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Yes, live in California 23 37.70%
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Just curious how many members are interested in more CARB approved forced induction options and if you're in California or not.
I ask because I get the impression I'm the only one not in California that wants more CARB approved forced induction options.

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I live in Cali and still don't care about CARB approved things LOL
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What's the premium?
$100, no problem, $500, ehhhhhh... On the FI kit, not that much of a total cost increase, on the GTM kit it's 10%, so I see that as more of a turn off.

Honestly, it's nice to be CARB approved just in case a cop hassles you, or asks to pop the hood, or you get screwed with a sniffer test, but I live in CA, I I went FI, I wouldn't give two, or one, or even a tenth of a shìt if your worry is smog testing, when that day comes, pay someone $150, done.
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What's the premium?
$100, no problem, $500, ehhhhhh... On the FI kit, not that much of a total cost increase, on the GTM kit it's 10%, so I see that as more of a turn off.

Honestly, it's nice to be CARB approved just in case a cop hassles you, or asks to pop the hood, or you get screwed with a sniffer test, but I live in CA, I I went FI, I wouldn't give two, or one, or even a tenth of a shìt if your worry is smog testing, when that day comes, pay someone $150, done.
Actually, ive never owned a car that passes smog $150 sounds about right lol
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I get the impression I'm the only one not in California that wants more CARB approved forced induction options.
You are. Thank your lucky stars you don't have to deal with that hassle. There is NO benefit for anyone not in CA to be CARB legal.
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I live in Cali and still don't care about CARB approved things LOL
Ha, I guess I forget to include that option in the poll. My mistake...

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What's the premium?
$100, no problem, $500, ehhhhhh... On the FI kit, not that much of a total cost increase, on the GTM kit it's 10%, so I see that as more of a turn off.

Honestly, it's nice to be CARB approved just in case a cop hassles you, or asks to pop the hood, or you get screwed with a sniffer test, but I live in CA, I I went FI, I wouldn't give two, or one, or even a tenth of a shìt if your worry is smog testing, when that day comes, pay someone $150, done.
Wait a minute, there's a CARB approved GTM FI kit?

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You are. Thank your lucky stars you don't have to deal with that hassle. There is NO benefit for anyone not in CA to be CARB legal.
I think you're right and that's the impression I've gotten with regards to being interested in CARB options outside of CA. But, I disagree there's NO benefit for anyone not in CA to be CARB legal. Having a CARB sticker makes emissions testing easier and you'll pretty much never get hassled by the cops regardless of what state you're in. Maybe I should do some more research but that's my current opinion anyways.
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, I disagree there's NO benefit anyone no in CA to be CARB legal. Having a CARB sticker makes emissions testing easier and you'll pretty much never get hassled by the cops regardless of what state you're in. Maybe I should do some more research but that's my current opinion anyways.
Nobody outside of CA is going to give the sticker a second thought. CARB approval doesn't mean better, it just means somebody jumped through the hoops to get approval.
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Nobody outside of CA is going to give the sticker a second thought. CARB approval doesn't mean better, it just means somebody jumped through the hoops to get approval.
Not that you'll care about my states laws but this is what I'm confused on.

RCW 46.16A.060
Registration — Emission control inspections required — Exemptions — Educational information — Rules.


(1) The department, county auditor or other agent, or subagent appointed by the director may not issue or renew a motor vehicle registration or change the registered owner of a registered vehicle for any motor vehicle required to be inspected under chapter 70.120 RCW, unless the application for issuance or renewal is: (a) Accompanied by a valid certificate of compliance or a valid certificate of acceptance issued as required under chapter 70.120 RCW; or (b) exempt, as described in subsection (2) of this section. The certificates must have a date of validation that is within twelve months of the assigned registration renewal date. Certificates for fleet or owner tested diesel vehicles may have a date of validation that is within twelve months of the assigned registration renewal date.

(2) The following motor vehicles are exempt from emission test requirements:

(a) Motor vehicles that are less than five years old or more than twenty-five years old;

(b) Motor vehicles that are a 2009 model year or newer;

(c) Motor vehicles powered exclusively by electricity, propane, compressed natural gas, or liquid petroleum gas;

(d) Motorcycles as defined in RCW 46.04.330 and motor-driven cycles as defined in RCW 46.04.332;

(e) Farm vehicles as defined in RCW 46.04.181;

(f) Street rod vehicles as defined in RCW 46.04.572 and custom vehicles as defined in RCW 46.04.161;

(g) Used vehicles that are offered for sale by a motor vehicle dealer licensed under chapter 46.70 RCW;

(h) Classes of motor vehicles exempted by the director of the department of ecology; and

(i) Hybrid motor vehicles that obtain a rating by the environmental protection agency of at least fifty miles per gallon of gas during city driving. For purposes of this section, a hybrid motor vehicle is one that uses propulsion units powered by both electricity and gas.

(3) The department of ecology shall provide information to motor vehicle owners:

(a) Regarding the boundaries of emission contributing areas and restrictions established under this section that apply to vehicles registered in such areas; and

(b) On the relationship between motor vehicles and air pollution and steps motor vehicle owners should take to reduce motor vehicle related air pollution.

(4) The department of licensing shall:

(a) Notify all registered motor vehicle owners affected by the emission testing program that they must have an emission test to renew their registration;

(b) Adopt rules implementing and enforcing this section, except for subsection (2)(e) of this section, as specified in chapter 34.05 RCW.

(5) A motor vehicle may not be registered, leased, rented, or sold for use in the state, starting with the model year as provided in RCW 70.120A.010, unless the vehicle:

(a) Has seven thousand five hundred miles or more; or

(b)(i) Is consistent with the vehicle emission standards and carbon dioxide equivalent emission standards adopted by the department of ecology; and

(ii) Has a California certification label for all emission standards, and carbon dioxide equivalent emission standards necessary to meet fleet average requirements.

(6) The department of licensing, in consultation with the department of ecology, may adopt rules necessary to implement this section and may provide for reasonable exemptions to these requirements. The department of ecology may exempt public safety vehicles from meeting the standards where the department finds that vehicles necessary to meet the needs of public safety agencies are not otherwise reasonably available.

Does that mean every time I register my car I have to meet the standards the car was certified on (CARB or whatever)? Meaning not modify anything, etc? Regardless that is a law not in California that references California emission certification. If I'm missing something please feel free to correct me.

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It seems to mean that as long as the car was originally compliant with CA laws in order to be sold, you're ok.
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It seems to mean that as long as the car was originally compliant with CA laws in order to be sold, you're ok.
What about when I get new tags every year? Is that not registering your car? I mean when I get pulled over the officer asks for my registration and I give him what they gave me when I got new tags...

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Technically, yes. Most states will allow you to renew by mail, so no worries there. It's the inspection you've got to pay attention to. If all you have to do is present a car with no active or pending cels, you're good to go. A tune will disable them. If its a sniffer test you can usually get by with HFCs, but there's no guarantee. The rule you referenced seemed to be aimed at dealer sales, not annual re registration.
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Wait a minute, there's a CARB approved GTM FI kit?
Nope, but if their kit is $5000, and the cost per kit is $500 extra, that's an extra 10% in the price of the kit.
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Darli328, what I'm pretty sure they mean is that the car was sold in CA at some point.

And OP, CARB is California Air Research Board, it doesn't help a damn person outside CA.
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Technically, yes. Most states will allow you to renew by mail, so no worries there. It's the inspection you've got to pay attention to. If all you have to do is present a car with no active or pending cels, you're good to go. A tune will disable them. If its a sniffer test you can usually get by with HFCs, but there's no guarantee. The rule you referenced seemed to be aimed at dealer sales, not annual re registration.
I see what you mean but in my case I don't want to just get away with something. I want to know I'm 100% legal.

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Darli328, what I'm pretty sure they mean is that the car was sold in CA at some point.

And OP, CARB is California Air Research Board, it doesn't help a damn person outside CA.
Thanks, never really looked at it with the intent that it's meant for dealers. But, when I see the words registered, emissions, and California all in the same section I get confused on what I can and can't do legally. Same with department of ecology and EPA laws...
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You're not "getting away" with something. You're compliant under the regulations.
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