All in for your super BP build!

I know you need serious power to play in the sandbox you live in

Don't worry I'm sure he will start his own thread soon enough on his awesome build!!! Can't wait to see it!!! It's funny because I was going the same route and had to back out due to money but at least now I know who got my deal from bp...

I will be sure to make a thread when the time comes. It was just time to move I have had the same set up for 2 years .I have the fuel system and motor time to shoot for the sky.

I hear ya squeeze, byt the time I get mine up and going again it's going to feel like a new car all over again...

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I will get some pics up tonight!!

Did you ever make the decision to sell your kit or continue with it?

Honestly I'm still undecided because it really cuts deep to have to fork out more money for another kit. Here are a few pics..

Sexy pics. I love the look of the engine

Same boat. I'm sure it's cheaper refresh and update the kit since you'll need a custom tune anyhow. Upgrade injectors, fuel pump, water lines, etc. Here's an idea short of getting an entire new kit... ditch the existing manifolds and turbos for the F.I. ones. It'll require a few changes, but I'm not sure what extent.

I actually spoke with tony about that but he wont do it. He wants full price right at 12k for his kit and although its seems to be a great kit it's too rich for my blood. Whats gets me is the turbo's are the most expensive parts right at around $1200 a piece so your really paying for are the exhaust manifolds and piping. The fuel accessories aren't that much but I just don't see why that kit is so much $.
Also there will not be a 370z next year anyway and on those other turbo kits out there no one has logged any kind of long term miles/reliability to backup the pricing... Remember when gtm was supposed to be the best thing like sliced bread? It's just way to early to see how these kits will do long term but this is just my opinion though.

Wow! I don't even know where to begin. First off, our kit is not $12,000. It is $2,000 less! If you cannot justify spending the money, I understand but you honestly have no idea what drives the cost of the kit or what we have put in to it. 2 years of R&D and testing. 10's of thousands of dollars spent that will take dozens of sales to break even. That is just the tip of the iceberg. We knew that going in to it and made it through the other side. The baddest TT Kit for this platform now exists. So for you to speculate about how much things cost in the kit and how much the kit itself should cost, it carries no weight. Are we not allowed to make money? What do you expect a business to do, just give it away! The sticker shock should not really be a sticker shock. You need to not compare it to a $6,000 TT Kit that is not even out on the market! Our kit was designed and is fairy priced to compete with the following kits...

Greddy "Tuner" Kit: $9,000+
GTM Garret Kit: $8,500+

I honestly am dumbfounded by what you wrote above after all of the phone calls and emails we have exchanged. We have accommodated you every time, regardless of how busy we were at that time. I even sent you detailed responses while on vacation. Never heard a response after the email sent to you on 3/27.

You are correct, we will not sell the manifolds or anything else separately. I have been asked this numerous times and my stance is the same. The kit sells as a whole and will not be parted out.

I am at a loss for words, so I guess I am done!

Tony

Tony this was not an attack on FI so please do not take it that way. I have purchase from your company and think you have a Great thing going and I'm sorry if I offended you in any way. After I was burned by gtm I would love to go with your awesome kit but can't do it because of money and what I said is the truth regarding the long term use of any new kit on the market, there is no long term feedback yet because no one has put any kind of real miles on any of them yet to know how reliable they will be. Something may need to be addressed down the road and there's nothing wrong with that but no one knows yet is all I am saying. I value you as a vender and a friend and what I said was only my opinion.
Oh and I did send you an email regarding what I had and didn't have.

Why does anyone buy any new product then? Brand new models and makes of cars come out and people line up to be the first ones to have them, yet they haven't been tested by consumers at all yet. If your style is to wait and see how a product does instead of lining up to be the very first, thats your choice. I think FI has been very transparent with the development and design of their kit, so it's not like they are all of the sudden releasing something new without any prior knowledge to the consumer base. Just my :twocents: (I don't speak for Tony or FI, these are just my own words)

I never said they did not know what they were doing and how to build a kit. From what I understand there are a few more company's about to release kits too so it must not be too hard. Regarding your little lecture of buying cars, I own several Toyota's btw and can you guess why? One thing is for sure after going through all of this is to buy a car already forced inducted because it is so much easier making it faster than making a NA car force inducted and I believe most experienced educated people will agree with me on that fact. Again nothing was said negative about FI and they would be my first choice if I could afford to fork out another 10k on a kit but my opinion on how these kits will perform down the road is true. No one knows not even any of these venders because no one has logged any real miles and I don't know about you guys buy my hard earned 10k is not easy to come by in todays economy so lets try and stay on topic here and not start a flame war and have this thread shut down.

Just wanted to say thanks Phunk for my new fuel gauge. It looks great and I will be sure to include that when in the video when I have my car tuned..

you bought just a fuel gauge? not running a return?

Dude not to be a douchey or anything around those lines but when you say phrases like "it must not be too hard" to develop a kit and you contradict yourself in your own post about "it's so much easier making it faster" when you refer to a forced inducted car it makes people wonder if you are really thinking when you type....and how you say you aren't attacking FI....you actually are....read some of your posts to yourself...and I think kfull was just pointing out the fact that people will still buy a product that no one knows the long term outcome or consequences because people are consumers and there is no way to play safe when your buying something unless it has been around for a while and yes you are right there is no way of knowing if it is reliable in the long run but that's what maintenance is all about.....it's not magic land where everything stays the same the day you bought it....everything is bound to break down sooner or later.....
And I'm sort of new to the forum but after reading the FI build from when they first started developing to the finish....Most people will agree that what they did was hard work or else everyone would be making their own kits left and right......I bet people could but it would not be as great....



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built block with no fuel return is Blasphemy!!

When my build is finished everything will be listed but at this it is still being put back together. As far as some of these worthless post go, they will be cleaned up shortley... After speaking with charles himself we both agreed ot was not necessary with my power levels and fuel pump and injectors. Its not your money so if you do not like it I suggest starting another thread on whether one is needed or not and to how much power you are planning on running. What is sad is there are only a hand few of us guys who can afford to run built motors and being lectured by those who think they know what is needed and not. Run what you want on your car it makes no difference to me but until you have money going in my car feel free to keep it to yourself.... I started this thread only to help others going that route possibly down the road but if this gets out of hand and not on subject I will delete it.

I think everyone one else with a built block also went with a return system. I wonder at what hp the stock returnless system becomes inadequate. Or has that already been noted?

Cosmo it's all good info bro that's all.
I've been following your build thread because I too have the stage 2 and wanted to see what this kit can do on a built block. I didn't know or most of us didn't know that you weren't gonna up the boost. If ur gonna keep the boost to 10 lbs that's different.

That being said I'm tuned to 12 lbs on pump 93. With the 600s fuel injectors I was running out of fuel. Dunno if ur switching up injectors.

I thought you were gonna test the limits of the turbo kit and up the boost. But it'll still be a lot of fun.

This has been already gone over and over. Try calling Charles at cjm if you have any doubts on your setup...

http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...-system-2.html

It's been noted! And the guys that asked about you not running a return system on a built block all have built blocks.... no reason to get upset, been following this thread and thought you were trying to push some limits. Either way, good luck!

It's okay, it's your thread so you're entitled to your opinions. I didn't know that stuff couldn't be purchased separately. If I were to start over I'd try the F.I. kit, but I've exhausted my funds for now haha. Maybe someday I'll get back to this hobby, so here's to hoping my motor doesn't pop till then :)

Regardless, our platform is fairly cheap. I've been drooling for a GT-R fitted with the AMS Alpha 9 kit as a daily driver. Then again, I rather daily drive a fully built Z for the simple fact of rowing my own gears.

I'm going with these injectors 1050cc FIC SP Nissan 350Z/370Z Fuel Injector Clinic Injector Set (High-Z) with my aeromotive stealth 340 fuel pump... Again I have known Charles since being on the the 350z forum and have already confirmed that this setup is PERFECT with my power levels. We have already covered all of this people. Also you seem to be forgetting I went with a 10.1 compression so my fuel pressure will not drop as much as a lower comp motor..

Good call on the pump upgrade. So what's the process like ditching the Walbaro for the Aeromotive pump? Additional mods? I notice my fuel level sender is acting up again, but it's not too extreme. Just the right most indicator not lighting up for a few hours after filling the tank. Something to think about.

It's a really simple switch and that stealth pump fits in there perfectly.. I'll bet most of you didn't even know that gtm ripped off Charles's fuel mod listed on their install instructions and stole the exhaust manifold designs from hks and stamped their name on it...

anyone know of HKS manifolds cracking? just curious.

To be honest I dont think too many were sold to really know...

You know other than gtm's crapping customer service I really like my kit and I'm sure they had no idea that their manifolds would start cracking down the road but guess what they did. Trial and error right. This was the only point I was trying to make with some of these others kits out. Don't get me wrong, I'm still not a fan of gtm but before I spend another penny on another kit I will wait a lot longer for more feedback when people start putting some real miles on their kits to justify another 10k purchase. Props to sasha and tony bobby at vsr for whats looks to be the new benchmark of turbo kits for our cars..

As much GTM bs as you've had to put up with, I think you're still making the right call. I just think twin turbos are better for V configuration engines where space allows. Singles will still deliver great power, but I think piping length needs to be kept as short as possible and twins on a V does that very well.

When putting the Aeromotive 340 in the fuel sending unit, you will want to drill out the bottom venturi jet to .100 +/- a few thousands. This will minimize the fuel pressure spike at idle from the pump overwhelming the regulator passages in the sending unit.

I don't think so. You cant compare apple to orange.

HKS manifolds are made from Japan
HKS manifolds replica from GTM are made from China and this is why the flange is smaller than gasket. I guess T25 flange in China doesn't exists? who knows.

Cosmo
So when do you think you'll be up and running? Also where do you plan to go for tuning?

Should be up no more than a few weeks and the tune will ne done by bobby at vsr. For the break in I will run the base gtm map.. Will be back sat from vacation.. see ya!!

Happy for you Cosmo! Can't wait to see the results of your build! I'll be right behind ya man. :tiphat: