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mfeinst · 03-20-2014, 11:37 AM

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You're the one who needs to calm down. Nobody called you a retard. With you calling people "wannabe tough guys", you're doing nothing besides exacerbating a non-existent issue.

G37sHKS · 03-20-2014, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mfeinst

You're the one who needs to calm down. Nobody called you a retard. With you calling people "wannabe tough guys", you're doing nothing besides exacerbating a non-existent issue.

Yeah looks like he changed it.
Edit: nevermind. looks like trips changed it.

DOOMMONKEY777 · 03-20-2014, 03:09 PM

i dont know why do i keep looking in to this thread day after day? Ohh yeah GTM postings

fuct · 03-20-2014, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by G37sHKS

Haters? we all love FI products and we support it and guess what. we even recommend it to new comers who want turbo kit for their cars more than you, tough guy

What you said before haters gonna hate are all useless and wasted my time reading it.

Last but not least. Again Turbo kit from brand x or turbo kit from brand Y who the hell cares when engine cant handle it?
Im not gonna listen to a guy who had experience and knew how turbo actually looked like just few days ago

We know Tony and his turbo project before you even register in this forum.

Calling us retards? sounds like a childish response who wannabe tough guy.

Now chill down have a good day

and Happy mother day to all of you.

thats May 11 in the states. i never knew other countries celebrated that or even cared...

G37sHKS · 03-20-2014, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by fuct

thats May 11 in the states. i never knew other countries celebrated that or even cared...

Lol why wont we care? I guess we have different dates that's all..

Mother day celebrate is 3/21 here in UAE.

luigi90210 · 03-17-2014, 02:15 PM

torque is what killed stock 350z motors and it will kill our motors eventually

the only thing is how much torque does it take to kill our motor, with the old DE motors, 400wtq would send pistons out the bottom, didnt matter if it was n2o, turbo, or supercharger, the HR and VHR seem to do better with handling torque but there is still a limit to everything, just we dont know that limit yet

phunk · 03-17-2014, 02:21 PM

I was comfortable with the DE at 450tq personally. I ran it that way for a long time and when I tore it down to do the build, the internals and bearings looked perfect! So good in fact, that 10 years later I still have them saved here to look at as a testament.

The VHR not only has slightly beefier parts, but it makes less torque than the DE generally. I am assuming it has something to do with the valve timing / cam profile that is hurting the boosted torque. But it definitely has some to do with the intake manifold... the VHR intake manifold has much shorter runners than the DE... somewhere between 1.5 - 2" shorter.

Between the lower torque, and beefier parts, I think the VHR gives us a far more flexible platform to work with. This is probably why there are VERY few engine builds around here. With the 350z DE... within the second year EVERYONE was building their engines.

We also have a higher redline, giving us more room to take advantage of RPM. I really think 600whp is a pretty safe area if the tune is well done. If I were a better tuner I would have pushed mine further by now. I think I will go a little higher boost in a couple weeks though to see what happens.

future370zzz · 03-17-2014, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk

I was comfortable with the DE at 450tq personally. I ran it that way for a long time and when I tore it down to do the build, the internals and bearings looked perfect! So good in fact, that 10 years later I still have them saved here to look at as a testament.

The VHR not only has slightly beefier parts, but it makes less torque than the DE generally. I am assuming it has something to do with the valve timing / cam profile that is hurting the boosted torque. But it definitely has some to do with the intake manifold... the VHR intake manifold has much shorter runners than the DE... somewhere between 1.5 - 2" shorter.

Between the lower torque, and beefier parts, I think the VHR gives us a far more flexible platform to work with. This is probably why there are VERY few engine builds around here. With the 350z DE... within the second year EVERYONE was building their engines.

We also have a higher redline, giving us more room to take advantage of RPM. I really think 600whp is a pretty safe area if the tune is well done. If I were a better tuner I would have pushed mine further by now. I think I will go a little higher boost in a couple weeks though to see what happens.

But you're using E85 so wouldn't that provide extra protection against detonation and burn cooler than gasoline allowing you to get up to 600whp while putting less stress on the motor compared to gasoline?

I'm thinking of switching over to E85 as well just not sure if I can use regular gas in an emergency situation and what it would take.

COSMO · 03-17-2014, 02:21 PM

Oh yes some of us do... lol

phunk · 03-17-2014, 02:53 PM

It is a given that you need to make the power you want to make without running into pre-ignition events first. I don't personally know if anyone has tried to make it to 600+rwhp with 93 on the stock VHR or not.

E85 increases knock resistance so you can run the proper ignition timing to achieve peak cylinder pressure at optimum crank angle. With 93 octane, you might find combustion to loose stability before reaching optimum ignition timing. Which, BTW, isnt the same for both fuels.

faceglide · 03-19-2014, 11:36 PM

Wow...i thought this was Cosmo's thread......can we just let this one die already....totally did not mean to jump into this thread.....FML

Unsubbed

Dzel · 03-20-2014, 09:51 AM

^ this guy.

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elperuano · 03-20-2014, 10:36 AM

^well said.
No one is hating. The FI kit is amazing. Only going by what we've seen so far from others experience those numbers seem really high for a stock block. We just wanna warn you of the possibility with such high (amazing) numbers.

Dzel · 03-20-2014, 01:15 PM

We all came from somewhere

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elperuano · 03-20-2014, 03:17 PM

Lol you come in this thread expecting gtm to post here????

03-20-2014, 03:09 PM	#3 (permalink)
DOOMMONKEY777 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Crooklyn Posts: 1,011 Drives: 370Z 6psd-sport-pkg Rep Power: 21	i dont know why do i keep looking in to this thread day after day? Ohh yeah GTM postings __________________ Kids don't do Drugs, Drugs are bad, so let the professional druggies do Drugs for you. 537whp/496lb/tq@8-9PSI 93 octane

03-17-2014, 02:15 PM	#6 (permalink)
luigi90210 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: San Diego CA Posts: 1,103 Drives: Classified Rep Power: 15	torque is what killed stock 350z motors and it will kill our motors eventually the only thing is how much torque does it take to kill our motor, with the old DE motors, 400wtq would send pistons out the bottom, didnt matter if it was n2o, turbo, or supercharger, the HR and VHR seem to do better with handling torque but there is still a limit to everything, just we dont know that limit yet __________________ SOLD 370z New Car:classified DD:2011 Mini Cooper S stock

03-17-2014, 02:21 PM	#7 (permalink)
phunk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,669 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 974724	I was comfortable with the DE at 450tq personally. I ran it that way for a long time and when I tore it down to do the build, the internals and bearings looked perfect! So good in fact, that 10 years later I still have them saved here to look at as a testament. The VHR not only has slightly beefier parts, but it makes less torque than the DE generally. I am assuming it has something to do with the valve timing / cam profile that is hurting the boosted torque. But it definitely has some to do with the intake manifold... the VHR intake manifold has much shorter runners than the DE... somewhere between 1.5 - 2" shorter. Between the lower torque, and beefier parts, I think the VHR gives us a far more flexible platform to work with. This is probably why there are VERY few engine builds around here. With the 350z DE... within the second year EVERYONE was building their engines. We also have a higher redline, giving us more room to take advantage of RPM. I really think 600whp is a pretty safe area if the tune is well done. If I were a better tuner I would have pushed mine further by now. I think I will go a little higher boost in a couple weeks though to see what happens. __________________ Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website \| Facebook \| Instagram \| YouTube Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph Last edited by phunk; 03-17-2014 at 02:23 PM.

03-17-2014, 02:53 PM	#10 (permalink)
phunk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,669 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 974724	It is a given that you need to make the power you want to make without running into pre-ignition events first. I don't personally know if anyone has tried to make it to 600+rwhp with 93 on the stock VHR or not. E85 increases knock resistance so you can run the proper ignition timing to achieve peak cylinder pressure at optimum crank angle. With 93 octane, you might find combustion to loose stability before reaching optimum ignition timing. Which, BTW, isnt the same for both fuels. __________________ Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website \| Facebook \| Instagram \| YouTube Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph Last edited by phunk; 03-17-2014 at 02:58 PM.

03-20-2014, 09:51 AM	#12 (permalink)
Dzel A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Midland, TX Posts: 3,884 Drives: 11 370Z PW M6 Rep Power: 23	^ this guy. Sent with TapAhoe __________________ 10secWS6 IF YOU CAN'T SWING IT THEN DON'T BRING IT! Check out Domestic Performance C.C.

03-17-2014, 02:21 PM	#9 (permalink)
COSMO A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: FL Posts: 1,816 Drives: 2012 Touring GTM TT Rep Power: 20	Oh yes some of us do... lol

03-19-2014, 11:36 PM	#11 (permalink)
faceglide Track Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: san jose Posts: 550 Drives: '12 370Z FI TT BkChr Rep Power: 38	Wow...i thought this was Cosmo's thread......can we just let this one die already....totally did not mean to jump into this thread.....FML Unsubbed

03-20-2014, 10:36 AM	#13 (permalink)
elperuano A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southwest FL Posts: 1,374 Drives: G37S Rep Power: 29	^well said. No one is hating. The FI kit is amazing. Only going by what we've seen so far from others experience those numbers seem really high for a stock block. We just wanna warn you of the possibility with such high (amazing) numbers.

03-20-2014, 01:15 PM	#14 (permalink)
Dzel A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Midland, TX Posts: 3,884 Drives: 11 370Z PW M6 Rep Power: 23	We all came from somewhere Sent with tapahoe __________________ 10secWS6 IF YOU CAN'T SWING IT THEN DON'T BRING IT! Check out Domestic Performance C.C.

03-20-2014, 03:17 PM	#15 (permalink)
elperuano A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southwest FL Posts: 1,374 Drives: G37S Rep Power: 29	Lol you come in this thread expecting gtm to post here????

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