GTM Performance Engineering: MHI Twin Turbo Official Release

Dzel · 12-16-2013, 06:12 PM

Very nicely said.

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Diabel · 12-16-2013, 06:29 PM

Alkatraz, calling a spade a spade - when someone holds your money for a month without your permission - it's a serious thing for sure. Do you know how much could smart investor earn for 7 months with that money? And how long should the returning wire transfer last from your point of view? A month maybe two ?! Cmon

SPOHN · 12-16-2013, 06:33 PM

Glad they answer you. Mike has been ducking me for two weeks. The only person that answers now is Pablo. I've left four message and he's never return them or answers. Hell he was the only person that used to answer. Sure they have called ID and don't want to deal with me. Like I did anything but support them.

Chuck33079 · 12-16-2013, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diabel

Alkatraz, calling a spade a spade - when someone holds your money for a month without your permission - it's a serious thing for sure. Do you know how much could smart investor earn for 7 months with that money? And how long should the returning wire transfer last from your point of view? A month maybe two ?! Cmon

Shady, yes. Fraud, no. Fraud requires intent. I seriously doubt this group buy was intended to take people's money and not provide a product.

BlkNismo · 12-16-2013, 06:42 PM

whats the next free upgrade for the severe delays. gtr manifold conversion kit!

Alkatraz · 12-16-2013, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Diabel

Alkatraz, calling a spade a spade - when someone holds your money for a month without your permission - it's a serious thing for sure. Do you know how much could smart investor earn for 7 months with that money? And how long should the returning wire transfer last from your point of view? A month maybe two ?! Cmon

It is most definitely a VERY serious thing, however the term 'fraud' has very significant connotations. Annoying, disgusting, terrible, bad business, bunch of aholes....these are words that can be thrown around but unless there is serious evidence of intent by GTM to purposely hold back money and commit fraud, then the word should not be used. Stuffing up is one thing, committing fraud is something completely different.

I work in the finance sector and deal with banks on a daily basis. If you saw the stuff that I see and knew how big, multi billion $ corporations can completely screw up because their internal systems aren't built well enough to handle everything, then you might understand how easy it would be for a small company like GTM to have their systems fall over.

A VERY good investor would be happy to make a 10% return on his money over 12 months. Due to the exchange rate changes, if I asked for a refund, I would do better than that :P

Just call me 'The Turbo Trader'! That sounds like a name that I could market my highly developed investment system under. Some go long gold or frozen orange juice others go for mortgage backed securities. I went long on GTM TT kits and am making a killing!

BlkNismo · 12-16-2013, 06:53 PM

I sense an update from GTM once they see what has stirred up here

zguynate · 12-16-2013, 07:00 PM

I am no longer in the group by either. When I signed up it took GTM a few minutes to respond to my questions regarding the kit, and they swiftly accepted my money. I signed up for the layaway program since I didnt really want to finance it and wanted to get in on it before it closed. I had to sign a contract stating that if I cancelled it would require a 25% "restocking fee". Very stupid on my behalf. Hindsight is 20/20. After requesting cancellation, which took two full business days and a phone call to get a reply from my email, Mike informed me that I would be eating $475 due to the restocking fee. He then agreed to allow me to purchase a few items from GTM to avoid losing $475. Finally, after another few phone calls and 7 days later I got an invoice that was literally $400 more expensive than what I could get the items for from another vendors advertised pricing. I gave it some thought and decided that I would gladly loose $475 for a "restocking fee" for a product that isnt available, than giving this company another dollar. Even if I would have payed in full, the company couldnt fulfill their contractual obligations of "once the invoice is paid in full, we will ship your purchase". But, I signed the contract like a dummy and they had me by the testicles. I sent them a long email explaining my disappointment with the company and its customer service, and requested a refund. It took another 8 days to receive a reply. Although I will say that I had my money back 4 days later. Mailed in by check.

Its safe to say that I will not be doing any future business with GTM. Mike is a very nice guy. I have nothing bad to say about him as a person. GTMs lack of customer service is astounding considering how much money they have tied up in this project. In the end I lost $475 dollars for absolutely nothing. It sickens me to think about it. I dont have any regrets from loosing the money to spend the rest of it at a company who I feel wants and will strive to retain my business.

Sorry for the rant..... Its been on my brain for a bit and there is no where else to post this.

Chuck33079 · 12-16-2013, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragonbreath

I am no longer in the group by either. When I signed up it took GTM a few minutes to respond to my questions regarding the kit, and they swiftly accepted my money. I signed up for the layaway program since I didnt really want to finance it and wanted to get in on it before it closed. I had to sign a contract stating that if I cancelled it would require a 25% "restocking fee". Very stupid on my behalf. Hindsight is 20/20. After requesting cancellation, which took two full business days and a phone call to get a reply from my email, Mike informed me that I would be eating $475 due to the restocking fee. He then agreed to allow me to purchase a few items from GTM to avoid losing $475. Finally, after another few phone calls and 7 days later I got an invoice that was literally $600 more expensive than what I could get the items for from another vendors advertised pricing. I gave it some thought and decided that I would gladly loose $475 for a "restocking fee" for a product that isnt available, than giving this company another dollar. Even if I would have payed in full, the company couldnt fulfill their contractual obligations of "once the invoice is paid in full, we will ship your purchase". But, I signed the contract like a dummy and they had me by the testicles. I sent them a long email explaining my disappointment with the company and its customer service, and requested a refund. It took another 8 days to receive a reply. Although I will say that I had my money back 4 days later. Mailed in by check.

Its safe to say that I will not be doing any future business with GTM. Mike is a very nice guy. I have nothing bad to say about him as a person. GTMs lack of customer service is astounding considering how much money they have tied up in this project. In the end I lost $475 dollars for absolutely nothing. It sickens me to think about it. I dont have any regrets from loosing the money to spend the rest of it at a company who I feel wants and will strive to retain my business.

Sorry for the rant..... Its been on my brain for a bit and there is no where else to post this.

Wait- they are charging some people a restocking fee for a product that as yet doesn't exist? Holy ****. That's terrible.

G37sHKS · 12-16-2013, 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragonbreath

I am no longer in the group by either. When I signed up it took GTM a few minutes to respond to my questions regarding the kit, and they swiftly accepted my money. I signed up for the layaway program since I didnt really want to finance it and wanted to get in on it before it closed. I had to sign a contract stating that if I cancelled it would require a 25% "restocking fee". Very stupid on my behalf. Hindsight is 20/20. After requesting cancellation, which took two full business days and a phone call to get a reply from my email, Mike informed me that I would be eating $475 due to the restocking fee. He then agreed to allow me to purchase a few items from GTM to avoid losing $475. Finally, after another few phone calls and 7 days later I got an invoice that was literally $600 more expensive than what I could get the items for from another vendors advertised pricing. I gave it some thought and decided that I would gladly loose $475 for a "restocking fee" for a product that isnt available, than giving this company another dollar. Even if I would have payed in full, the company couldnt fulfill their contractual obligations of "once the invoice is paid in full, we will ship your purchase". But, I signed the contract like a dummy and they had me by the testicles. I sent them a long email explaining my disappointment with the company and its customer service, and requested a refund. It took another 8 days to receive a reply. Although I will say that I had my money back 4 days later. Mailed in by check.

Its safe to say that I will not be doing any future business with GTM. Mike is a very nice guy. I have nothing bad to say about him as a person. GTMs lack of customer service is astounding considering how much money they have tied up in this project. In the end I lost $475 dollars for absolutely nothing. It sickens me to think about it. I dont have any regrets from loosing the money to spend the rest of it at a company who I feel wants and will strive to retain my business.

Sorry for the rant..... Its been on my brain for a bit and there is no where else to post this.

I've been watching this thread for a while now not because Im in group buy but because I care about whats going on. Also, Im still waiting for these new manifolds.

Now this is the first time im going to post here about delays, refunds, and etc.

I personally would love to see GTM return the guy that I quoted above his 475 back because there was no products to return to the stock or store you name it.

I know you guys have to follow whats written on contract but there is nothing to return so I don't see why this customer have to lose 475.

Regards.

SPOHN · 12-16-2013, 07:09 PM

I thought restocking fee was for if you returned a product? O o

Chuck33079 · 12-16-2013, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPOHN

I thought restocking fee was for if you returned a product? O o

Exactly. Not if you changed your mind before the product exists.

elperuano · 12-16-2013, 07:15 PM

You guys need to grow a pair. Unbelievable. Do ur creditors behave the same way u do? I need to cash in on this cash cow here. The only community I know that accepts this and you got people even trying to defend this kind of behavior.

Who is happy with spending that kind of cash and getting treated in this manner?

zguynate · 12-16-2013, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Wait- they are charging some people a restocking fee for a product that as yet doesn't exist? Holy ****. That's terrible.

Quote:

Originally Posted by G37sHKS

I've been watching this thread for a while now not because Im in group buy but because I care about whats going on. Also, Im still waiting for these new manifolds.

Now this is the first time im going to post here about delays, refunds, and etc.

I personally would love to see GTM return the guy that I quoted above his 475 back because there was no products to return to the stock or store you name it.

I know you guys have to follow whats written on contract but there is nothing to return so I don't see why this customer have to lose 475.

Regards.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPOHN

I thought restocking fee was for if you returned a product? O o

This is the same reaction I had. I know im supposed to say this because I lost money, but that is terrible business IMO.

elperuano · 12-16-2013, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragonbreath

I am no longer in the group by either. When I signed up it took GTM a few minutes to respond to my questions regarding the kit, and they swiftly accepted my money. I signed up for the layaway program since I didnt really want to finance it and wanted to get in on it before it closed. I had to sign a contract stating that if I cancelled it would require a 25% "restocking fee". Very stupid on my behalf. Hindsight is 20/20. After requesting cancellation, which took two full business days and a phone call to get a reply from my email, Mike informed me that I would be eating $475 due to the restocking fee. He then agreed to allow me to purchase a few items from GTM to avoid losing $475. Finally, after another few phone calls and 7 days later I got an invoice that was literally $600 more expensive than what I could get the items for from another vendors advertised pricing. I gave it some thought and decided that I would gladly loose $475 for a "restocking fee" for a product that isnt available, than giving this company another dollar. Even if I would have payed in full, the company couldnt fulfill their contractual obligations of "once the invoice is paid in full, we will ship your purchase". But, I signed the contract like a dummy and they had me by the testicles. I sent them a long email explaining my disappointment with the company and its customer service, and requested a refund. It took another 8 days to receive a reply. Although I will say that I had my money back 4 days later. Mailed in by check.

Its safe to say that I will not be doing any future business with GTM. Mike is a very nice guy. I have nothing bad to say about him as a person. GTMs lack of customer service is astounding considering how much money they have tied up in this project. In the end I lost $475 dollars for absolutely nothing. It sickens me to think about it. I dont have any regrets from loosing the money to spend the rest of it at a company who I feel wants and will strive to retain my business.

Sorry for the rant..... Its been on my brain for a bit and there is no where else to post this.

Truly sad.
Alkatraz any words?

12-16-2013, 06:12 PM	#2296 (permalink)
Dzel A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Midland, TX Posts: 3,884 Drives: 11 370Z PW M6 Rep Power: 23	Very nicely said. Sent with TapAhoe DEpointfive0 likes this. __________________ 10secWS6 IF YOU CAN'T SWING IT THEN DON'T BRING IT! Check out Domestic Performance C.C.

12-16-2013, 06:29 PM	#2297 (permalink)
Diabel Base Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Bensenville IL Posts: 103 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 13	Alkatraz, calling a spade a spade - when someone holds your money for a month without your permission - it's a serious thing for sure. Do you know how much could smart investor earn for 7 months with that money? And how long should the returning wire transfer last from your point of view? A month maybe two ?! Cmon Dzel, elperuano, DEpointfive0 and 1 others like this.

12-16-2013, 06:33 PM	#2298 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 45 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	Glad they answer you. Mike has been ducking me for two weeks. The only person that answers now is Pablo. I've left four message and he's never return them or answers. Hell he was the only person that used to answer. Sure they have called ID and don't want to deal with me. Like I did anything but support them. Dzel, elperuano, Chuck33079 and 1 others like this. __________________

12-16-2013, 06:42 PM	#2300 (permalink)
BlkNismo Track Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: USA Posts: 614 Drives: Nismo Rep Power: 15	whats the next free upgrade for the severe delays. gtr manifold conversion kit! G37sHKS, Dzel, elperuano and 1 others like this.

12-16-2013, 06:53 PM	#2302 (permalink)
BlkNismo Track Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: USA Posts: 614 Drives: Nismo Rep Power: 15	I sense an update from GTM once they see what has stirred up here Dzel likes this.

12-16-2013, 07:00 PM	#2303 (permalink)
zguynate A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Strangeland Posts: 1,054 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 73	I am no longer in the group by either. When I signed up it took GTM a few minutes to respond to my questions regarding the kit, and they swiftly accepted my money. I signed up for the layaway program since I didnt really want to finance it and wanted to get in on it before it closed. I had to sign a contract stating that if I cancelled it would require a 25% "restocking fee". Very stupid on my behalf. Hindsight is 20/20. After requesting cancellation, which took two full business days and a phone call to get a reply from my email, Mike informed me that I would be eating $475 due to the restocking fee. He then agreed to allow me to purchase a few items from GTM to avoid losing $475. Finally, after another few phone calls and 7 days later I got an invoice that was literally $400 more expensive than what I could get the items for from another vendors advertised pricing. I gave it some thought and decided that I would gladly loose $475 for a "restocking fee" for a product that isnt available, than giving this company another dollar. Even if I would have payed in full, the company couldnt fulfill their contractual obligations of "once the invoice is paid in full, we will ship your purchase". But, I signed the contract like a dummy and they had me by the testicles. I sent them a long email explaining my disappointment with the company and its customer service, and requested a refund. It took another 8 days to receive a reply. Although I will say that I had my money back 4 days later. Mailed in by check. Its safe to say that I will not be doing any future business with GTM. Mike is a very nice guy. I have nothing bad to say about him as a person. GTMs lack of customer service is astounding considering how much money they have tied up in this project. In the end I lost $475 dollars for absolutely nothing. It sickens me to think about it. I dont have any regrets from loosing the money to spend the rest of it at a company who I feel wants and will strive to retain my business. Sorry for the rant..... Its been on my brain for a bit and there is no where else to post this. Dzel, elperuano, DEpointfive0 and 2 others like this. __________________ 2009 370z touring w/sports package Last edited by zguynate; 12-16-2013 at 11:33 PM.

12-16-2013, 07:09 PM	#2306 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 45 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	I thought restocking fee was for if you returned a product? O o DEpointfive0 likes this. __________________

12-16-2013, 07:15 PM	#2308 (permalink)
elperuano A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Southwest FL Posts: 1,374 Drives: G37S Rep Power: 29	You guys need to grow a pair. Unbelievable. Do ur creditors behave the same way u do? I need to cash in on this cash cow here. The only community I know that accepts this and you got people even trying to defend this kind of behavior. Who is happy with spending that kind of cash and getting treated in this manner? DEpointfive0 and COSMO like this.

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