Nissan 370Z Forum

Nissan 370Z Forum (http://www.the370z.com/)
-   Forced Induction (http://www.the370z.com/forced-induction/)
-   -   GTM Performance Engineering: 370Z MHI Twin Turbo Pre-Release (http://www.the370z.com/forced-induction/68109-gtm-performance-engineering-370z-mhi-twin-turbo-pre-release.html)

TrinityRacer 03-12-2013 03:07 PM

Two questions...in the cross section of the oil pan there appears to be trap doors, will this be an option or standard? Also what are the 3 mounting points for on the exhaust manifold? (I'm assuming heat shields). Looking forward to the full release.

ssqpolo 03-12-2013 05:20 PM

Please pm me when I can order this kit along with pricing. Also, what are your financing options? Just curious. Thanks

Mike@GTM 03-12-2013 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackonorange (Post 2207941)
I'm in the process of buying this kit but I forgot to ask if I need to purchase down pipes as well

Our Tuner Kit comes with our 3" downpipes with external wastegates as standard. We took into consideration people like yourself that have already installed UpRev so that all you need is the turbo kit itself. We are also planning on offering the Tuner Kit with internal wastegates for people that don't want to run downpipes and external wastegates.

Quote:

Originally Posted by G37sHKS (Post 2207955)
Interesting..

Do you sell that oil pan individually? I might pull the trigger on that!

Yes, this oil pan will be available separately. This is a really beneficial part for a car that is going to be accelerating, braking or cornering hard. The reason is due to the way the baffles are setup and the anti-slosh valves. Basically, it will keep oil centered around the oil pickup regardless of how hard you drive. The extra capacity will help with oil temperatures as well since there will be more volume to heat up. In addition, this a cast aluminum pan with fins to help with heat transfer that also helps with oil temperature management.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stolly08 (Post 2208036)
Very cool!
Price?

We will be releasing the pricing when we do our press release. That said, if you search a little, you'll get an idea on how much its going to be. Stay tuned!

SPOHN 03-12-2013 06:11 PM

17) Financing available.

Must.....resist...... to..... buy. I've been waiting on this.

COSMO 03-12-2013 06:56 PM

Just do it Spohn you know you want too!!!!!

blackonorange 03-12-2013 07:07 PM

This is just fantastic

SS_Firehawk 03-12-2013 07:15 PM

All Spohn would really need is another 34 row and some coin for the kit :driving:
Then it would turn into an even larger radiator, boost controller, more gauges, and more money into the fire lol.

I say do it....

Mike@GTM 03-12-2013 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmogirl (Post 2208137)
Ok so tell us the difference between this kit and your stage 1 and stage 2 kit? I wish I would have known or heard about this before buying your stage 2 kit only a month ago since I wouldnt have to drill and tap a bunch of things.... Are the turbo's like the garretts oil and water cooled or just oil cooled??

We’ve been talking about this development for a while in this thread: http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...ctane-7at.html

While we acknowledge the need to have a kit that is geared for a price conscious consumer, it is certainly not our intent to skimp on quality. As such, the MHI kit is a high quality system that uses components that are proven and reliable while being less expensive to manufacture. For example, the Mitsubishi turbos have been used in OEM applications for a long time with a great track record for success. In addition, Mitsubishi turbos are generally water cooled and engine oil lubricated. That said, there are forced induction solutions for this platform that use the oil cooled versions of the Mitsubishi turbos. Since we recognize the importance of keeping the CHRA cool, we use the water cooled version in our MHI kit.

One other major difference between this new kit and our current Garrett based kit is the philosophy driving the design. Our original premise for our Garrett twin turbo kit was big power and scalability. This new kit is designed with the premise of being less invasive to the car while keeping as much OEM equipment intact and undisturbed as possible with more than enough power for the stock engine. This kit isn’t setup for a Stage 6 1300hp setup the way our Garrett based kit is. We’re really going for solid, stock block numbers with unbeatable response with good power potential as well. The optional 20g turbos for example are capable of 880hp which is more than enough for the vast majority of people looking to do forced induction. The 16g setup is capable of making enough power to max out the stock block with excellent boost response and drivability. After all, there is no reason to have a laggy turbo setup on the stock engine when a smaller, more responsive setup is more than capable of delivering more power than the stock engine can take reliably.

This philosophy can be seen in our intercooler design and intercooler piping. To leverage economy of scale, our MHI kit uses a pair of intercoolers instead of the big single intercooler used in our Garrett based kit. Together these intercoolers are rated for 900hp while our big single on our Garrett kit is rated for 1000hp.

Keep in mind, that our Garrett based kit is without a doubt an outstanding system with top notch hardware that is tough for our competitors to beat. It still outspools the competition while delivering great horsepower and torque. In addition, our Garrett kit still has fantastic value, just at a higher price point than our MHI kit

UruZai 03-12-2013 07:30 PM

This is exciting finally a good quality kit for a good price! :tup:
Can't wait for the release, Sub'd

Mike@GTM 03-12-2013 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by batboyvaj (Post 2208724)
I might have missed it, but will this kit work with oil cooler setups? Or does the charge piping route by the oil filter requiring a oil filter relocation.

Since oil cooling is always an important factor on these cars, there is room to mount an oil cooler kit in conjunction with our new MHI kit as well as our current Garrett based kit. Also, keep in mind that the oil pan that comes with our MHI kit improves oil cooling since it is a cast aluminum unit with cooling fins. Our new oil pan is also 30% larger than the GReddy oil pan and includes our baffling system and anti-slosh valves as standard.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrodz (Post 2208337)
Wondering about Nismo fitment, definitely interested!

As with our current Twin Turbo Kits, there is no issue installing this system on the Nismo.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkJak (Post 2209150)
Love that you can keep the stock crash bar! It's gonna be a difficult decision between this and the fast intentions kit.

It is a lot easier than you think. Obviously it really depends on your goals and what you are after. So let’s say you are after a 500 wheel horsepower daily driver car that is fun and reliable which most people in this forum are after. Why would you spend almost twice as much to get the same horsepower number? Why would you want less area under the curve for more money? Having a fun, responsive car is what having a turbo kit is all about. Our new kit and our existing kit have better response and more area under the curve than anything else on the market. Look at the dyno graphs to see it for yourself.

Our kits work flawlessly straight out of the box thanks to our experience in designing and tuning forced induction systems on this platform. What you see is what you get. You don’t have to upgrade MAF sensors since our kits come with 3” MAF housings. The competition already made a mistake by going with 2.5” piping and then recently switched to 2.75” piping to prevent the MAF sensors from getting maxed out. We have not had any fuel pressure issues on any of the stock engine turbo setups we’ve ever done.

Our goal is to have these kits available and on the shelf. No waiting. So, after stating all the above, why would you consider anything but this kit?

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrinityRacer (Post 2209452)
Two questions...in the cross section of the oil pan there appears to be trap doors, will this be an option or standard? Also what are the 3 mounting points for on the exhaust manifold? (I'm assuming heat shields). Looking forward to the full release.

The trap doors are standard with the oil pan. The mounting points you are referencing are in fact for heat shields to reduce radiant heat under the hood and keep it where it belongs: in the exhaust.

Nixlimited 03-12-2013 08:44 PM

Mike, less posting and more building my car! :tup:

BlkNismo 03-12-2013 08:45 PM

Will the 16g option with internal waste gates cause boost creep issues with a free flowing exhaust as seen with the stage 1 Garrett kit?

blackonorange 03-12-2013 09:24 PM

Jeez Louise I love this

Jordo! 03-12-2013 10:36 PM

Very interested in finding out final price -- also, is there a possibility for a group buy?

SharpByCoop 03-12-2013 10:42 PM

Sam and Mike: Well played.

The evolution of capitalism, consumerism, and technology brings us to the point where you can buy even better for cheaper.

I won't grouse, I got every penny of value out of my stg2 kit, but this one would be that much better.

What a great kit. What a great time for VHQ engines.

Looking forward to that 1/4 mile test session. Rock it!

Coop

elperuano 03-12-2013 10:59 PM

I must agree with Sharp. Altho I love my stage 2, I certainly wish this kit existed when I was in the market for one.

future370zzz 03-13-2013 12:17 AM

Subbed and in for dyno results and pricing. This is going to be an interesting summer.

NeverBoneStck 03-13-2013 01:06 AM

Sooooo many choices !!!!

370zrider 03-13-2013 01:32 AM

I was falling asleep before reading this ... now I can't sleep because I know this TT kit really could fit my budget :excited:

When is the release date?

Nixlimited 03-13-2013 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370zrider (Post 2210539)
I was falling asleep before reading this ... now I can't sleep because I know this TT kit really could fit my budget :excited:

When is the release date?

Just to maintain complete objectivity, you still need to budget money for the install, cooling upgrades, and gauges to do it right. Very exciting option for everyone, for sure!

G37sHKS 03-13-2013 11:41 AM

so if some1 was shooting for a specific power with build engine (Say 600 on WHP daily use)

which kit you would prefer GTM intern of spool, power curve, etc etc..?

The Garret Ball bearing TT or MHI TT?

Mike@GTM 03-13-2013 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlkNismo (Post 2210098)
Will the 16g option with internal waste gates cause boost creep issues with a free flowing exhaust as seen with the stage 1 Garrett kit?

Actually, when we were first evaluating the MHI turbos as a viable option, we noticed that the turbine housing is very well designed. The port from the turbine inlet flows more smoothly into the wastegate port than the Garrett turbine housing. Therefore, it should be less of an issue. That said, we will be doing some additional testing to evaluate the potential for boost creep even further.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 2210353)
Very interested in finding out final price -- also, is there a possibility for a group buy?

We were contemplating doing a group buy or something similar. The jury is still out on that though.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 370zrider (Post 2210539)
I was falling asleep before reading this ... now I can't sleep because I know this TT kit really could fit my budget :excited:

When is the release date?

We will have that information in our upcoming press release. Stay tuned!

future370zzz 03-13-2013 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nixlimited (Post 2210951)
Just to maintain complete objectivity, you still need to budget money for the install, cooling upgrades, and gauges to do it right. Very exciting option for everyone, for sure!

Very true.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike@GTM (Post 2211415)
Actually, when we were first evaluating the MHI turbos as a viable option, we noticed that the turbine housing is very well designed. The port from the turbine inlet flows more smoothly into the wastegate port than the Garrett turbine housing. Therefore, it should be less of an issue. That said, we will be doing some additional testing to evaluate the potential for boost creep even further.



We were contemplating doing a group buy or something similar. The jury is still out on that though.



We will have that information in our upcoming press release. Stay tuned!

Group buy please!

BeemaaZ 03-13-2013 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackonorange (Post 2208355)
5700 for the tuner kit :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 2209741)
17) Financing available

That's it! My other future mods are officially terminated!

Tell me where to sign up for this.... :driving:

edub370 03-13-2013 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by future370zzz (Post 2211501)
Very true.



Group buy please!

+1. I may have to get in on this if the group buy happens

FireDan50 03-13-2013 04:05 PM

+1 for Group Buy....I've put off my wheels purchase waiting for this release

Mike@GTM 03-13-2013 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G37sHKS (Post 2211075)
so if some1 was shooting for a specific power with build engine (Say 600 on WHP daily use)

which kit you would prefer GTM intern of spool, power curve, etc etc..?

The Garret Ball bearing TT or MHI TT?

Well, one of the advantages of our Garrett ball bearing kits is the fact that the ball bearing turbos will outspool the journal bearing turbos. There is no refuting that. That said, for the price, the MHI is a great way to go since you'll have money left over to put towards a built motor if that's what you really want to do. At the same time, if you are looking for ultimate performance with unbeatable spool, then our Garrett kit is the way to go.

Either way, both systems offer advantages and disadvantages. Really, the defining characteristic is going to be budget.

nissan_fan 03-13-2013 05:55 PM

Sub'd.
Friday RUSH!!!!!
Definitely in for price and finance option

ZKraken22 03-13-2013 10:09 PM

This sounds good. I rather finance TT kit then to finance a GTR. But hen again its a GTR!!

Trips 03-13-2013 11:05 PM

I'm going to ask everyone to LETS KEEP ON TOPIC!

Thank You.

Jordan11b 03-14-2013 02:20 AM

In for Group Buy!!!!!!!

edub370 03-14-2013 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by future370zzz (Post 2211501)
Group buy please!

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeemaaZ (Post 2211602)
Tell me where to sign up for this.... :driving:

Quote:

Originally Posted by edub370 (Post 2211691)
+1. I may have to get in on this if the group buy happens

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan11b (Post 2212444)
In for Group Buy!!!!!!!

WELP theres 4 sales before u guys evenhave if officially released :tup:

SharpByCoop 03-14-2013 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SAM@GTM (Post 2207888)
We are also looking into renting California Speedway for a day so we can take this thing to the track for some 1/4 mile testing.

Everyone has seen the dyno charts for TT's. GTM's charts are legendary. This will be convincing too. Blah, blah, blah....

What REALLY gets the juices and convincibility going is a solid time slip.

Put this package in one of your hot 7AT's, add one pair of DOT drag radials, and step into the ring.

Now you've got traction. :D

Coop

Nixlimited 03-14-2013 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SharpByCoop (Post 2212555)
Everyone has seen the dyno charts for TT's. GTM's charts are legendary. This will be convincing too. Blah, blah, blah....

What REALLY gets the juices and convincibility going is a solid time slip.

Put this package in one of your hot 7AT's, add one pair of DOT drag radials, and step into the ring.

Now you've got traction. :D

Coop

When my build is done, I will try to work with GTM to bring it for some testing at CA Motor Speedway.

Chemy 03-14-2013 05:14 PM

I may be in for a group by also :ughdance:

KaienZ34 03-14-2013 06:28 PM

Will this new system work with the GTM 2.5" down pipes?

Rusty 03-14-2013 07:06 PM

This is great that all of these TT set-ups are coming out. But I have a problem with the space behind the front bumper. Having a 34 row Z1 oil cooler, and RC brake ducts and hoses. Where do I find the space to run the hoses?

KaienZ34 03-15-2013 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KaienZ34 (Post 2213842)
Will this new system work with the GTM 2.5" down pipes?


These are the ones i was wondering about, pic is in the third post sorry if it's a dumb question.

http://www.the370z.com/parts-sale-pr...own-pipes.html

Mike@GTM 03-15-2013 03:49 PM

2 Attachment(s)
Quote:

Originally Posted by KaienZ34 (Post 2213842)
Will this new system work with the GTM 2.5" down pipes?

It will work with both 2.5" and 3" downpipes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 2213901)
This is great that all of these TT set-ups are coming out. But I have a problem with the space behind the front bumper. Having a 34 row Z1 oil cooler, and RC brake ducts and hoses. Where do I find the space to run the hoses?

Well, here are a couple pictures to give you an idea where you can mount it. As you can see, there is room between the intercoolers and the condenser to mount the oil cooler. Otherwise, you could mount it in front of the intercooler instead. The is enough room between the vertical center support brace and the condenser to run the lines as well. Last, but not least, you can always get creative and do any number of things.

For example, we're doing a build right now using our GTM 70mm Competition Radiator with internal heat exchanger. It is being setup so that the engine oil runs through the heat exchanger inside the cold side of the radiator. Keep in mind, this may not be feasible for other aftermarket radiators on the market since their internal heat exchanger may not be rated for the higher pressure put out by the engine since internal heat exchangers are typically designed for transmission fluid which is run at much lower pressure. We designed our radiator's internal heat exchanger to handle the higher pressure for precisely this application.

KaienZ34 03-15-2013 03:56 PM

Thanks again Mike... :tiphat:


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:48 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2