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Chuck33079 11-21-2013 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by 1087 (Post 2577512)
Dynojet424xLC2.
I will post it the actual page of the report from DSPORT
This is after SC install, no tune.
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q...psaf9c59b1.jpg
This is with tune, and cat back.
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q...psa5899d94.jpg

Does that say 293 whp stock?

1087 11-21-2013 11:45 AM

Does that say 293 whp stock?>>>
Yes.

elperuano 11-21-2013 12:41 PM

They did a lot of testing on that car. I like how they made the hood n bumper to flow lots of air in and out of the engine bay.

1087 11-21-2013 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by elperuano (Post 2577725)
They did a lot of testing on that car. I like how they made the hood n bumper to flow lots of air in and out of the engine bay.

Yes they did a lots of testing, the car has countless dyno runs from beginning to end.

JWillis72 11-21-2013 02:54 PM

My kit arrived October 4th 2013 and came with 600cc injectors. I do remember seeing IDC of 90% during the tuning but only in areas that were running way rich. In the final tune I don't remember seeing anything above low 80s. On my kit I know there is plenty of injector because the caned tune was running way to much fuel to the engine. My kit is also at 406whp so they might not be enough for 500+ but for my car they are working great.

1087 11-21-2013 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 2577989)
My kit arrived October 4th 2013 and came with 600cc injectors. I do remember seeing IDC of 90% during the tuning but only in areas that were running way rich. In the final tune I don't remember seeing anything above low 80s. On my kit I know there is plenty of injector because the caned tune was running way to much fuel to the engine. My kit is also at 406whp so they might not be enough for 500+ but for my car they are working great.

Yes the caned tune it's way too reach if you look at the tables that I posted.
Obviously they had to cover few parameters, hence that tune came with the kit.
You are spot in your post about IDC percentages.

TKomodo 11-21-2013 07:23 PM

The parts list I have just says 6 injectors. How can you tell what size they are? There are no markings to indicate what size they are.

JWillis72 11-21-2013 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TKomodo (Post 2578348)
The parts list I have just says 6 injectors. How can you tell what size they are? There are no markings to indicate what size they are.

I can't remember if it was on the injector or if we looked up a part number during install. I don't think the part number is listed anywhere in the paper work. Do you have it installed?

TKomodo 11-21-2013 07:38 PM

No..Not installed yet. Kit is still the box. Waiting on supporting mods

JWillis72 11-21-2013 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TKomodo (Post 2578376)
No..Not installed yet. Kit is still the box. Waiting on supporting mods

Can you pull out your injectors so we can see what they sent you?

TKomodo 11-21-2013 08:16 PM

I'm am unable to attach a picture from my phone

JWillis72 11-21-2013 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TKomodo (Post 2578443)
I'm am unable to attach a picture from my phone

Is there a part number or cc?

1087 11-21-2013 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TKomodo (Post 2578443)
I'm am unable to attach a picture from my phone

If you take the time to read my first attachment from DSPORT it clearly said under "fueling the fire" paragraph the injectors size.

TKomodo 11-22-2013 08:54 AM

injectors
 
2 Attachment(s)
here is what I have

Sh0velMan 11-22-2013 09:20 AM

So, on the subject of the car in DSPORT...

The baseline pull was abnormally high for a 370Z.

We can, however, normalize the results, which make for some very believable findings... It isn't exactly scientific, but it's better than nothing.


If we go with the "275hp stock" number that most people agree is the average...

275 / 293 = .939

409 * .939 = 384HP Stillen Baseline


All the other ****:
453 * .939 = 425HP.

Which is believable in ideal conditions. :tup:

Chuck33079 11-22-2013 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2579281)
So, on the subject of the car in DSPORT...

The baseline pull was abnormally high for a 370Z.

We can, however, normalize the results, which make for some very believable findings... It isn't exactly scientific, but it's better than nothing.


If we go with the "275hp stock" number that most people agree is the average...

275 / 293 = .939

409 * .939 = 384HP Stillen Baseline


All the other ****:
453 * .939 = 425HP.

Which is believable in ideal conditions. :tup:

That makes more sense. All of the other guys putting down 450whp+ had swapped out a lot of the kit's components.

Sh0velMan 11-22-2013 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2579285)
That makes more sense. All of the other guys putting down 450whp+ had swapped out a lot of the kit's components.

Yeah, and just to be clear, me saying the pull is abnormally high isn't me saying that the car puts out more power than others.

It's me saying that dyno's correction factors are wrong.

Chuck33079 11-22-2013 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2579293)
Yeah, and just to be clear, me saying the pull is abnormally high isn't me saying that the car puts out more power than others.

It's me saying that dyno's correction factors are wrong.

Yeah, either it's a high reading dyno all the time, or inflated for magazine use. I'm sure it's a blast to drive, but people looking to buy a Stillen kit need to understand 460whp is not the norm. At all.

Sh0velMan 11-22-2013 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2579305)
Yeah, either it's a high reading dyno all the time, or inflated for magazine use. I'm sure it's a blast to drive, but people looking to buy a Stillen kit need to understand 460whp is not the norm. At all.

Beyond the norm, it's not even possible without significant changes to the kit. Plus I'd say 600CC injectors are gonna be close to their limits @ 460WHP.

Don't most of the Stage 1 turbo kits and the Stage 1 GTM S/C come with 660's?

Chuck33079 11-22-2013 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2579307)
Beyond the norm, it's not even possible without significant changes to the kit. Plus I'd say 600CC injectors are gonna be close to their limits @ 460WHP.

Don't most of the Stage 1 turbo kits and the Stage 1 GTM S/C come with 660's?

Yep.

TKomodo 11-22-2013 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 1087 (Post 2578604)
If you take the time to read my first attachment from DSPORT it clearly said under "fueling the fire" paragraph the injectors size.

I see what the article says BUT, the parts check list in the kit I have does not say 600cc nor is there anything on the injector itself that would help me identify whether it is 600cc or not.

JWillis72 11-22-2013 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by TKomodo (Post 2579331)
I see what the article says BUT, the parts check list in the kit I have does not say 600cc nor is there anything on the injector itself that would help me identify whether it is 600cc or not.

Hmm.. I thought mine said it on them but maybe I got it off the paperwork. Did you buy it from Stillen? If so call them and ask.

1087 11-22-2013 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sh0velMan (Post 2579293)
Yeah, and just to be clear, me saying the pull is abnormally high isn't me saying that the car puts out more power than others.

It's me saying that dyno's correction factors are wrong.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2579305)
Yeah, either it's a high reading dyno all the time, or inflated for magazine use. I'm sure it's a blast to drive, but people looking to buy a Stillen kit need to understand 460whp is not the norm. At all.


Well guys... to be polite, a short sentence, your comments are laughable:tiphat:

Chuck33079 11-22-2013 01:37 PM

Stillen SC - put on your seat belts
 
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Originally Posted by 1087 (Post 2579799)
Well guys... to be polite, a short sentence, your comments are laughable:tiphat:

Please explain. Your stock dyno is 15-20whp higher than usually seen here on dynojets. That skews your readings. That error is not linear, so the discrepancy increases as the output increases. Other members have had to replace most of the parts of the kit besides the blower to make 450+whp. What makes yours different? Is your car a factory freak? Are you running a different pulley than the standard kit? Or, much more likely, the dyno is inflated. The stock baseline shows this. 293 whp is unheard of for a stock car.

Not to mention the fact your on CA gas.

Chuck33079 11-22-2013 01:58 PM

In addition, the magazine claims 1.72 whp from an oil change. An amount that low is within the realm of run-to-run dyno variance, and can't be attributed to the oil change. The numbers are "buy these products from our advertisers" numbers.

Are you aware these numbers aren't accurate? Have you ever dynoed the car at another location to verify these quite frankly unheard of numbers, or are you going off the word of the magazine?

It's just the peak numbers that are incorrect. When you look at the change from stock, the Stillen kit gave you 116 extra whp. The custom tune added another 44. These are in line with the experiences of others.

elperuano 11-22-2013 02:07 PM

Pow pow pow.. Winnarrrrr chuck.

TKomodo 11-22-2013 02:42 PM

:stirthepot::drama:

Shamrock 11-22-2013 05:25 PM

Just dyno it elsewhere. Prove them wrong. 😊

thanks :)
Bart

JWillis72 11-22-2013 05:42 PM

Shamrock, are you buying the Stillen kit?

JWillis72 11-22-2013 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shamrock (Post 2580241)
Just dyno it elsewhere. Prove them wrong. 😊

thanks :)
Bart

Spending money to win a fight on a forum?:roflpuke2:

Shamrock 11-22-2013 05:45 PM

Already bought it. Havent opened boxes yet.

thanks :)
Bart

JWillis72 11-22-2013 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shamrock (Post 2580270)
Already bought it. Havent opened boxes yet.

thanks :)
Bart

Do yourself a favor a enjoy the kit without getting hung up on the numbers. The Stillen kit along with a good tune made my car a blast to drive and I hope it does the same for you.

future370zzz 11-22-2013 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 2580312)
Do yourself a favor a enjoy the kit without getting hung up on the numbers. The Stillen kit along with a good tune made my car a blast to drive and I hope it does the same for you.

Good advice...some people are never satisfied with what they have whether it's 500hp or 1000hp.

That's part of modifying your car, it will always be a money pit but as long as we're happy at the end of the day.:tup::driving:

ANMVQ 11-22-2013 07:11 PM

Just to add my.02 in cause I was down this road . The stock kit in NO SHAPE or form will make 460 WHP , just not going to happen . Before. I had my car custom tuned I only made 40 more WHP than my bolted tune. An to get to 460 WHP you have to change everything including the impeller on the SC

JWillis72 11-22-2013 07:21 PM

My car is at 406WHP and 302 tq and it's a blast to drive. Is it the biggest whp? no! But if being the fastest Nissan is what matters you should start with a GTR and a huge budget! What I wanted was to add some kick to my 370 and after a good tune I am very happy with the car.

elperuano 11-22-2013 07:24 PM

Whatcha talkin bout Willis! Lol

How much did ur kit cost u total?

JWillis72 11-22-2013 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by elperuano (Post 2580434)
Whatcha talkin bout Willis! Lol

How much did ur kit cost u total?

I grew up with that show so you are about the 10,000th person to say that to me!:shakes head: I have about 10K in the stillen supercharger, cat back exhaust,oil cooler and trans cooler.

future370zzz 11-22-2013 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ (Post 2580418)
Just to add my.02 in cause I was down this road . The stock kit in NO SHAPE or form will make 460 WHP , just not going to happen . Before. I had my car custom tuned I only made 40 more WHP than my bolted tune. An to get to 460 WHP you have to change everything including the impeller on the SC

I hope I hit 460whp on 91 octane.:yum:

1slow370 11-22-2013 07:35 PM

Does he get a prize for being 10000th?

JWillis72 11-22-2013 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370 (Post 2580448)
Does he get a prize for being 10000th?

If he does I promise he doesn't want it!


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