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At this point it's not a matter of doing business with me or anyone else for that matter but fixing my existing order since their product FAILED. I have a TT kit under a year old with hardly any miles with a Cracked Manifold. There are others here that also have cracked manifolds and surely more people that don't even know theirs have cracked... Let's face it people GTM has Failed us and will continue to take others money unless they know their business practices and poor workmanship.
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There's more than one way to skin a cat. For some reason I wouldn't be surprised if they have been sued before.. The sad thing here is why not just do the right thing and make things right with their customers past and present? The answer to that question is They Just Don't Care!!!
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or they are so back logged with thing to do and are spreading themselves so thin customers are falling thru the cracks....
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you guys crack me up
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I think we need to change the title :P
On serious note. Any update Cosmo? did you send the manifold to let VSR build new one?
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. . , I don't care whos still in MHI group buy, People have been warned but they managed to ignore, even the donor guys backed out and participated guys still blind. All I care about is the V3 manifold upgrade!!!!! Why its taking so long!?! |
Actually I have the driver side off and should have the passenger side off in the next hour. Should be able to get these out to vsr tomorrow. My motor is almost finished and bobby is waiting on those Cracked gtm manifolds... Will post up some pics next week on the manifolds being hopefully fixed..
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and replicated so we all can buy them :)
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Yes please all this crack talking is getting me paranoid
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Finally some pics of the hole in my motor and a pics of the gtm manifolds...
Also notice the exhaust manifold gasket between the turbo and the manifold. Do you see they did not cut the opening big enough. Don't know about you guys but I want all of the exhaust flow I can spinning those turbos up.. |
that exhaust flange needs help! STAT
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I think my tungsten bit can make that hole bigger the way it should have been...
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Vent holes on outside of block not good. :(
That manifold port is leaving hp on the table. :shakes head: If you are going to match the port to the gasket. Line up your gasket, tape it into place. scribe your line around the gasket, and then remove gasket. Dip your burr bit into ATF fluid before you grind. It will help keep the burr bit from dulling to quick. ;) |
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Will VSR make a production manifold for GTM kit owners? Any pricing? I start losing hope about getting the V3 upgrade. its never gonna happen. :shakes head: |
did u check the gasket to the turbo?
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I will ship my manifolds out tomorrow to vsr and they should have them in a few days. Bobby and his guys at vsr are going to examine the manifolds and hopefully come up with a much better option that will help us all. He did mention making a whole new manifold out if SS and offer them to others to buy useing my existing manifolds as a mold. That being said I would get the first set and fit them as trial and error before they are to be sold so no ones runs into fitment issues. Bobby said they would Warranty the parts but at this time I'm sure for how long. I honestly don't see this process lasting more than a month or so if things go well so be sure to check back periodically on the updates. Again it's a real shame gtm has resorted to tucking their tail between their legs and not addressing their major flaws leaving us the customers to fix them but I'm confident things will work out without the help of them...
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Hey thanks for the tips atf fluid I will try that and I couldn't agree more with leaving hp on the table since they failed to have matching ports on both sides.
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Two vendors should thank GTM now :rolleyes: Boost performance for marketing VSR for making money from manifold :rofl2: On serious note: If VSR manifold went into production before GTM v3 upgrade then screw it, count me in the group buy if any without even taking my permission.. |
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I see a light at the end of the tunnel. In for VSR manifolds.
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I'm in for manifolds!
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Dont those manifolds give you guys grief with the steering shaft and make you have to drill and tap the cylinder heads, etc? I wouldnt buy those manifolds if they were for sale, and a stronger duplicate wouldn't appeal any greater. If VSR wants to cast manifolds, I would ask them to do you a favor and toss those in the trash and do something all new :)
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All I care about VSR manifold is strong enough for real track users and DD people... (unlike the ones that are made for dyno queen only and garage parked the rest of its life :rolleyes:) I don't care if the design is trash or not. we already drilled the cylinder heads. After I saw the flange smaller than the gasket then that's the only thing I would like to point out to VSR to improve besides strengthen it up. |
Good point that's why I made it a point to tell bobby at vsr about the unneeded drilling and tapping. If they can replicate they should be able to make them without needing to drill and tap. One step ahead of you guys...;)
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Yeah isn't that a shame that they couldn't even get that right while designing them..
(After I saw the flange smaller than the gasket then that's the only thing I would like to point out to VSR to improve besides strengthen it up.) |
I dont think they designed them to begin with. I will have to dig through old photos but I am about 95% sure they are copies of the old HKS manifolds only with that strange proprietary 4 bolt wastegate flange added. If that is the case, it would possibly explain why they wouldnt fit very well without the same little turbos HKS was using in their now long discontinued "turbo starter kit" they were selling for 350z/G35. It was a bare turbo/manifold kit and the buyer had to fab up IC and piping. Really an awesome idea because so many people would love to build their own kit, but manifolds on this engine layout is just too hard for most fabricators and DIYers. But it didnt take off.
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Ah yes, here we are.
GT Motorsports: G37S VVEL Twin Turbo, 4.5L Stroker, MoTeC, SEMA '07 Project Car - MY350Z.COM Forums For a brief moment, GTM was marketing this GTM/HKS turbo kit that was based on the HKS turbo starter kit I spoke of. They didnt market this much long at all before they had their own manifolds for their own GTM kit. Judge for yourself, but looks the same to me. Anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but based on what I am seeing, I am pretty sure that the only parts they engineered in their turbo systems were the intercooler pipes and wastegate pipes. |
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You are correct sir they look Exactly like them...
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You can judge better than I, I dont have a set of those manifolds in my hands right now to compare to the detailed photos in that thread.
But if that is the case, it probably sheds a lot of light on the issue with their new manifolds. This is not the easiest car to be learning new things on. |
Damn.... Just keeps getting worse n worse...
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Sad thing is....this was only the first thing this company his ripped off....research is priceless.
IMHO, don't wait for the v3/modified MHI/scrapped MHI/failed MHI/made in godknowswhere headers if you are looking to keep the GTM kit(v1 or whatever). You would likely need to fab downpipe/ic piping for a start, god knows what else. Luckily VSR is taking these on for you guys, but it will take Bobby and team a miracle to perfect these, I wouldnt put it past them! It's pretty easy to see why HKS could not give a damn if someone stole their manifold design....that **** is ugly. If I was in market, I would have gone greddy all day, but that's just me. Still rooting for ya cosmo, wherever you go with your build, go large! Thanks for progress on your build, been an interesting read on my vacation! |
Hey thanks faceglide, I know I have mentioned this before and going to mention it again but I honestly think I'm going to sell my gtm stage II Twin Turbo kit and go with another. I even have a set of their 3" downpipes to go with it but I really need a set of stock exhaust manifolds... I know some of you may or may not have your laying around. The thing is I've been talking to other turbo manufactures and looking for a deal since I do have a built motor to see what some of these kits can really do. No decisions have been made yet but whatever it will be it's going to be pretty awesome... My used gtm TT kit will be put of the forum very soon at a great price since it only has 3k miles on it and it will be sold with the fixed exhaust manifolds or new fabricated ones...
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Are you just selling to get the bad taste out of your mouth? Most of the critical components aren't made by GTM. Once you get the manifolds fixed and redo the water lines, you've fixed the issues with the kit. I don't see there being a dramatic difference in performance at the end of the day, but you'd be out thousands of dollars at minimum.
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Chuck your right I don't think their would be a huge difference in performance but no one has any viable options on the table regarding the waters lines too... This lack of boost in my life is Killing me!!!! !@#$%^&*()
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Well you have my attention so please keep me updated. I'm hoping to have my built motor back in the next few weeks but have no idea on how long it will take vsr to fix or fab those manifolds..
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