Stillen Supercharger estimates???

kannibul · 10-30-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370

They can't discuss anything because they don't work like GTM. We should all stop asking questions and instead go back to doing what we were and ramble for pages about what we want the kit to do. Ecu tune, screw compressor, ease of install/maintenance (this had better be easier than installing those god damn headers, and i better not need the torch to make it fit right). Also a plus would be making the inter cooler area of the manifold come apart so that at a future time a larger and more efficient core could be installed with a higher hood. Or the ability to pour ice in the water system (big reservoir with large lid). Or get crazy and add meth injection to the stage 4 kit. I know you won't do most of that but hey throws some ideas on the table.

I don't understand the secrecy, it doesn't help them at all. If anything, it'd be productive because there are a lot of people on here that want certain products, and are quite knowledgable. Instead they are assuming they know what's best for the 370z market.

I don't doubt that Stillen will make a quality product, but, if they come out with, say, a centrifugal supercharger, well, good luck...I'll wait for someone who's doing a roots/twin-screw type that has immediate low-end gains...or, go to a turbo where I'll get more power...

Even then, with a 7AT, I don't know how much farther I'll push it...if I go past bolt-ons.

G3 intake, F.I. Cat Back, and likely their longtube headers...and that'd probably be it until someone does forced induction on a 7AT. (G37 or 370Z)

LiquidZ · 10-30-2009, 12:45 PM

I am keeping my fingers crossed for a TVS unit.

The performance of those blowers is remarkable.

Zsteve · 10-30-2009, 09:04 PM

Can you guys tell us what PSI range it will be running on?

Zsteve · 10-30-2009, 09:12 PM

Wouldnt the centrifugal be better for our cars as it continues to build as the rpms increase? I think we have pretty good TQ off the line as is without having to worry about spinning the wheels. I came from a small turbo that had tons of low end TQ (300lbs for a car under 3K pounds) and it was great but kinda petered out in the upper rpms, wouldnt that happen with the roots/twin screw or would those give low and high end power?

What might help us 7AT guys is to have launch control, anyone know if that is available for us?

Mike · 10-30-2009, 10:49 PM

I can only offer this. I had a stage 3 stollen on my 350 and installed two vortech systems on friends cars for them. I greatly preffered the stillens response over the centri. Then, when I got my C6, I did a vortech on that, and at Spring Mountain Corvette school, I drove a callaway roots style. On the vette, the centri felt better. The 370 has more low end than the 350, but I still think the roots will be a better option. Especially if they go with a TVS

NewYorkJon34 · 10-31-2009, 01:17 AM

Either way, my goal is to have a Stillen supercharger (hopefully twin-screw) pushing 450whp/350tq.

imag · 11-23-2009, 08:15 PM

Totally unfounded speculation follows:

I was wondering today if this S/C is proving more tricky than they thought. Stillen knows that many people would want to track the car with the S/C on it and will keep that in mind when designing it. With all the issues cooling the stock motor, it may be difficult to find a way to keep it trackworthy with boost...

There may also be the CARB issues. They know we want 400 rwhp. That may be difficult to achieve and keep it CA legal.

Anyway, as I say, pure speculation... sorry if anyone came here hoping for an update.

Zsteve · 11-23-2009, 09:16 PM

I think part of it is to keep stock hood too, so they have to work around that also. Im not sure how much a regular SC give HP wise but with bolt ons we are at 300+ rwhp, so a SC would need to produce 80 - 100 rwhp. Im fine with 70 rwhp but the price would have to reflect the lower hp. I also wouldnt mind a slight mod to the hood as long as it keeps the lines it has on it if that would make it so they could use the other types of SCs.

1slow370 · 11-24-2009, 05:53 AM

You know what would be sweet if they sold a 2 sided pulley with the kit that when installed one way is set to california carb regulations and when put on the other way is set to normal for everyone else. Make it real obvious and have it say C.A.R.B legal on one side and NOT C.A.R.B LEGAL on the other.

Liquid_G · 11-24-2009, 10:01 AM

^^^ LOL at "ghey mode"

lemansz20 · 11-24-2009, 11:02 AM

I want to know about the G3 intakes if they will be compatible or everyone pretty much has to sell them for the new supercharger?? I think that is a question that should be answered, and it will give out no information really hurting the production of it.

imag · 11-24-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by lemansz20

I want to know about the G3 intakes if they will be compatible or everyone pretty much has to sell them for the new supercharger?? I think that is a question that should be answered, and it will give out no information really hurting the production of it.

It might hurt the sales of the G3 intakes though

In fact, since they haven't said anything, they most likely *do* replace the intakes. If they didn't, they would probably let us know. Besides, forced induction almost always requires custom intakes...

Red370 · 11-24-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by imag

It might hurt the sales of the G3 intakes though

In fact, since they haven't said anything, they most likely *do* replace the intakes. If they didn't, they would probably let us know. Besides, forced induction almost always requires custom intakes...

In order to fit the blower under the hood, I'm assuming they are making a custom intake plenum for the system, meaning different throttle body locations, could be a bit lower so fitment with the G3's may be an issue. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that no, they wont be compatible.

semtex · 11-24-2009, 03:15 PM

The fronts might be. Keep in mind that it's not a single piece all the way from the throttle bodies to the filters. I could see them tossing the back sections but keeping the front sections that actually pass through to the front of the radiator. This is completely speculative, of course.

kannibul · 11-24-2009, 03:51 PM

Just out of curiousity, if the engine RPM is controlled by VVEL, then why bother with having throttle bodies?

It's not like they're really doing anything...just staying wide open, and being in the way.

10-30-2009, 12:45 PM	#197 (permalink)
LiquidZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,940 Drives: Mag. Black 2009 370Z Rep Power: 705	I am keeping my fingers crossed for a TVS unit. The performance of those blowers is remarkable. __________________ Last edited by LiquidZ; 10-30-2009 at 01:06 PM.

10-30-2009, 09:04 PM	#198 (permalink)
Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: TX Posts: 3,298 Drives: the 2 balled club Rep Power: 22	Can you guys tell us what PSI range it will be running on? __________________ 2010 LS3 C6 Silver coupe corvette

10-30-2009, 09:12 PM	#199 (permalink)
Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: TX Posts: 3,298 Drives: the 2 balled club Rep Power: 22	Wouldnt the centrifugal be better for our cars as it continues to build as the rpms increase? I think we have pretty good TQ off the line as is without having to worry about spinning the wheels. I came from a small turbo that had tons of low end TQ (300lbs for a car under 3K pounds) and it was great but kinda petered out in the upper rpms, wouldnt that happen with the roots/twin screw or would those give low and high end power? What might help us 7AT guys is to have launch control, anyone know if that is available for us? __________________ 2010 LS3 C6 Silver coupe corvette

10-30-2009, 10:49 PM	#200 (permalink)
Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2186	I can only offer this. I had a stage 3 stollen on my 350 and installed two vortech systems on friends cars for them. I greatly preffered the stillens response over the centri. Then, when I got my C6, I did a vortech on that, and at Spring Mountain Corvette school, I drove a callaway roots style. On the vette, the centri felt better. The 370 has more low end than the 350, but I still think the roots will be a better option. Especially if they go with a TVS __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

11-23-2009, 08:15 PM	#202 (permalink)
imag Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 446 Drives: up the wall Rep Power: 16	Totally unfounded speculation follows: I was wondering today if this S/C is proving more tricky than they thought. Stillen knows that many people would want to track the car with the S/C on it and will keep that in mind when designing it. With all the issues cooling the stock motor, it may be difficult to find a way to keep it trackworthy with boost... There may also be the CARB issues. They know we want 400 rwhp. That may be difficult to achieve and keep it CA legal. Anyway, as I say, pure speculation... sorry if anyone came here hoping for an update. __________________ Stillen CBE, Stillen track cooler, Stillen Gen3 Intakes, B&M short shift kit

10-31-2009, 01:17 AM	#201 (permalink)
NewYorkJon34 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 3,041 Drives: 09 Fairlady Z Rep Power: 1065	Either way, my goal is to have a Stillen supercharger (hopefully twin-screw) pushing 450whp/350tq.

11-23-2009, 09:16 PM	#203 (permalink)
Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: TX Posts: 3,298 Drives: the 2 balled club Rep Power: 22	I think part of it is to keep stock hood too, so they have to work around that also. Im not sure how much a regular SC give HP wise but with bolt ons we are at 300+ rwhp, so a SC would need to produce 80 - 100 rwhp. Im fine with 70 rwhp but the price would have to reflect the lower hp. I also wouldnt mind a slight mod to the hood as long as it keeps the lines it has on it if that would make it so they could use the other types of SCs. __________________ 2010 LS3 C6 Silver coupe corvette

11-24-2009, 05:53 AM	#204 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	You know what would be sweet if they sold a 2 sided pulley with the kit that when installed one way is set to california carb regulations and when put on the other way is set to normal for everyone else. Make it real obvious and have it say C.A.R.B legal on one side and NOT C.A.R.B LEGAL on the other. Last edited by 1slow370; 11-27-2009 at 12:04 PM.

11-24-2009, 10:01 AM	#205 (permalink)
Liquid_G A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Chicago Burbs Posts: 1,439 Drives: 09 370z Supercharged Rep Power: 44	^^^ LOL at "ghey mode"

11-24-2009, 11:02 AM	#206 (permalink)
lemansz20 Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: THe world Posts: 195 Drives: Nissan Maxima Rep Power: 0	I want to know about the G3 intakes if they will be compatible or everyone pretty much has to sell them for the new supercharger?? I think that is a question that should be answered, and it will give out no information really hurting the production of it.

11-24-2009, 03:15 PM	#209 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 32	The fronts might be. Keep in mind that it's not a single piece all the way from the throttle bodies to the filters. I could see them tossing the back sections but keeping the front sections that actually pass through to the front of the radiator. This is completely speculative, of course. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

11-24-2009, 03:51 PM	#210 (permalink)
kannibul A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Jenks, OK Posts: 2,281 Drives: 370z Touring/Sport Rep Power: 267	Just out of curiousity, if the engine RPM is controlled by VVEL, then why bother with having throttle bodies? It's not like they're really doing anything...just staying wide open, and being in the way.

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