Stillen SC - put on your seat belts

elperuano · 11-19-2013, 02:42 PM

You're being spoon fed information readily available with a simple search.
You're about to invest tens of thousands of dollars in FI and don't even know the basics yet?

Search search then read read and reread. Know what your getting into before you start throwing money at vendors.

Good luck.

Shamrock · 11-19-2013, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elperuano

You're being spoon fed information readily available with a simple search.
You're about to invest tens of thousands of dollars in FI and don't even know the basics yet?

Search search then read read and reread. Know what your getting into before you start throwing money at vendors.

Good luck.

The forum exists so those of us with little knowledge can gain wisdom from those who have been "there and done that." Even with all the tips and pointers I've been given here (and they have been many and great) I still need to invest many many hours doing research. I am not ashamed to ask for help and I am sure that those with knowledge are happy to help.

So, is it a narrow band or wide band? 😜

thanks

Bart

elperuano · 11-19-2013, 03:18 PM

Lol.. it's wideband.

Sh0velMan · 11-19-2013, 03:18 PM

Chuck33079 · 11-19-2013, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shamrock

The forum exists so those of us with little knowledge can gain wisdom from those who have been "there and done that." Even with all the tips and pointers I've been given here (and they have been many and great) I still need to invest many many hours doing research. I am not ashamed to ask for help and I am sure that those with knowledge are happy to help.

So, is it a narrow band or wide band? ��

thanks

Bart

I've read some posts that say the OEM sonsors are wideband, but the shop who built my car recommended a separate one. I don't remember the explanation. Considering the cost of a FI build, another O2 and having a bung welded into the exhaust was a drop in the bucket.

Shamrock · 11-19-2013, 03:42 PM

Thanks Chuck. Useful info. What say you elperanal. Was Chuck right in installing it?

thanks

Bart

elperuano · 11-19-2013, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

This is my answer.

TKomodo · 11-19-2013, 04:01 PM

The STILLEN 500 HP Supercharged Nissan 370Z - /TUNED - YouTube
??????

esfourteen · 11-19-2013, 10:28 PM

the 370z has both narrowband and wideband O2 sensors. the widebands don't seem very accurate below 12, so its not very useful when you need to tune for boost.

your first post was hilarious, but by the 2nd page it was incredibly clear you had not done enough research, it went from "im going to prove all of you wrong and makes tons of power with stillen!" to "FI is expensive here, i can get the stillen kit cheap, should I do it and just be happy with whatever i wind up making?"

theres 9 pages here, I'm not sure why, stay NA. if you can barely afford the FI kit, what will do you if you hurt the engine?

Shamrock · 11-20-2013, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Shamrock

Hi,
I am from Israel and about to embark on the "Stillen Rollercoaster." My first goal is to put all the Stillen bashers and haters to rest. My second goal is to achieve some very nice WHP and Torque numbers that will calm all of the people sitting on the fence down. I have read everypost out there about the Stillen SC and I am here to prove that this a great, powerful reliable kit. My tuner will be MaxTuning here in Israel; whom, to remind you made 555 WHP on my buddie's GTM SC. I'll be hybriding a little by installing the valvebody upgrade from GTM. Any advice would be greatly appreciated; you guys have much more knowleadge than we here. I have talked extensively to Stillen and GTM and they could not have been more helpful. Put on your seat belts and get ready for the build!!

Specs:
2011 370Z 7AT (30,000 km)
Stillen SC (to be installed)
Stillen Headers and Cats
Akropovitch CBE
GTM valvebody upgrade

Its very interesting how people hear what they want to hear or shall I say read what they want to read. I never claimed that I was aiming to reach that 555 horsepower from the GTM kit read and reread my post again and you'll see that all I said was I wanted to reach some nice horsepower and torque numbers. I quote "My second goal is to achieve some very nice WHP and Torque numbers that will calm all of the people sitting on the fence down." I don't understand what's hilarious about this. Almost 90 percent of the posts written about stillen are negative and all I'm saying is that I'd like to prove that the kit is really good and can make nice hp. Thanks anyways for chipping in after page 9 :-)

thanks

Bart

Shamrock · 11-20-2013, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Shamrock

Its very interesting how people hear what they want to hear or shall I say read what they want to read. I never claimed that I was aiming to reach that 555 horsepower from the GTM kit read and reread my post again and you'll see that all I said was I wanted to reach some nice horsepower and torque numbers. I quote "My second goal is to achieve some very nice WHP and Torque numbers that will calm all of the people sitting on the fence down." I don't understand what's hilarious about this. Almost 90 percent of the posts written about stillen are negative and all I'm saying is that I'd like to prove that the kit is really good and can make nice hp. Thanks anyways for chipping in after page 9 :-)

thanks

Bart

PS I hardly think that "my lack of research" will cause damage to my engine as long as I have a good tune and a good kit.

thanks

Bart

Chuck33079 · 11-20-2013, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shamrock

Its very interesting how people hear what they want to hear or shall I say read what they want to read. I never claimed that I was aiming to reach that 555 horsepower from the GTM kit read and reread my post again and you'll see that all I said was I wanted to reach some nice horsepower and torque numbers. I quote "My second goal is to achieve some very nice WHP and Torque numbers that will calm all of the people sitting on the fence down." I don't understand what's hilarious about this. Almost 90 percent of the posts written about stillen are negative and all I'm saying is that I'd like to prove that the kit is really good and can make nice hp. Thanks anyways for chipping in after page 9 :-)

thanks

Bart

But it can't. It's a mediocre kit that can make mediocre hp, and we've seen as many blown motors with it as other options, so it's not even any safer. The only mitigating factor is that you're getting it cheap. It's not going to get anyone off the fence. We've seen build after build with that kit underperform. It's a substandard option designed for people who have to deal with CARB. You're a special case since you've got some cost issues the rest us don't have to deal with.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shamrock

PS I hardly think that "my lack of research" will cause damage to my engine as long as I have a good tune and a good kit.

thanks

Bart

You need to have a long talk with the shop that will be installing and tuning your kit. They're the people that need to be helping you. The Stillen has many cut corners that make it less reliable than other options, so you're already not getting a "good kit". Lack of research can end up with a blown motor, so talk to the tuner and take all of his advice. Don't pick and choose which parts to buy, do everything he tells you.

Shamrock · 11-20-2013, 09:48 AM

Chuck, your advice is always solid. I probably trust the people here on the forum more than the tuner (lack of experience.) The mechanic I trust fully; however, he doesn't know of the shortcuts you speak of. This knowledge is gained through experience. I am constantly being told to do research. I thought that forum chat was part of it; however, many people are grudgingly giving it. What are the shortcuts you speak of?

thanks

Bart

Chuck33079 · 11-20-2013, 09:55 AM

We've explained the issues. The maf piping. The intercooler. The undersized injectors. The canned tune. The blower itself is a good unit. It's all of the Stillen stuff around it that makes it underperform.

raymondo510 · 11-20-2013, 10:12 AM

I just need to move out of California...

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esfourteen A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: LI, NY Posts: 1,375 Drives: 40th TT Rep Power: 18	the 370z has both narrowband and wideband O2 sensors. the widebands don't seem very accurate below 12, so its not very useful when you need to tune for boost. your first post was hilarious, but by the 2nd page it was incredibly clear you had not done enough research, it went from "im going to prove all of you wrong and makes tons of power with stillen!" to "FI is expensive here, i can get the stillen kit cheap, should I do it and just be happy with whatever i wind up making?" theres 9 pages here, I'm not sure why, stay NA. if you can barely afford the FI kit, what will do you if you hurt the engine? elperuano, Chuck33079 and Wonka2581 like this. __________________ Build Thread \| GTM TT Install Thread \| Engine Build Thread

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Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	We've explained the issues. The maf piping. The intercooler. The undersized injectors. The canned tune. The blower itself is a good unit. It's all of the Stillen stuff around it that makes it underperform. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

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elperuano A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southwest FL Posts: 1,374 Drives: G37S Rep Power: 29	You're being spoon fed information readily available with a simple search. You're about to invest tens of thousands of dollars in FI and don't even know the basics yet? Search search then read read and reread. Know what your getting into before you start throwing money at vendors. Good luck.

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elperuano A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southwest FL Posts: 1,374 Drives: G37S Rep Power: 29	Lol.. it's wideband.

11-19-2013, 03:42 PM	#126 (permalink)
Shamrock Base Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Israel Posts: 215 Drives: 370z 2011 AT White Rep Power: 13	Thanks Chuck. Useful info. What say you elperanal. Was Chuck right in installing it? thanks Bart

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11-20-2013, 09:48 AM	#133 (permalink)
Shamrock Base Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Israel Posts: 215 Drives: 370z 2011 AT White Rep Power: 13	Chuck, your advice is always solid. I probably trust the people here on the forum more than the tuner (lack of experience.) The mechanic I trust fully; however, he doesn't know of the shortcuts you speak of. This knowledge is gained through experience. I am constantly being told to do research. I thought that forum chat was part of it; however, many people are grudgingly giving it. What are the shortcuts you speak of? thanks Bart