Nissan 370Z Forum  

Blown Motor, Engine Rebuild/Replacement.

Originally Posted by cosmogirl Well if that's the case the problem is not just isolated to the drivers side. I'll be honest, at this point I'm considering just putting a

Go Back   Nissan 370Z Forum > Nissan 370Z Tech Area > Engine & Drivetrain > Forced Induction


Like Tree1131Likes

Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-27-2014, 09:50 AM   #436 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
jwick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Houston
Posts: 14,532
Drives: '10 G37 6MT
Rep Power: 2465056
jwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmogirl View Post
Well if that's the case the problem is not just isolated to the drivers side.
I'll be honest, at this point I'm considering just putting a stock motor back in and selling everything else and going car shopping.
That sucks but completely understand your frustration. If only I had a beater I would pull my motor and swap you, obviously with a little cash coming your way.
__________________
'10 G37T 6MT Graphite/Graphite - BP - G37T Build

jwick is offline  
Old 02-27-2014, 09:54 AM   #437 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
wstar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 4,024
Drives: too slow
Rep Power: 3594
wstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond reputewstar has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I'm surprised the manifold is even capable of cracking right at the spot in the pic above. I mean, the crack is right up at the start of the manifold between sets of bolts that should hold the cracked pieces together fairly rigidly, so there shouldn't be any really huge differential in mechanical stress on the two sides of that crack. I could understand if it was closer to where the turbo mounts at... but that pictured crack would seem very likely be a design fault with the item under heat stress.
G37sHKS and COSMO like this.
__________________
7AT Track Car!
Journal thread / Car setup details
wstar is offline  
Old 02-27-2014, 11:17 AM   #438 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
G37sHKS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Dubai
Posts: 1,183
Drives: 09 G37S Coupe 7AT
Rep Power: 20
G37sHKS has a reputation beyond reputeG37sHKS has a reputation beyond reputeG37sHKS has a reputation beyond reputeG37sHKS has a reputation beyond reputeG37sHKS has a reputation beyond reputeG37sHKS has a reputation beyond reputeG37sHKS has a reputation beyond reputeG37sHKS has a reputation beyond reputeG37sHKS has a reputation beyond reputeG37sHKS has a reputation beyond reputeG37sHKS has a reputation beyond repute
Default

it IS a design fault.. They know it will crack if you did not baby it and hell no im not gonna baby my car if I paid 20k$ im sure others think the same.

Now, Im pretty sure that the new manifolds from GTM (V3) will not only have better flow but stronger than ever. What im not so sure about is why it took them so long to finally create a new manifold.
__________________

Last edited by G37sHKS; 02-27-2014 at 11:26 AM.
G37sHKS is offline  
Old 02-27-2014, 12:05 PM   #439 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
fuct's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Sugar Land
Posts: 3,692
Drives: 97' Ranger :)
Rep Power: 24
fuct has much to be proud offuct has much to be proud offuct has much to be proud offuct has much to be proud offuct has much to be proud offuct has much to be proud offuct has much to be proud offuct has much to be proud offuct has much to be proud offuct has much to be proud of
Default

if everyones manifolds are cracking in the same spot then id say its a design issue. if people are having cracks in random spots then it could just be crappy iron.

where the foundry that casted these manifolds gets its raw material id like to know....

hell didnt GTM mention their first batch of cast manifolds for the new kit had issues?

Last edited by fuct; 02-27-2014 at 12:07 PM.
fuct is offline  
Old 02-27-2014, 01:52 PM   #440 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,668
Drives: 370
Rep Power: 974723
phunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond repute
Default

While I was saying that cracking cast iron turbos manifolds is pretty common... I am not saying it will not effect performance. At first it wont. But it gets worse, and it spreads, and the material gets more brittle pretty fast. Eventually you will see light through the crack.

By the time you can hear it with your head in the engine bay, it has a pretty harsh effect on performance. A lot more than you would think from how minor it looks... more than I can really understand or explain. But I have experienced it and it really does effect performance.

It can be welded by a professional who is familiar with repair welding this type of part for the environment it will see, but it is a temporary fix, and it will crack again along the edge of the weld later (from what I have seen, maybe there are people that can do it better than i have seen).
O&G likes this.
__________________
Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website | Facebook | Instagram | YouTube
Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph

Last edited by phunk; 02-27-2014 at 01:55 PM.
phunk is offline  
Old 02-27-2014, 02:26 PM   #441 (permalink)
Ronin Samurai - Assassin
 
Rusty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky
Age: 68
Posts: 35,181
Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M
Rep Power: 2684437
Rusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond repute
Wink

To weld something like this. I would drill a hole at the ends of the crack. Grind a V in the crack about 3/16" wide. Bolt the manifold down so it doesn't move. Preheat the manifold to about 700deg. Tig weld it with something like Ni-Rod 55. Weld only one inch of the crack at a time. After each stitch. Peen the weld with a ball-peen hammer. What is causing the cracks is unequal heating and cooling of the manifold. That turbo heats up slower then the manifold, and cools off slower then the manifold. I've welded cast iron in the past with the company I used to work for with great results.
tibal, phunk, fuct and 4 others like this.
__________________

浪人 - 殺し屋
"The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only"
http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html

Last edited by Rusty; 02-27-2014 at 02:29 PM.
Rusty is offline  
Old 02-27-2014, 02:32 PM   #442 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
COSMO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: FL
Posts: 1,816
Drives: 2012 Touring GTM TT
Rep Power: 19
COSMO has a reputation beyond reputeCOSMO has a reputation beyond reputeCOSMO has a reputation beyond reputeCOSMO has a reputation beyond reputeCOSMO has a reputation beyond reputeCOSMO has a reputation beyond reputeCOSMO has a reputation beyond reputeCOSMO has a reputation beyond reputeCOSMO has a reputation beyond reputeCOSMO has a reputation beyond reputeCOSMO has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Rusty you might have found your second job thanks to gtm...
fuct and Rusty like this.
COSMO is offline  
Old 02-27-2014, 02:38 PM   #443 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
jwick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Houston
Posts: 14,532
Drives: '10 G37 6MT
Rep Power: 2465056
jwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty View Post
To weld something like this. I would drill a hole at the ends of the crack. Grind a V in the crack about 3/16" wide. Bolt the manifold down so it doesn't move. Preheat the manifold to about 700deg. Tig weld it with something like Ni-Rod 55. Weld only one inch of the crack at a time. After each stitch. Peen the weld with a ball-peen hammer. What is causing the cracks is unequal heating and cooling of the manifold. That turbo heats up slower then the manifold, and cools off slower then the manifold. I've welded cast iron in the past with the company I used to work for with great results.
This guy sounds like he knows what he's talking about. I'm a structural engineer in offshore industry and I have had some experience discussing weld repair with construction guys.
OMGWTFBBQ and Rusty like this.
__________________
'10 G37T 6MT Graphite/Graphite - BP - G37T Build

jwick is offline  
Old 02-27-2014, 02:55 PM   #444 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
COSMO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: FL
Posts: 1,816
Drives: 2012 Touring GTM TT
Rep Power: 19
COSMO has a reputation beyond reputeCOSMO has a reputation beyond reputeCOSMO has a reputation beyond reputeCOSMO has a reputation beyond reputeCOSMO has a reputation beyond reputeCOSMO has a reputation beyond reputeCOSMO has a reputation beyond reputeCOSMO has a reputation beyond reputeCOSMO has a reputation beyond reputeCOSMO has a reputation beyond reputeCOSMO has a reputation beyond repute
Default

What are the chances of having it fixed and billed to gtm? lmao!!!!! Sometimes I crack myself up...
COSMO is offline  
Old 02-27-2014, 03:24 PM   #445 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
fuct's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Sugar Land
Posts: 3,692
Drives: 97' Ranger :)
Rep Power: 24
fuct has much to be proud offuct has much to be proud offuct has much to be proud offuct has much to be proud offuct has much to be proud offuct has much to be proud offuct has much to be proud offuct has much to be proud offuct has much to be proud offuct has much to be proud of
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmogirl View Post
What are the chances of having it fixed and billed to gtm? lmao!!!!! Sometimes I crack myself up...
i see what you did there......
fuct is offline  
Old 02-27-2014, 03:39 PM   #446 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
jwick's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Houston
Posts: 14,532
Drives: '10 G37 6MT
Rep Power: 2465056
jwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond reputejwick has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmogirl View Post
What are the chances of having it fixed and billed to gtm? lmao!!!!! Sometimes I crack myself up...
The reimbursement line starts after the MHI refund line...
OMGWTFBBQ, O&G, elperuano and 1 others like this.
__________________
'10 G37T 6MT Graphite/Graphite - BP - G37T Build

jwick is offline  
Old 02-27-2014, 04:09 PM   #447 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
G37sHKS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Dubai
Posts: 1,183
Drives: 09 G37S Coupe 7AT
Rep Power: 20
G37sHKS has a reputation beyond reputeG37sHKS has a reputation beyond reputeG37sHKS has a reputation beyond reputeG37sHKS has a reputation beyond reputeG37sHKS has a reputation beyond reputeG37sHKS has a reputation beyond reputeG37sHKS has a reputation beyond reputeG37sHKS has a reputation beyond reputeG37sHKS has a reputation beyond reputeG37sHKS has a reputation beyond reputeG37sHKS has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Just call Sam man you have nothing to lose, Don't email him because he wont bother looking at emails. I always call him if I need something and he answers all the questions I have

Just tell him you have cracked manifold and he will take care of you

Im not fan of GTM right now because its no where near the quality of FI and BF turbo kit. I have faith in GTM that their new manifold will bring some tough challenge to competitors

AAM Performance might get Rank 1 in turbo kit after they release it.. who knows.
__________________
G37sHKS is offline  
Old 02-27-2014, 05:41 PM   #448 (permalink)
O&G
A True Z Fanatic
 
O&G's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Lone Star State
Age: 42
Posts: 1,212
Drives: 40th Anv.
Rep Power: 23
O&G has a reputation beyond reputeO&G has a reputation beyond reputeO&G has a reputation beyond reputeO&G has a reputation beyond reputeO&G has a reputation beyond reputeO&G has a reputation beyond reputeO&G has a reputation beyond reputeO&G has a reputation beyond reputeO&G has a reputation beyond reputeO&G has a reputation beyond reputeO&G has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Cracks don't fix themselves! Like Charles said, it will only get worse!
COSMO likes this.
__________________
O&G's Build/Journal <---(1st lowmount single turbo treeseventy)
Built Engine Thread
2011 F-250 Build/Journal
O&G is offline  
Old 02-27-2014, 06:44 PM   #449 (permalink)
Ronin Samurai - Assassin
 
Rusty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky
Age: 68
Posts: 35,181
Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M
Rep Power: 2684437
Rusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond repute
Wink

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rusty View Post
To weld something like this. I would drill a hole at the ends of the crack. Grind a V in the crack about 3/16" wide. Bolt the manifold down so it doesn't move. Preheat the manifold to about 700deg. Tig weld it with something like Ni-Rod 55. Weld only one inch of the crack at a time. After each stitch. Peen the weld with a ball-peen hammer. What is causing the cracks is unequal heating and cooling of the manifold. That turbo heats up slower then the manifold, and cools off slower then the manifold. I've welded cast iron in the past with the company I used to work for with great results.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jwick View Post
This guy sounds like he knows what he's talking about. I'm a structural engineer in offshore industry and I have had some experience discussing weld repair with construction guys.
Thanks! Used to weld exotic metals at one time.

Forgot one thing. Need to wrap the manifold after welding in Kaowool to slow cool it to room temp.
__________________

浪人 - 殺し屋
"The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only"
http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html
Rusty is offline  
Old 02-27-2014, 06:47 PM   #450 (permalink)
Ronin Samurai - Assassin
 
Rusty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Fayettenam,Pennsyltucky
Age: 68
Posts: 35,181
Drives: 2011 Nismo GM 6M
Rep Power: 2684437
Rusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond reputeRusty has a reputation beyond repute
Angry

Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmogirl View Post
Rusty you might have found your second job thanks to gtm...
Might need it. Might be out of job shortly. Read my post in my journal.
__________________

浪人 - 殺し屋
"The Difficult Anytime, The Impossible By Appointment Only"
http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...o-journal.html
Rusty is offline  
Closed Thread

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Blown motor!!!! COSMO Forced Induction 166 11-25-2013 09:33 PM
Someone in the DFW area who can rebuild a 370z motor Denny McLain Engine & Drivetrain 16 01-29-2013 06:27 PM
370z engine blown Fabsnoop Nissan 370Z General Discussions 53 06-03-2012 12:29 AM
WORST DAY!!!! Possible engine blown???!!!! Westwood Engine & Drivetrain 189 04-09-2012 12:28 PM
vq37vhr ( 370z motor ) NOT BLOWN soaka1 Wanted 0 03-10-2010 11:01 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:39 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2