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Like I said before, you guys that are about to take the plunge to go fi had better be paying attention because at this point I have no options for a built block and even when I do manage to get my hands on one it will still take a lot of time to install the turbo kit again and then install the motor... At this point Iam seriously considering buying another stock motor and selling the tt kit and then selling the car.
Extra money is a definite....started off at $7000 and it end around $14k+ for my last FI build and now it's a sitting in a box collecting even more rust than it threw into my stock block.(STS GARBAGE!)

Almost feel bad for the poor guy that bought that Z.......almost.

If I win the lottery, I swear to zombie Jesus, I'm going to start a tuner shop that does have all these parts in stock and would be ready in a matter of days to be shipped. I can see the money already stacking up when those one kits are shipped and people start to install them
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I have read a lot on this forum even before taking delivery of my 2013 370Z Sport in July 2013. I had a 2003 350Z and wanted a 370 in a bad way.
I finally got one and gave the 350 to my younger bro.
which by the way is an awesome car. It's a bit more fun to drive then the 370.

I wanted to boost my 370 and even invested in a complete Stillen SC kit (yeah I know ) a month after I purchased the car. It was only then that I really started reading all the threads about FI.

My conclusion as it applies to me. Purchase a GT-R. Yes it is 65 - 75 K more expensive than a stock 370Z. Add all the FI mods and headaches and that 65 - 75 K turns out to be a lot less. The GT-R seems to hold it value as well.
I have sold my FI kit to a forum member here before I installed it. I purchased a LTI, CBE, and springs. I will keep my 370 as close to stock as possible and sell it in a year and upgrade to a GT-R or possibly another car like a 2014 Vette, M3 or 911.
By the way the car is my toy. It is something I always wanted and I now have a few bucks and can afford a toy. It is not a DD.

I enjoy the forum and I am sure there are many FI success stories out there.
Good luck with the repairs Cosmogirl I hear you hinting at the GT-R, thus my motivation to respond.
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Like I said before, you guys that are about to take the plunge to go fi had better be paying attention because at this point I have no options for a built block and even when I do manage to get my hands on one it will still take a lot of time to install the turbo kit again and then install the motor... At this point Iam seriously considering buying another stock motor and selling the tt kit and then selling the car.
We all know the ultimate risk when we take on an FI project. That doesn't really lessen the sting much when your motor goes down. I know this (like Cosmogirl) all too well. Then with the added downtime and BIG $$$ additional investment it adds insult to injury.
With all the talk of "how much power a stock can handle reliably" it is easy to lie to yourself and say it won't happen to me. I know I did.

You MUST plan for the worst and hope for the best. Otherwise you will be devistated when it does happen to you.
Think of it like shoving three sticks of dynamite to the cylendars when they are designed to handle one or two.

Good luck with the built motor!
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[QUOTE=Wattles;2579102]We all know the ultimate risk when we take on an FI project. That doesn't really lessen the sting much when your motor goes down. I know this (like Cosmogirl) all too well. Then with the added downtime and BIG $$$ additional investment it adds insult to injury.
With all the talk of "how much power a stock can handle reliably" it is easy to lie to yourself and say it won't happen to me. I know I did.

You MUST plan for the worst and hope for the best. Otherwise you will be devistated when it does happen to you.
Think of it like shoving three sticks of dynamite to the cylendars when they are designed to handle one or two.

Good luck with the built motor![/QUOT

I see you have a gtm long block?
How long did it take to get from from them? I have the money to pull the trigger but no options.

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I see you have a gtm long block?
How long did it take to get from from them? I have the money to pull the trigger but no options. Suck @ss...
It's hard to say how long since I was dealing with other issues (like waiting for newly designed manifolds and such).
I'm guessing (and it's a guess based on my experience) that the quoted time will be a few (3 maybe) weeks for a rebuild & mod of your current engine/long block. But I stress you should plan MUCH longer (again based on MY experience).

That being said, I absolutely feel Sam tried to give me a huge break on the work he did. The engine is holding up well and feels super solid.
I think Sam works very hard to make everyone as happy as possible; but completely over extends his ability to crank out cars & kits. This leads to multiple missed deadlines.

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(That being said, I absolutely feel Sam tried to give me a huge break on the work he did. The engine is holding up well and feels super solid.
I think Sam works very hard to make everyone as happy as possible; but completely over extends his ability to crank out cars & kits. This leads to multiple missed deadlines.)

I couldn't agree more, I like sam as well but much is to be learned...
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Dude, I'll come work for you. Nothing I like better than building engines. I just don't have the space. I've been thinking of the whole 'hit the lottery' thing. I'm thinking a multiple bay shop, dyno, paint booth and machine shop. The midwest needs another world-class Z shop.
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We all know the ultimate risk when we take on an FI project. That doesn't really lessen the sting much when your motor goes down. I know this (like Cosmogirl) all too well. Then with the added downtime and BIG $$$ additional investment it adds insult to injury.
With all the talk of "how much power a stock can handle reliably" it is easy to lie to yourself and say it won't happen to me. I know I did.

You MUST plan for the worst and hope for the best. Otherwise you will be devistated when it does happen to you.
Think of it like shoving three sticks of dynamite to the cylendars when they are designed to handle one or two.

Good luck with the built motor![/QUOT

I see you have a gtm long block?
How long did it take to get from from them? I have the money to pull the trigger but no options.
Thats exactly why im having my engine built getting ready for my fi tt kit

Sorry to hear ur troubles bro
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...To be honest the only thing I can think of is when I bought a boost controller I was having boost issues. The car was hitting 20psi of boost until I found the problem... ...At this point my guess is that when the car was overboosting is must have weakend one of the rods and when john from z1 was tuning it finally gave. I will post pictures but it looks like cylinder #5. To any of you guys about to go FI you better have some dough ready for when this kinda thing may happen. These engine are strong from the factory but are not made for boost. I do not blame Z1 for what happened and do not blame anyone. Its tough to watch your car blow a motor but the way I look at it there are a lot more things in this world to have to worry about like health issues in such. John from z1 is going to work me up a price for a short block and after everything is re-built I do plan on going back to z1 for another tune. My goal now is to shoot for 600whp since I have the stage II kit so I will need some advice from you guys who have actually tested those waters.
Thanks again for the help and kind words..
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It's no fun but like I said you guys about to go FI better have some money put back for a rainy day when and if it happens.... Iam thinking with the TT kit, clutch, built motor, tune, etc, etc, etc I think it would be safe to say right around 20k. Still a lot less than a gtr and most other cars that could compete with a boosted z apples to apples...
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I sent sam from gtm an email about a built long block since their web page says they have a few in stock but there's no telling when I may or may not hear anything back. Should have just bit the bullet and bought a gtr from the get go... !@#$%^&*()
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You would think some of these company's who make TT kits for our cars would have some built motors ready to go when someone pops a motor.... Hell what do I know..
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I guess they think out of the 100+ people on the group buy that not one will pop. But who cares at that point because they made their money... I was hoping APS would make a TT kit like they did for the 350z... Also not everyone is going to have extra money to put in an over built motor when all most need is just a basic motor with forged internals and a lower compression. I am sorry but there is no excuse but poor management.
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I remember you from the 350z forum and yes I was pleased with my aps kit. No drilling or tapping of anything and my old car is still on the road today with that kit. I also have a friend in dallas who has a aps single turbo with almost 200k miles. Gtm has a very good TT kit but they lack business savvy and should not be making promises they cannot keep. The sad thing is, now everything is finally catching up to them in a bad way because bad news travels faster than good news. You people are going to be stuck down the road because look at what is happening now with your kits. If I had it to do again I would not invested so much money in a company that who knows where will be down the road...
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I see you have a gtm long block?
How long did it take to get from from them? I have the money to pull the trigger but no options.
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I thought it would only be fair to start a thread on how many people have backed out of the GTM TT Kit group buy? So far I think its 3 but please correct me if I am wrong. I sent sam an email 2 days about a built long block but well you know how things work with gtm...
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Spohn I must say I am shocked and sorry to hear your FI dream is lost. I know I mess with you a lot but its all in good fun brother. After all of this I may just uninstall the kit and sell it since it only has 4k miles. I found a stock motor and on ebay and may go that route then sell the car to move on to something else that doesn't involve gtm in any way. Any takers on used GTM Stage II TT kit?
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Well as you know my motor blew at z1 and I need a price for a long block shipped? This is your chance to redeem yourself with me and I do not want to deal with mike. Please give me some fair pricing and real-time availability..

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We totally disagree with you on needing a built engine. We have sold over 1,000 turbo kits and the engine failure rate is less than 2%. Although, there is always a risk, and anytime you are boosting a car, a stock engine can simply not take the engine power. In any case, your lack of common sense is what put you in this predicament. Remember when you called me about you seeing 40psi on the boost controller and asking me whether or not that was possible? So you bought a used boost controller off eBay (very smart way of protecting your investment) and when the car overboosted doing 40psi, instead of diagnosing the car and finding out what is going on, you buy another boost controller and it does the same exact thing. Then you called me. All it was is that you ignored the selection of the type of wastegate setting on the Blitz boost controller. It needs to know if you have internal or external wastegate. You didn't buy the part from us, you always give us ****, and still, I walked you through setting up the controller. That is why you have a blown engine.

It is unfortunate that your engine failed. But despite us supporting you time and time again, you have an unjustifiably negative attitude towards our company. I don't think it is in both of our best interest to conduct any further business together. We wish you the best of luck.

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