FI vs New car

Chuck33079 · 05-29-2013, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bldg636

$20K extra laying around to make a 1000hp monster, so it would be a relatively mild build

Your numbers are way off. 1000 hp is going to take a lot more than $20k.

theDreamer · 05-29-2013, 09:56 AM

This is a tough question because the 2 cars are very different.
RWD v AWD
NA factory v TT factory
6MT/7AT v 6AT double clutch
2 seater v 2+2

Plus many more, but I can say we have had guys go from the Z to the GT-R and GT-R to the Z and be happy. If you want to mod the car and tinker with it, and not up to the budget of a GT-R level you may want to stick with the Z for the time being. Even wait for the R36 in a few years and upgrade then to a GT-R.

theDreamer · 05-29-2013, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Your numbers are way off. 1000 hp is going to take a lot more than $20k.

Yeah, I believe many of the 800HP packages are around 50k currently and up depending on the manufacturer plus install.

MMC Racing · 05-29-2013, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

I've never driven a GTR. It doesn't really appeal to me. It's insanely capable, but it doesn't reach me on an emotional level, and that's a requirement for the price tag and astronomical cost of ownership. That being said, my boosted Z is exactly what I wanted. There's some downsides though. I'd expect it to cause a major drop in your resale value, especially if you trade it in. Mods generally count against you when you sell. If you're not planning on owning the car long term, don't do something so drastic as boosting the Z.

If you drove one - really drove it like you owned it - it would reach you emotionally. It is different of course because you obviously value pushing in a clutch pedal, but what you'll get back in return from the AWD system is a completely different high.

tibal · 05-29-2013, 09:58 AM

I say boost the Z..

Save on the side for a GTR and then who knows, maybe you will put that off a bit once you realize how much fun a boosted Z is

Also, downtime is not bad at all. Your talking anywhere from a week to a month if there are minor setbacks. Also, just run conservatively, have fun and avoid additional headaches.

Will surely keep you smiling for the next 2 years when behind the wheel.

Chuck33079 · 05-29-2013, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing

If you drove one - really drove it like you owned it - it would reach you emotionally. It is different of course because you obviously value pushing in a clutch pedal, but what you'll get back in return from the AWD system is a completely different high.

I've done the AWD thing before, and that's not my knock on it. The transmission I could learn to love too. It just does nothing for me aesthetically. Something that costs that much should have me going out to the garage at night to stare at it. It's shallow, but for $100k it should give me wood.

sfearl1 · 05-29-2013, 10:06 AM

I was in your shoes about 2-3 weeks ago. I was pretty much set on selling the Z at the end of the summer and saving for a down on a 2015 GTR. Then I went to ZDayZ and saw the Fast Intentions TT running at the airstrip event. IIRC, the car was putting down ~490whp at 7.5psi on pump gas (91). It was consistently running with a modded GTR (mid-pipe and tune) up to 140mph. The FI team was confident the car would've pulled on it at higher boost.

At $10k plus labor and supporting mods, it's a better move for me financially at this point. Plus, I just think my Z is too damn sexy to get rid of.

Here's the video of it hanging at 140mph with the GTR..

sfearl1 · 05-29-2013, 10:32 AM

Another angle and 6:30...

elperuano · 05-29-2013, 11:28 AM

From a roll I can take lightly modded gtr's. From a dig I'd get handled easily.

Comes down to whatever OP wants. A GTR is a GTR. The king of the import world almost. But it also comes at a heavy price tag and maintenance ain't cheap and neither is modding.

A Z is much more affordable and factoring in cost to boost the Z and maintaining it your wallet will thank you. You could take the GTR from a roll but never from a dig. Now if the GTR had any performance package upgrades then from a roll or a dig you would have no chance with the Z.

All really comes down to how much ur willing to spend.

MMC Racing · 05-29-2013, 12:38 PM

If you run it from a roll. If the GT-R isn't modded. If you stick to straight lines with the first 2 being true.. Then, you might hang with one..

If you compromise enough and narrow the parameters to something completely meaningless, then you should boost the Z and call it a day.

Mitco39 · 05-29-2013, 01:06 PM

Then take a look at a 350Z up against this same FI 370z. Makes it look stock.

Edit: It wont take time stamps in our posts it is 12:14 for anyone who wants to find it. Here is a link to the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...QSToOGk#t=734s

bldg636 · 05-29-2013, 01:21 PM

Man . . . .decisions decisions . . . i'm really kinda leaning towards building the Z . . . I think it may be a more budget friendly decision . . . not to mention I really like wrenching on my own car and doing a TT install sounds like a lot of fun! I'm glad this is a topic that sparked some interest!

Chuck33079 · 05-29-2013, 01:25 PM

DIYing a tt install is not for the faint of heart, unless you have no problem dropping the motor. It's not required, but it makes it a lot easier.

elperuano · 05-29-2013, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mitco39

Then take a look at a 350Z up against this same FI 370z. Makes it look stock.

Edit: It wont take time stamps in our posts it is 12:14 for anyone who wants to find it. Here is a link to the time.

Hendersonville Airstrip (ZdayZ) Full Video - YouTube

That 350 must be fun. Built motor n lotta boost!

Mitco39 · 05-29-2013, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

DIYing a tt install is not for the faint of heart, unless you have no problem dropping the motor. It's not required, but it makes it a lot easier.

With BP's kit you dont need to do any of this. If you can change your Cats you can install this kit.

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Originally Posted by elperuano

That 350 must be fun. Built motor n lotta boost!

Yes sir, it happens to be one of Sasha's (BP's) kit. One day I hope to be able to but my kit to the test like this.

05-29-2013, 09:56 AM	#17 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4210	This is a tough question because the 2 cars are very different. RWD v AWD NA factory v TT factory 6MT/7AT v 6AT double clutch 2 seater v 2+2 Plus many more, but I can say we have had guys go from the Z to the GT-R and GT-R to the Z and be happy. If you want to mod the car and tinker with it, and not up to the budget of a GT-R level you may want to stick with the Z for the time being. Even wait for the R36 in a few years and upgrade then to a GT-R. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

05-29-2013, 09:58 AM	#20 (permalink)
tibal Track Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Safest Town In America Posts: 987 Drives: TT-370Z and 2.5RS Rep Power: 17	I say boost the Z.. Save on the side for a GTR and then who knows, maybe you will put that off a bit once you realize how much fun a boosted Z is Also, downtime is not bad at all. Your talking anywhere from a week to a month if there are minor setbacks. Also, just run conservatively, have fun and avoid additional headaches. Will surely keep you smiling for the next 2 years when behind the wheel. sfearl1 likes this. __________________ 2010 - PG - M6 - 370zTT 453/409 6lbs IG @TRbal10 TEAM FLY1 MOTORSPORTS

05-29-2013, 10:06 AM	#22 (permalink)
sfearl1 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: St. Louis Posts: 2,300 Drives: 2013 FBO E85 GTR Rep Power: 18	I was in your shoes about 2-3 weeks ago. I was pretty much set on selling the Z at the end of the summer and saving for a down on a 2015 GTR. Then I went to ZDayZ and saw the Fast Intentions TT running at the airstrip event. IIRC, the car was putting down ~490whp at 7.5psi on pump gas (91). It was consistently running with a modded GTR (mid-pipe and tune) up to 140mph. The FI team was confident the car would've pulled on it at higher boost. At $10k plus labor and supporting mods, it's a better move for me financially at this point. Plus, I just think my Z is too damn sexy to get rid of. Here's the video of it hanging at 140mph with the GTR.. tibal, BG370z, VSS370z and 1 others like this. __________________ Scott

05-29-2013, 10:32 AM	#23 (permalink)
sfearl1 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: St. Louis Posts: 2,300 Drives: 2013 FBO E85 GTR Rep Power: 18	Another angle and 6:30... Sales@F.I. Inc. likes this. __________________ Scott

05-29-2013, 12:38 PM	#25 (permalink)
MMC Racing Track Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 661 Drives: 2015 GT-R Rep Power: 17	If you run it from a roll. If the GT-R isn't modded. If you stick to straight lines with the first 2 being true.. Then, you might hang with one.. If you compromise enough and narrow the parameters to something completely meaningless, then you should boost the Z and call it a day. __________________ 2014 F150 Raptor, 2014 Mazda 3, 2015 Nissan GT-R

05-29-2013, 11:28 AM	#24 (permalink)
elperuano A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southwest FL Posts: 1,374 Drives: G37S Rep Power: 29	From a roll I can take lightly modded gtr's. From a dig I'd get handled easily. Comes down to whatever OP wants. A GTR is a GTR. The king of the import world almost. But it also comes at a heavy price tag and maintenance ain't cheap and neither is modding. A Z is much more affordable and factoring in cost to boost the Z and maintaining it your wallet will thank you. You could take the GTR from a roll but never from a dig. Now if the GTR had any performance package upgrades then from a roll or a dig you would have no chance with the Z. All really comes down to how much ur willing to spend.

05-29-2013, 01:06 PM	#26 (permalink)
Mitco39 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Edmonton Alberta Canada Posts: 2,089 Drives: 40th 370z Rep Power: 132	Then take a look at a 350Z up against this same FI 370z. Makes it look stock. Edit: It wont take time stamps in our posts it is 12:14 for anyone who wants to find it. Here is a link to the time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...QSToOGk#t=734s __________________ 2007 Chevy Duramax - EFILive Tuned By Me 2010 40th W/ Nav - Boosted Performance - UpRev Tuned By Me The Mrs. Ride -2012 335XI N55 BMW - Cobb Tuned By Me, Built by her My Build --> http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...39s-build.html

05-29-2013, 01:21 PM	#27 (permalink)
bldg636 Base Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 141 Drives: Nissan 370z Rep Power: 13	Man . . . .decisions decisions . . . i'm really kinda leaning towards building the Z . . . I think it may be a more budget friendly decision . . . not to mention I really like wrenching on my own car and doing a TT install sounds like a lot of fun! I'm glad this is a topic that sparked some interest! __________________ Ross '11 370z Just getting started . . .

05-29-2013, 01:25 PM	#28 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	DIYing a tt install is not for the faint of heart, unless you have no problem dropping the motor. It's not required, but it makes it a lot easier. elperuano likes this. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent