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Boosted Performance 04-21-2013 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 2277989)
This is very interesting that boost falls off in the upper rpm's .With my car my boost holds well all the way to red line but I am experiencing backpressure.

What kind of boost controller was used?.

That is strange because a person with an even larger turbine (same kit), and less psi is experiencing boost drop. Maybe these things are not being set properly? Just a thought I guess..however the comparison in flow between the vq37 and the V8's sure says a lot.

Mr.Squeeze 04-21-2013 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ENT-Z (Post 2278034)
Jason has the same controller as me, HKS EVC-S.

So we all have the same boost controller Gale and my self got tuned by the same tuner /same dyno

Mr.Squeeze 04-21-2013 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 2278073)
That is strange because a person with an even larger turbine (same kit), and less psi is experiencing boost drop. Maybe these things are not being set properly? Just a thought I guess..however the comparison in flow between the vq37 and the V8's sure says a lot.


When Vince tuned my car he set my boost controller I wonder if he set Gales when he tuned his car .

XwChriswX 04-21-2013 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 2277869)
Just to touch on that....


I will be doing a test on the next local dyno tune comming up in a couple of weeks here to figure this boost thing out.

I have done a lot of research, and it seems that the 1.32 a/r housing may just be optimal for these engines in the high RPM's. The dyno Gale posted is with the 1.15 a/r housing, and it still spools VERY fast. Because it does spool so fast, the turbine may still be a bit of a restriction in the upper RPM's. It makes perfect sense, but needs to be proven. To do this, I will log the EBP (exhaust back pressure) on the identical housing for a local tune with the 1.15 a/r housing. This is the exhaust pressure just before the turbine housing inlet (not after the turbo). This will give me (and I will share this as I do everything) a solid idea of what is going on, and if a larger turbine is indeed the way to go. This was my suspicion with with the 1.0 a/r housing, hence the upgrade in size. It did not work out as I had anticipated.


This engine is very efficient, and flows so well (and a lot) in the 6,000 to 8,000rpm that these (smaller) turbines may be a bit of a restriction. I have spend a lot of time trying to figure this out. I have also talked to a couple of shops that run these turbos on stroked 2JZ's, and they are making 700whp with these turbos and the 1.15 a/r housings. The guys are also saying that they would not even think about going to the 1.32 a/r housings as they are "for V8's". I am starting to think that the 370z engine at 7,500rpm flows a lot more than a V8 at 5,000rpm (for example). I also have a customer making 580whp with the identical twin scroll kit on a 350z, and the boost is solid from 3,500rpm to 7,000rpm on a 350z. But then again, on the VQ35, there is no point of going any higher with the RPM's, and there is a 200cc displacement difference.



It seems like the boost holds just fine up to about 6,500rpm, and then falls a bit after that. I am not sure why the EBC is unable to hold the boost steady/flat. I will get to the bottom of it, and as mentioned will report back.

It may not be a similar problem as it is boosted vs N/A, but I am having a similar problem with my LTH's. In the low/mid ranges, it improves power greatly, but after 6500rpms power flatlines, and indeed begins to drop off. I belive the flow of the vq37 even in N/A form is very high and the LTH's aren't able to keep up, thus becoming the choke point. This flatlining was apparent in dyno's before and after tuning. With K&N drop ins and a full 2.75" CAI.

Just thought this info might help in confirming the theory the vq37 flows a Lot of gasses in the high rpm bands. :tiphat:

Boosted Performance 04-21-2013 10:50 PM

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...psc273d9c2.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps3ea59c51.jpg

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...psa053ff0d.jpg

Things are moving along very well, and it is much better making this many at once. It is a bit repetitive, but that is just the way it is.

elperuano 04-21-2013 11:03 PM

I'm using the same hks boost controller as well

Boosted Performance 04-21-2013 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by elperuano (Post 2278130)
I'm using the same hks boost controller as well

Maybe it is something in the settings then. I have no experience with it at all.

My 350z has a Haltech, and it has an on board EBC. With the RPM's the duty cycle is increased (when in open loop). So at 4,500 rpm I have 5% duty cycle and have it set in increments of 5% for every 500rpm after that, up to 25% at 6,500rpm. Boost is a flat line at 10psi. Very simple to set/use.

The car is making 450whp, with a rather small (compared to the 1.15 a/r twin scroll) .68 a/r open inlet turbine.

I will give Vince a call tomorrow and see if he has a bit of time to talk about it.

GaleForce 04-22-2013 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 2278076)
So we all have the same boost controller Gale and my self got tuned by the same tuner /same dyno

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 2278080)
When Vince tuned my car he set my boost controller I wonder if he set Gales when he tuned his car .

I was looking at your graph, no drop off at all. Vince was the one to setup my EBC for the height boost tunes.

GaleForce 04-22-2013 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 2278080)
When Vince tuned my car he set my boost controller I wonder if he set Gales when he tuned his car .

We should compare settings just for fun.

Boosted Performance 04-22-2013 10:11 AM

So, I just spent some time on the phone with Vince.

To sum it up, the boost is nothing to worry about. The car (as you can see by the HP curve) continued to make more power with the higher boost (+50whp over spring pressure run), even though it looks like it is tapering off.

There are many variable at play (including VVEL, and the dyno MAP sensor), and since the car already made very good power, there was no need to spend a lot of time with the EBC setting to try and flatten out the boost curve. It also takes extra time to really dial in an extra few psi (small increments over base pressure) of boost with the EBC like we are trying to do here.

Vince felt like the kit performed very well and made power with ease.

Here is a better looking dyno graph as well:

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8545/8...6d8eef27_b.jpg


So that settles it I guess.

I will still go ahead and do the test on my end to see what the exhaust back pressure is like. However, I am no longer thinking that it is a concern.

GaleForce 04-22-2013 02:36 PM

Not only did you get my numbers first, you also got the digital copy of my graph first! :bowrofl:

Vince did explain that to me... I forgot most of it until you mentioned it again. I should hire someone to record my conversations so I can play them back later to refresh my memory. :p

XwChriswX 04-22-2013 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by GaleForce (Post 2278937)
Not only did you get my numbers first, you also got the digital copy of my graph first! :bowrofl:

Vince did explain that to me... I forgot most of it until you mentioned it again. I should hire someone to record my conversations so I can play them back later to refresh my memory. :p

I'll send you my resume, if you could put "Driver" under list of job requirements that would be great too. :bowrofl:

GaleForce 04-22-2013 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX (Post 2278944)
I'll send you my resume, if you could put "Driver" under list of job requirements that would be great too. :bowrofl:

Send it. I'll put it in the pile :bowrofl:

XwChriswX 04-22-2013 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GaleForce (Post 2278951)
Send it. I'll put it in the pile :bowrofl:

:mad:





:icon17:

Boosted Performance 04-22-2013 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GaleForce (Post 2278937)
Not only did you get my numbers first, you also got the digital copy of my graph first! :bowrofl:

Vince did explain that to me... I forgot most of it until you mentioned it again. I should hire someone to record my conversations so I can play them back later to refresh my memory. :p

Oh no, you can't pull that on me this time.

Vince posted the graph in your build thread. I just copied the link and pasted it here.. :)

GaleForce 04-22-2013 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 2278987)
Oh no, you can't pull that on me this time.

Vince posted the graph in your build thread. I just copied the link and pasted it here.. :)

:icon18:

I just found it. I'm blaming the forum, your thread showed first in my list of new threads. I'll let it go this time. :icon17:

criminalntent 04-22-2013 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 2278477)
So, I just spent some time on the phone with Vince.

To sum it up, the boost is nothing to worry about. The car (as you can see by the HP curve) continued to make more power with the higher boost (+50whp over spring pressure run), even though it looks like it is tapering off.

There are many variable at play (including VVEL, and the dyno MAP sensor), and since the car already made very good power, there was no need to spend a lot of time with the EBC settings to try and flatten out the boost curve. It also takes extra time to really dial in an extra few psi (small increments over base pressure) of boost with the EBC like we are trying to do here.

VVEL is the reason for the drop in boost not the EBC. There is more valve overlap tuned into the car for higher RPM NA power, if the VVEL were retuned you could increase power by limiting boost loss. The problem is actually two part, loss of FI effeciency on the intake side due to overlap which in turn slightly effects thermal efficiency of the exhaust from the cooler air (boost).

Most 2JZ's are cammed with turbo specs to increase high RPM power but will not make the low end as the VQ. Once VVEL is perfected we will see the same results (top end) if not better than the 2JZ.

Boosted Performance 04-23-2013 09:51 PM

Something worth linking:

R/T Tuning – Dyno Tuning & Engine Performance Specialists

Mr.Squeeze 04-24-2013 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Boosted Performance (Post 2281996)


Congrats Sasha glad to see your kit doing well ,and nice to see you get some recognition for you kit.:tup:

GaleForce 04-24-2013 04:16 AM

Here's a video I made of it on the dyno,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liQtpOeSwX8

Hotrodz 04-24-2013 08:03 AM

Congrats, great numbers! I can't to join the FI fraternity....:tup:

Boosted Performance 04-25-2013 09:20 PM

All tacked up ready for welding:

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...ps505c654d.jpg

And throught the magic of internet...all welded up:

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q...psd66f547b.jpg


The manifolds are the most time consuming, but they are almost done now.

All the post intercooler piping arrived today as well. Will be working on that soon, so it can be sent out for finishing.

m3chhawk 05-08-2013 09:10 PM

Update? :eekdance:

tower74 05-08-2013 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by m3chhawk (Post 2307249)
Update? :eekdance:

It's going to be at least mid July or August.:inoutroflpuke: I'm willing to bet you guys get your kits WAY before I do. Going to be sweet with the fleet of FI cars.

Boosted Performance 05-08-2013 10:09 PM

I have had some unexpected stuff come up recently so the kit have been moving along slowly. My wife and kids are going to Disneyland on Friday for 10 days, so I hope to catch up during that time. The hard part (manifolds) are almost done though.

Some testing was also done this past weekend on a customers car. A turbine housing was drilled and tapped to see what the exhaust back pressures are like with the 1.15 a/r housing. Things looked great, prooving that this (1.15 a/r) turbine is a great match for a stock block, and a built block for those who would be looking at 600whp+. I would still opt for the 1.32 a/r on a built block, but the 1.15 would also do well.

This customer made 530whp/430ft/tq at 10psi of boost.

m3chhawk 05-22-2013 02:56 PM

Hey Sasha,

Trying to get stuff ordered and ready :excited:

Are the fittings on the oil cooler 8AN or 10AN?
I'm going to run one of these on each side for oil pressure and oil temperature:
JEGS Performance Products 110530 JEGS Fuel Pressure Gauge In-Line Adapter Fittings

Thanks dude!

Boosted Performance 05-22-2013 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by m3chhawk (Post 2328316)
Hey Sasha,

Trying to get stuff ordered and ready :excited:

Are the fittings on the oil cooler 8AN or 10AN?
I'm going to run one of these on each side for oil pressure and oil temperature:
JEGS Performance Products 110530 JEGS Fuel Pressure Gauge In-Line Adapter Fittings

Thanks dude!

The cooler inlet/outlet will be -10 an, but there will be reducers and the oil lines will be -8 an.

The best place to take oil pressure is at the OEM oil pressure sensor, so I would just add another T to the turbo oil suply line.

As for the oil temperature, it is best to take it at the oil pan spacer. The spacer would be drilled and tapped so the temperature probe is in the oil. This is true oil temperature, since this is where the OEM oil pickup is.

Idealy, you would want to have a sensor that has a long probe like this:

http://www.omega.com/Temperature/images/PR30_m.jpg


This will allow you to reach further in to the oil pan, providing the ultimate in accuracy when it comes to oil temperature. If you have a sensor with a short probe, it will never reach outside of the threaded cavity (since the spacer is wide) and there would be no oil movement, in turn providing a false reading.

m3chhawk 05-23-2013 04:02 PM

How much of a difference do you think there is between the hot side of the cooler and the oil pan? I would imagine using the hot side will afford me the opportunity to always read a bit high for some cushion.

I'm still leaning towards measuring at the oil cooler line. Easier install, safer wire routing, and my probe definitely isn't that long (insert joke here).

zguynate 07-31-2013 10:56 PM

Hows all of the turbo business going Sasha? Any updates on your kits? Sorry to bump an old thread, but its been a while since I have seen you post anything.

In other news, im still on track to purchase one of your kits mid to late spring of next year if there is one available. I have been juggling buying a house, paying for a wedding, the normal life expenses, and saving for your kit lol.

Boosted Performance 07-31-2013 11:27 PM

I must admit that I have slowed down this summer, focusing more on familly time. As a result the kits are not quiet ready yet... about 80% complete now.

OMGiGOTaZ 08-06-2013 09:34 AM

subbed to see if anyone falls off the list of 12 for 10 kits

Boosted Performance 09-26-2013 09:28 AM

Just a heads up guys, I will start taking deposits on 9 kits in about a couple of weeks.

If you are on the list (first page) please confirm that you still plan on proceeding with a BP twin scroll turbo kit.

Couple of things worth mentioning:

-30 row oil cooler is now standard
-UpRev tune will be password protected (longs story, going back to a 350z customer)
**The base map will still be good to go, but slightly detuned for safety***
-All kits will come with recirculated wastegates, ope dumps available at lower price
-Engine bay IC piping will be powder coated wrinkle black:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7069/6...9c8bd444_b.jpg

-Each charge pipe will have a nipple before the TB. These will be for wastegate pressure reference. So no more T fittings on that end...passenger side nipple to passenger side wastegate lower port, and driver side nipple to driver side wastegate lower port. If you are using an EBC, then you will need more hose, and a T-fitting.

Everything else stays the same....quality turbo kits from BP :).

Sasha

XwChriswX 09-26-2013 09:46 AM

Lookin forward to another round of great kits. :tup:


Still gonna throw the curve ball of can anyone with an AT stop by to see if it can be done... :icon17:

m3chhawk 09-26-2013 09:58 AM

Confirmed and excited :happydance:

puckshaw 09-26-2013 10:14 AM

What's the expected delivery time? I'm getting tired of waiting for my MHI kit...

Cell 09-26-2013 10:25 AM

Anyone getting this kit will not only get a high quality kit but also Sasha's top notch customer service.

Dzel 09-26-2013 03:56 PM

Answer the question.

Sent with TapAhoe

Boosted Performance 09-26-2013 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by puckshaw (Post 2505643)
What's the expected delivery time? I'm getting tired of waiting for my MHI kit...

I hould have all these out in a couple of months.

Boosted Performance 09-28-2013 10:01 AM

Updated list:


1) Nut_N_Much
2) Morterbooble
3) NitrousZ34
4) chewy08753
5) m3chhawk (BB upgrade)
6) Rondo
7) xgrudgex
8) sfearl1
9) V8Killer
10) Cbtech
11) faceglide

wagz 09-28-2013 11:29 PM

Just wanted to chime in and say that you sir are an artist.


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