GTM MHI Kit Group Buy Participants...

TerribleONE · 03-16-2014, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370

hmm thought we were just going with the flow of the thread, some guy from texas is pushing big torque -> we said his motor won't last long -> F.I. owners started going nah we can do it -> I reiterated that that is A LOT to ask of factory components (but if you spent 11k on turbos you probably aren't worried about another 10k for an engine) -> end result prepare to replace your motor if you has that much torques. Didn't think any of it specifically referred to you. You've already said you plan to replace it when it blows, I just pointed out you probably wont get near the 20-40k you said you expect at that power level if you are in the boost often. This isn't really an argument in my opinion more casual debate, but I guess I hurt your feelings?

So what your saying is F.I's kit would be better if it were a bit worse?

I agree you are cutting down the longevity of the motor at those power levels however, no one really knows how long the motor will last.

Sorry trips I had to post this

mikey1600 · 03-17-2014, 05:11 AM

So, who's still in this thing? I'm paid up in full since June last year. I know some have got refunds etc.. anyone swapped over to a supercharger kit instead of waiting longer?

G37Sam · 03-17-2014, 05:18 AM

What's the wait time on a SC Kit from GTM nowadays?

mikey1600 · 03-17-2014, 05:47 AM

not sure, didn't end up asking was just something in the back of the mind.

unfortunately for me, RHD here, so can't go with any other turbo kit and supercharger is the only other option, was so excited for this kit though haha

Infidel · 03-17-2014, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by mikey1600

So, who's still in this thing? I'm paid up in full since June last year. I know some have got refunds etc.. anyone swapped over to a supercharger kit instead of waiting longer?

I did in mid December and I STILL don't have my SC. Get your money back as soon as you can....IF YOU CAN !!!

elperuano · 03-17-2014, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mikey1600

not sure, didn't end up asking was just something in the back of the mind.

unfortunately for me, RHD here, so can't go with any other turbo kit and supercharger is the only other option, was so excited for this kit though haha

You must know Alkatraz!

Alkatraz · 03-17-2014, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by elperuano

You must know Alkatraz!

Mikey lives just down the road from me actually. Of course that road is 4300km long but yeah we are practically neighbors.

mikey1600 · 03-17-2014, 10:26 AM

Wow, were you in this group buy and paid then decided to get the supercharger instead because of the wait?

lol me and Alkatraz are neighbours as he said

don't you know every single person in your country? :P

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Originally Posted by Infidel

I did in mid December and I STILL don't have my SC. Get your money back as soon as you can....IF YOU CAN !!!

mfeinst · 03-17-2014, 10:44 AM

To all saying it's the high TQ that kills a motor, you are correct, BUT.... Horsepower is simply a function of torque at xxxx RPM. More precisely, HP = (TQ x RPM)/5252

Also, F.I. has done their due diligence and it is just paying off for their customers, that's all. Nobody truly knows the limits of the stock block until a kit like Tony's meets a Specialty Z tune and the clock ticks forward. Haters gonna hate.

Chuck33079 · 03-17-2014, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by mfeinst

Haters gonna hate.

It's not hate, it's just a fact. There is a torque limit at which the motor will let go, whether it be from an issue or simply metal fatigue from high cylinder rpressures. Are the FI kits over that? We'll see. Time will tell. At the 600whp level, it's not going to take much of a hiccup to take out a motor.

G37sHKS · 03-17-2014, 10:53 AM

So let me get this straight.. What FI turbo kit owners are saying is 600 WHP is safe with FI kit but with GTM kit you will kill the engine with that power?

Chuck33079 · 03-17-2014, 10:54 AM

I think it's that the FI kit makes more power out of the box, and there haven't been any failures yet. Granted, I'd be shocked if anyone had more than 5k miles on those kits. Again, time will tell.

G37sHKS · 03-17-2014, 10:58 AM

ofcourse they will make more power out of the box. just look at FI kit and compare it to GTM kit they shouldn't even be on same sentence, totally different category, and not only that. their kit use bigger turbo too (GTX2867 compared to GT2860)

I just find it childish to argue about FI kit will handle 600 WHP while GTM kit will pop your engine with that power..

Chuck33079 · 03-17-2014, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by G37sHKS

ofcourse they will make more power out of the box. just look at FI kit and compare it to GTM kit they shouldn't even be on same sentence, and not only that. their kit use bigger turbo too (GTX2867 compared to GT2860)

I just find it childish to argue about FI kit will handle 600 WHP while GTM kit will pop your engine with that power..

Yep, it's funny that there's a brand as far as how much power a motor can take.

mfeinst · 03-17-2014, 11:09 AM

^It's about more power on lower boost, and therefore efficiency per unit of added air and fuel, not the absolute figure. 9psi on two disco potatoes is 9psi on two disco potatoes, whether that's from a GTM kit or an F.I. kit. Difference is in the what makes up the rest of the setup and the quality of the tune.

And the stage 1 FI kit still uses 2860; GTX turbos are an extra-cost upgrade.

03-17-2014, 05:18 AM	#408 (permalink)
G37Sam A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Dubai, UAE Posts: 1,507 Drives: RB'd G37 Rep Power: 21	What's the wait time on a SC Kit from GTM nowadays? G37sHKS and Dzel like this. __________________ '14 Viper GTS '08 RB'd G37S - Sold

03-17-2014, 10:44 AM	#414 (permalink)
mfeinst Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Greater Philly Area Posts: 272 Drives: Mercedes C43 AMG Rep Power: 13	To all saying it's the high TQ that kills a motor, you are correct, BUT.... Horsepower is simply a function of torque at xxxx RPM. More precisely, HP = (TQ x RPM)/5252 Also, F.I. has done their due diligence and it is just paying off for their customers, that's all. Nobody truly knows the limits of the stock block until a kit like Tony's meets a Specialty Z tune and the clock ticks forward. Haters gonna hate. TerribleONE and DEpointfive0 like this. __________________ F.I. TT Kit -- GT2860RS [500rwhp/449ft-lbs @ 9psi][/B][/I] CAR SOLD...

03-17-2014, 10:53 AM	#416 (permalink)
G37sHKS A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Dubai Posts: 1,183 Drives: 09 G37S Coupe 7AT Rep Power: 20	So let me get this straight.. What FI turbo kit owners are saying is 600 WHP is safe with FI kit but with GTM kit you will kill the engine with that power? luigi90210 likes this. __________________ G37 BUILD UNDER CONSTRUCTION

03-17-2014, 10:54 AM	#417 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	I think it's that the FI kit makes more power out of the box, and there haven't been any failures yet. Granted, I'd be shocked if anyone had more than 5k miles on those kits. Again, time will tell. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

03-17-2014, 10:58 AM	#418 (permalink)
G37sHKS A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Dubai Posts: 1,183 Drives: 09 G37S Coupe 7AT Rep Power: 20	ofcourse they will make more power out of the box. just look at FI kit and compare it to GTM kit they shouldn't even be on same sentence, totally different category, and not only that. their kit use bigger turbo too (GTX2867 compared to GT2860) I just find it childish to argue about FI kit will handle 600 WHP while GTM kit will pop your engine with that power.. __________________ G37 BUILD UNDER CONSTRUCTION

03-17-2014, 05:11 AM	#407 (permalink)
mikey1600 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 503 Drives: MY11 370z Black Rep Power: 16	So, who's still in this thing? I'm paid up in full since June last year. I know some have got refunds etc.. anyone swapped over to a supercharger kit instead of waiting longer?

03-17-2014, 05:47 AM	#409 (permalink)
mikey1600 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 503 Drives: MY11 370z Black Rep Power: 16	not sure, didn't end up asking was just something in the back of the mind. unfortunately for me, RHD here, so can't go with any other turbo kit and supercharger is the only other option, was so excited for this kit though haha

03-17-2014, 11:09 AM	#420 (permalink)
mfeinst Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Greater Philly Area Posts: 272 Drives: Mercedes C43 AMG Rep Power: 13	^It's about more power on lower boost, and therefore efficiency per unit of added air and fuel, not the absolute figure. 9psi on two disco potatoes is 9psi on two disco potatoes, whether that's from a GTM kit or an F.I. kit. Difference is in the what makes up the rest of the setup and the quality of the tune. And the stage 1 FI kit still uses 2860; GTX turbos are an extra-cost upgrade. __________________ F.I. TT Kit -- GT2860RS [500rwhp/449ft-lbs @ 9psi][/B][/I] CAR SOLD...

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