Blown Motor, Engine Rebuild/Replacement.

Chuck33079 · 02-06-2014, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmogirl

Ok so I'm going to play devil's advocate here.. I really don't think gtm would create and build a fuel system that would fail. Meaning, if it needed dampers it would have them if not it's not necessary. Coop ran this on his car with no problems. What are the chances of sam chiming in here. lol

Really?

I'm sure it works just fine. The guy who's selling it to you ran some damn quick times and made gobs of power. If the price is right, I'd go for it.

COSMO · 02-06-2014, 01:34 PM

I thought you might like that... LMAO!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Really?

I'm sure it works just fine. The guy who's selling it to you ran some damn quick times and made gobs of power. If the price is right, I'd go for it.

Chuck33079 · 02-06-2014, 01:35 PM

Yeah. The same guy who's had all of his company's threads locked because he can't be bothered is going to give you an answer. The funny part is that he has logged on the forum very recently, but didn't bother to post a single word.

1slow370 · 02-06-2014, 01:41 PM

checked his pm's maybe? either way dampers on a return system are not neccesary, I've seen 3000hp cars with no dampers. You know whos gonna tell you that you need them? the guy selling them.

Chuck33079 · 02-06-2014, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1slow370

checked his pm's maybe? either way dampers on a return system are not neccesary, I've seen 3000hp cars with no dampers. You know whos gonna tell you that you need them? the guy selling them.

Eh, I've already spent more time looking than I wanted to.

Considering how many sources we've got for fuel rails (2, and one of them is GTM

) it's kind of a moot point.

Devil's advocate- Going from my (admittedly often faulty) memory, it was a VQ-specific issue that made the damper necessary. Someone shine the phunk-signal up in the sky. Maybe he'll explain. Or he'll tell me he has no idea what I'm on about and I'm remembering incorrectly. Either is a distinct possibility.

COSMO · 02-06-2014, 01:57 PM

To DAMPER or Not DAMPER!!!!! LMAO!~

COSMO · 02-06-2014, 01:59 PM

Well I'm pulling the trigger on this because it has shown Proven...

Thanks again Coop!!!

1slow370 · 02-06-2014, 02:04 PM

it's not vq specific, its rail harmonics. when the injeters open and close they create pressurewaves in the rail if there isn't enough volume and the waves stack up they can cause flow issues to the injector. it happens in all fuel rails, usually on smaller engines like the subarus because when you have 2 very large injectors in one tiny rail it is easy for them to effect each other. the 370 does not have a real issue with this if you want to double check why not call your tuner and ask him if there was a lean spot at a specific rpm, Usually its between 3-5k for about 500rpm on engines that get it, that he could not tune out by adding more fuel.

Edit: somebody should call cosworth and tell them their rals are garbage cuz they don't have dampers

SharpByCoop · 02-06-2014, 02:06 PM

cosmogirl is making a good choice. This is the system that powered my heavier car to 11.13"et.

I converted the car back to OEM stock after hurting it, because I DIDN'T have an oil system that was capable of 8500rpm, which I pressed looking for the tens. (Ducks for cover....)

It may have had 1000 miles on it max. Anyway, he's getting all that for less than 1/3 of what my invoice was, plus the fuel pod (Does the G37 and 370Z have the same?)

cosmogirl is a good egg. He's going to fly.

Coop

1slow370 · 02-06-2014, 02:11 PM

Nope hes gonna have to change the can over to his

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Chuck33079 · 02-06-2014, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1slow370

it's not vq specific, its rail harmonics. when the injeters open and close they create pressurewaves in the rail if there isn't enough volume and the waves stack up they can cause flow issues to the injector. it happens in all fuel rails, usually on smaller engines like the subarus because when you have 2 very large injectors in one tiny rail it is easy for them to effect each other. the 370 does not have a real issue with this if you want to double check why not call your tuner and ask him if there was a lean spot at a specific rpm, Usually its between 3-5k for about 500rpm on engines that get it, that he could not tune out by adding more fuel.

Edit: somebody should call cosworth and tell them their rals are garbage cuz they don't have dampers

I'm aware that rail harmonics are not VQ specific. I'm saying that (again, going from memory from a post I can't seem to find) the VQ has an issue when the damper is removed.

COSMO · 02-06-2014, 02:13 PM

Are you sure they look identical...??

1slow370 · 02-06-2014, 02:16 PM

So yeah ur gonna need the pump instal bracket and return line adapter for a 370

Edit actually u should have the pump bracket already since you were tt so u just need the return line adapter for the z

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1slow370 · 02-06-2014, 02:20 PM

The z can has metal struts not lastic and the level sensor is on a black mount. The big difference is the jet pump fittings between the 2 are different

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1slow370 · 02-06-2014, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

I'm aware that rail harmonics are not VQ specific. I'm saying that (again, going from memory from a post I can't seem to find) the VQ has an issue when the damper is removed.

And again that post was made by the guy selling them

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02-06-2014, 01:35 PM	#258 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	Yeah. The same guy who's had all of his company's threads locked because he can't be bothered is going to give you an answer. The funny part is that he has logged on the forum very recently, but didn't bother to post a single word. elperuano likes this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

02-06-2014, 01:41 PM	#259 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	checked his pm's maybe? either way dampers on a return system are not neccesary, I've seen 3000hp cars with no dampers. You know whos gonna tell you that you need them? the guy selling them. __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

02-06-2014, 02:04 PM	#263 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	it's not vq specific, its rail harmonics. when the injeters open and close they create pressurewaves in the rail if there isn't enough volume and the waves stack up they can cause flow issues to the injector. it happens in all fuel rails, usually on smaller engines like the subarus because when you have 2 very large injectors in one tiny rail it is easy for them to effect each other. the 370 does not have a real issue with this if you want to double check why not call your tuner and ask him if there was a lean spot at a specific rpm, Usually its between 3-5k for about 500rpm on engines that get it, that he could not tune out by adding more fuel. Edit: somebody should call cosworth and tell them their rals are garbage cuz they don't have dampers __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50 Last edited by 1slow370; 02-06-2014 at 02:07 PM.

02-06-2014, 02:06 PM	#264 (permalink)
SharpByCoop Enthusiast Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Connecticut Posts: 286 Drives: '08 G37S - Graphite Rep Power: 15	cosmogirl is making a good choice. This is the system that powered my heavier car to 11.13"et. I converted the car back to OEM stock after hurting it, because I DIDN'T have an oil system that was capable of 8500rpm, which I pressed looking for the tens. (Ducks for cover....) It may have had 1000 miles on it max. Anyway, he's getting all that for less than 1/3 of what my invoice was, plus the fuel pod (Does the G37 and 370Z have the same?) cosmogirl is a good egg. He's going to fly. Coop __________________ Jim Cooper - (Retired: '08 Infiniti G37 Sport • TheShopCT built • 11.13 @ 123 mph (click for vid) • GTM Stage II Twin Turbo • 5-speed A/T Level Ten built • 591whp @17 lbs boost) Last edited by SharpByCoop; 02-06-2014 at 02:12 PM.

02-06-2014, 02:11 PM	#265 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	Nope hes gonna have to change the can over to his Sent from my HTCONE using Tapatalk __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

02-06-2014, 01:57 PM	#261 (permalink)
COSMO A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: FL Posts: 1,816 Drives: 2012 Touring GTM TT Rep Power: 20	To DAMPER or Not DAMPER!!!!! LMAO!~

02-06-2014, 02:13 PM	#267 (permalink)
COSMO A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: FL Posts: 1,816 Drives: 2012 Touring GTM TT Rep Power: 20	Are you sure they look identical...??

02-06-2014, 02:16 PM	#268 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	So yeah ur gonna need the pump instal bracket and return line adapter for a 370 Edit actually u should have the pump bracket already since you were tt so u just need the return line adapter for the z Sent from my HTCONE using Tapatalk __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50 Last edited by 1slow370; 02-06-2014 at 02:19 PM.

02-06-2014, 02:20 PM	#269 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	The z can has metal struts not lastic and the level sensor is on a black mount. The big difference is the jet pump fittings between the 2 are different Sent from my HTCONE using Tapatalk __________________ ANSWER PRICE LIST Answers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - $0.75 Answers (requiring thought) - - - - $1.25 Answers (correct) - - - - - - - - - - $12.50

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