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Mkai0 04-01-2013 11:05 PM

You bring up a good point Staples. All I know is my Racelogic setup seems to be working flawless with my Aquamist setup.

Diabel 04-02-2013 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Z eliminator (Post 2237053)
Ive used mine at the track 1/4 mile. i tried everything and could not find how to use the launch control. Car lost 2 th's with traction control on , But it ran straight as an arrow.
never spun the tire's (305 35 18 M/T drag radials/
Now on a 7 AT if you try to hold the gas and brake the ECU kill the engine and it will drop rpm and run terrible off the line. If your lucky may be 1700 rpm with out your back wheels braking free on the stock converter, You have to pull the brake fuse. I have a Pro torque 3200 rpm stall converter and i hold the car at 2000 rpm you then mash the gas and let the brake pedal go on the start of the last yellow light. I have a video of this and the car moves at 3200 rpm. I have talked to Sam how to get it to work for i would love to launch at 5000 rpm. He is working on this for me and i hope that he finds a way to make it work. What setting did you set the slip for on the race logic for this . Ive tried ever setting and got really frustrated with it. I removed the race logic and the car ran a 12.50 vs a 12.70. I have not given up on it but it gets a little busy in the car after you leave the burn out box. My car also runs richer A/f when i run the race logic. Driving it on the street is way better than the factory TC. Do you also turn of the factory TC when you run the race logic? When the brake fuse is pulled the factory TC should not work,
im running 12.342 now with out it and i have no traction problems coming off the line 1.80 60 ft times but i do have line lock to heat up the back tire's
Well thats what i found how my car drives with it, Its great in the rain.
I also have 4.08 gears in the car.
If some body figures out how to make it work at the track please let me know
thanks

Z

That's strange, isn't GTM RaceLogic supposed to be an advantage on the 1/4 mile drag ? As far as I understand the main idea with RaceLogic is to put as much power to the ground as possible without loosing the traction. So in theory it should help to achieve better drag times than without it (ofcourse with oem Taction Control system off). Am I wrong?

BigT 04-02-2013 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Diabel (Post 2247119)
That's strange, isn't GTM RaceLogic supposed to be an advantage on the 1/4 mile drag ? As far as I understand the main idea with RaceLogic is to put as much power to the ground as possible without loosing the traction. So in theory it should help to achieve better drag times than without it (ofcourse with oem Taction Control system off). Am I wrong?

You are right to a certain extent. BUT, getting traction by killing power will never be as good as sticker tires or better throttle/clutch technique. You have to find that sweet spot for it to work right. Of course this is only for launch. Traction control for the turns can be much better as slower in and fast out will always net faster times.

Mr.Squeeze 04-02-2013 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mkai0 (Post 2246010)
You bring up a good point Staples. All I know is my Racelogic setup seems to be working flawless with my Aquamist setup.


Staples does bring up a good point I have the direct port meth system just haven't gotten around to putting it in yet. I will test this once I put it in the meth kit.

Mr.Squeeze 04-02-2013 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Z eliminator (Post 2237053)
Ive used mine at the track 1/4 mile. i tried everything and could not find how to use the launch control. Car lost 2 th's with traction control on , But it ran straight as an arrow.
never spun the tire's (305 35 18 M/T drag radials/
Now on a 7 AT if you try to hold the gas and brake the ECU kill the engine and it will drop rpm and run terrible off the line. If your lucky may be 1700 rpm with out your back wheels braking free on the stock converter, You have to pull the brake fuse. I have a Pro torque 3200 rpm stall converter and i hold the car at 2000 rpm you then mash the gas and let the brake pedal go on the start of the last yellow light. I have a video of this and the car moves at 3200 rpm. I have talked to Sam how to get it to work for i would love to launch at 5000 rpm. He is working on this for me and i hope that he finds a way to make it work. What setting did you set the slip for on the race logic for this . Ive tried ever setting and got really frustrated with it. I removed the race logic and the car ran a 12.50 vs a 12.70. I have not given up on it but it gets a little busy in the car after you leave the burn out box. My car also runs richer A/f when i run the race logic. Driving it on the street is way better than the factory TC. Do you also turn of the factory TC when you run the race logic? When the brake fuse is pulled the factory TC should not work,
im running 12.342 now with out it and i have no traction problems coming off the line 1.80 60 ft times but i do have line lock to heat up the back tire's
Well thats what i found how my car drives with it, Its great in the rain.
I also have 4.08 gears in the car.
If some body figures out how to make it work at the track please let me know
thanks

Z


Z It sounds like you haven't figured out how to use the system correctly. I don't have auto like you I have no problem doing 5000 rpm launches,hopefully with Sams help you can get that figured out.

I can tell you this you have to turn off the factory TC it will kick in before Racelogic. If you was having problems with the system leaving the burnout box just shut if off tell your finish doing your burnout. After your done doing your burnout then turn it back on. This is how I plan on using the system once I take my car to the track. Also this is the main reason I mounted the system right next to me to it's easily accessible.

JMac88 04-02-2013 09:50 PM

I would think the better question would be what amount of combustion would be generated with a 50/50 mix without fuel. Since it cuts a different cylinder everytime, I doubt there would be enough meth in the cylinder to actually effect anything.

I am only familar with meth feeds at the tb's, so with direct port does it only spray a cylinder on induction or is it pre-loading meth the whole time? I would guess that either way there would be to much air in the chamber for it to even ignite. Worst case scenario would be pre-loading the whole time, but without the added cooling of fuel, the cylinder temps/high evaporation rate of the meth there might not even be enough in the chamber to be concerned about.

Someone is going to have to test this, but I would have a hard time seeing this causing any problems. If you guys want, I can send an e-mail to the guys at racelogic and see of they have any experiance with this.

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elperuano 04-02-2013 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 2247831)
Staples does bring up a good point I have the direct port meth system just haven't gotten around to putting it in yet. I will test this once I put it in the meth kit.

You got meth system also??? Wow. Can't wait to see THOSE numbers!

Mr.Squeeze 04-02-2013 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by elperuano (Post 2247949)
You got meth system also??? Wow. Can't wait to see THOSE numbers!


Yeah I bought the Meth and Racelogic system at the same time. I am waiting for the new GTM turbo manifold that accept the T25 plus turbo housing's and swap to them and add the direct port meth at the same time.


Then shoot for the moon big power is the goal :ughdance:

Mr.Squeeze 04-02-2013 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BigT (Post 2247812)
You are right to a certain extent. BUT, getting traction by killing power will never be as good as sticker tires or better throttle/clutch technique. You have to find that sweet spot for it to work right. Of course this is only for launch. Traction control for the turns can be much better as slower in and fast out will always net faster times.



Of course sticker tires would always be best for traction,but in car on the street without sticky track tires is where the system shines. You also have to remember the system can be adjusted to where it barley interferes to the point where its like its not even there.As you have pointed out you have to find that sweet spot and you can also use throttle control/ technique with it I know I do.



For a car like mine it's a big plus there is no boost by gear or timing by gear that can control traction and power like the GTR's have.

Z eliminator 04-03-2013 07:26 AM

I do turn off the factory TC and i also have the brake fuse pulled.
Can any body send me the specs that they have on the unit. Like rpm cut backs ect.
And for some strange reason my car runs richer A/F ratios when i run the race logic down the track.
I emailed race logic and they told me that the unit will not work on 7 AT's for launch control.
But every thing else will work fine , Sam is working on this for me, as he thinks that he can make it work. Currently he is testing it on a 7 AT.
Z

Staples 04-03-2013 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Z eliminator (Post 2248554)
I do turn off the factory TC and i also have the brake fuse pulled.
Can any body send me the specs that they have on the unit. Like rpm cut backs ect.
And for some strange reason my car runs richer A/F ratios when i run the race logic down the track.
I emailed race logic and they told me that the unit will not work on 7 AT's for launch control.
But every thing else will work fine , Sam is working on this for me, as he thinks that he can make it work. Currently he is testing it on a 7 AT.
Z

I could see the air fuel mixture being an issue if the traction control system would cut off ignition, but it only cuts fuel.

Are you reading this through an aftermarket wideband or through UpRev software through the ECU wideband?

tturbo370z 04-13-2013 08:32 PM

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From reading this I'm a little pissed off. I got the GTM racelogic control cuz I wanted launch control. When it came time to install Sam asked if I wanted the fancy display like u have shown here with 0-25% slip adjustments or the launch control with no lift shift with a generic 5% increment adjustment. Now that I have this generic box with 5% adjustment I see that you have the fancy display with more adjustment and launch control. I am maybe assuming he was meaning to say the no lift shift was with this generic clunky display? You guys are all saying this same display (I'm calling the fancy one) will do it also? I'm hoping someone can chime in and Sam or Mike can clear this up cuz I didn't spend 10s of thousands of dollars building my car to get a cheap *** display when this one would of worked the same and had more adjustment.

Mr.Squeeze 04-14-2013 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tturbo370z (Post 2265945)
From reading this I'm a little pissed off. I got the GTM racelogic control cuz I wanted launch control. When it came time to install Sam asked if I wanted the fancy display like u have shown here with 0-25% slip adjustments or the launch control with no lift shift with a generic 5% increment adjustment. Now that I have this generic box with 5% adjustment I see that you have the fancy display with more adjustment and launch control. I am maybe assuming he was meaning to say the no lift shift was with this generic clunky display? You guys are all saying this same display (I'm calling the fancy one) will do it also? I'm hoping someone can chime in and Sam or Mike can clear this up cuz I didn't spend 10s of thousands of dollars building my car to get a cheap *** display when this one would of worked the same and had more adjustment.



You have the analog unit ,and I have the digital display unit from my understanding they both have launch control. If I were you I would just swap to the digital display.

JMac88 04-14-2013 04:37 PM

You will have launch control, both units come with it as long as they were programmed thay way. No lift shift is something you will have to talk to them about. From all my discussions with RL you need the 4 independant abs reading unit with the software to get no lift to work.

If you hook up the racelogic software to the racelogic (via serial connection) you should be able to set launch control in there. That is one benifit to the digital is you can set all that stuff without the software.

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Hermitns 04-14-2013 04:51 PM

a gent in Tampa
 
I ran into one night had what I THINK he called a PROlogic traction control module (said it was the first in America...Sam would know, he did all the work) Red Z, TT and a claimed 750 HP. The car was friggin AMAZING but, BUT, it goes thru the gears SOOOO quick that the advantage of the traction control were almost completely negated by his hitting the rev limiter. I can't remember his name but he was "testing" his new GTR Black against this monster Z. (maybe he hadn't adapted to the setup yet). The z won out easily however, the GTR was slated for a trip to Forged performance.

tturbo370z 04-14-2013 05:32 PM

I did talk to Sam last night and told me if I wanted the digital display that we can definetely put it in but im limited on space. The only clean place to put it is in the glove box and its to far out of reach for that. I did get the system tapped into the abs for no lift shift. After talking with Sam I think I'm going to stick with the analog controller so the launch control is right at my finger with a button. What I'm not sure yet is how u set the rpm level u want for launch control if its an analog unit and not digital display :confused: If the only way to adjust the launch control is with the LCD display then I will most likely have to switch displays:icon14:

Oh and Squeeze your video really amped me up to get my car back. I can't wait to be shredding tires. Not sure if I can handle more videos :bowrofl:

ka24king 04-14-2013 07:35 PM

Can this be used in n/a cars just for launch purposes or is that pointless?

Mr.Squeeze 04-15-2013 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tturbo370z (Post 2266841)
I did talk to Sam last night and told me if I wanted the digital display that we can definetely put it in but im limited on space. The only clean place to put it is in the glove box and its to far out of reach for that. I did get the system tapped into the abs for no lift shift. After talking with Sam I think I'm going to stick with the analog controller so the launch control is right at my finger with a button. What I'm not sure yet is how u set the rpm level u want for launch control if its an analog unit and not digital display :confused: If the only way to adjust the launch control is with the LCD display then I will most likely have to switch displays:icon14:

Oh and Squeeze your video really amped me up to get my car back. I can't wait to be shredding tires. Not sure if I can handle more videos :bowrofl:


Man just put it in the same spot I have mine right next to the Steering wheel so you can have easy access to the unit. The only other way to change the launch control settings is to hook a laptop up and make changes that way.

I am doing another video this coming weekend. :driving:

Nissanboy 07-16-2013 12:44 PM

subd

Nixlimited 07-16-2013 01:02 PM

Look forward to seeing the videos. I am getting the Racelogic system put in my car too!

Dzel 07-16-2013 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ka24king (Post 2266987)
Can this be used in n/a cars just for launch purposes or is that pointless?

That's a good question

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tturbo370z 07-16-2013 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 2406505)
Look forward to seeing the videos. I am getting the Racelogic system put in my car too!

Welcome to the club brotha. :tiphat:

Ya squeeze post more videos so I can miss my car some more :icon23:

elperuano 07-16-2013 03:58 PM

Lol. Small club. I think squeeze is the only boosted ride with system. Everyone else is still "waiting"

SS_Firehawk 07-16-2013 04:19 PM

I have no more funds to invest in getting this currently :/
Or gauges
Or wheels
FML

How bad is traction for SC'd cars?

elperuano 07-16-2013 04:20 PM

Not bad at all

Baer383 07-16-2013 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by elperuano (Post 2406719)
Not bad at all

As long as your in 3rd gear and up.

SS_Firehawk 07-16-2013 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2406743)
As long as your in 3rd gear and up.

Lol... Wonderful

tturbo370z 07-16-2013 05:41 PM

Ya waiting is all I have been doing for this dumb car. For example I'm sitting at the house waiting for ups to deliver my work wheels for a car I don't have lol maybe waiting is the fun part :roflpuke2:

theDreamer 07-17-2013 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2406743)
As long as your in 3rd gear and up.

:iagree:
I mean you cannot stomp 1 or 2, but if you do some right foot control you can do very well (this is from stage 1 SC experience). If the twin SC has oddles of TQ then it will be more of a challenge in the lower gears.

Chuck33079 07-17-2013 07:22 AM

I would imagine it's easier to keep from lighting up the tires with a SC simply because the power is linear. You don't have that massive torque spike over a short rpm range like the TT kits give. Either way, some right foot control is required.

Mr.Squeeze 07-17-2013 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by elperuano (Post 2406679)
Lol. Small club. I think squeeze is the only boosted ride with system. Everyone else is still "waiting"


I think you might be right I might be the only one with it in my car that post on this forum.

I just got my car back on the road after being down for almost a month I blew out the ZSpeed CSC and decided to switch to a OS Giken Triple Disc clutch while the transmission was out.

So I will try and get something up for you guys soon.

I will say this though about the system now that its summer over here and its hot once my tires are warm. The Racelogic only kicks it a little in 2 gear pulls from 40mph rolls set at 8%.

Mr.Squeeze 07-17-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk (Post 2406711)
I have no more funds to invest in getting this currently :/
Or gauges
Or wheels
FML

How bad is traction for SC'd cars?


When I was SC 465 whp 360tq I had no problem getting traction in warm weather from 2 gear 40 mph or so. One thing you have to remember is your suspension and tire set up play a key roll in traction. At time I was still stock height but with 305/30/19 RE-11s out back.

tturbo370z 07-17-2013 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 2407599)
I think you might be right I might be the only one with it in my car that post on this forum.

I just got my car back on the road after being down for almost a month I blew out the ZSpeed CSC and decided to switch to a OS Giken Triple Disc clutch while the transmission was out.

So I will try and get something up for you guys soon.

I will say this though about the system now that its summer over here and its hot once my tires are warm. The Racelogic only kicks it a little in 2 gear pulls from 40mph rolls set at 8%.

So it doesn't count that its been in my car for 8 mos :stirthepot: lol

Hearing about the traction with warm tires in summer sounds AMAZING. Almost makes it worth waiting for. Mmmm triple disc OS :yum: had I known I was building motor and doing gt30 turbos I would have went up to triple vs the double that is currently in the car. At the time it seemed like over kill :shakes head:


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