? Has been given the opportunity to voice their concerns as well making others aware of a "potential" issue with this vendor. I would appreciate it as well as the other members whom are still in the group buy list to KEEP IT ON TOPIC! Please read the Op's original post so there's no confusion Thank You. __________________

03-16-2014, 07:31 AM	#403 (permalink)
COSMO A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: FL Posts: 1,816 Drives: 2012 Touring GTM TT Rep Power: 19	Hey 1slow370 I thought that was funny when you tried to tell Charles how to build a fuel return system. Presto, Mkai0, Chuck33079 and 1 others like this. Last edited by COSMO; 03-16-2014 at 08:19 AM.

03-16-2014, 09:07 AM	#404 (permalink)
Dzel A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Midland, TX Posts: 3,884 Drives: 11 370Z PW M6 Rep Power: 23	Lmao Sent with TapAhoe __________________ 10secWS6 IF YOU CAN'T SWING IT THEN DON'T BRING IT! Check out Domestic Performance C.C.

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