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timp 03-03-2013 11:52 PM

GTM Valve Body Upgrade Review
 
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I wanted to share my thoughts on the install of the GTM Valve Body upgrade for the 7AT transmission and invite comments on others who have installed the GTM VB as well.

1) As everyone knows the 7AT has had some issues with slow or lazy shifting from one gear to the next, hunting for the right gear when down or up shifting or having to mash the gas pedal to get the transmission to down shift when passing. In order to correct these issues many have resorted to getting the ECU re-flashed (I have tried this as well) with minimal results.

2) When wanting to go FI, unless something is done to firm up the shifting in an automatic transmission to prevent slipping and keeping the trans oil from overheating the auto transmission can be a ticking time bomb. Case in point: in 1998 I purchased a brand new 1999 F350 Super Duty Ford pickup with the V10. I also installed a brand new Paxton SC from Banks Engineering along with long tube headers. The SC plus the headers added about 200 HP. The transmission lasted 4 months. $7500 dollars later I had a built proof transmission that could bark the 36” tires in second gear. The truck serviced me for 13 years no problem until it was stolen. The point is that according to the repair shop that rebuilt the transmission they said that if I would have installed a shift kit and a heavy duty transmission cooler right away likely the transmission would not have had to be rebuilt. Lesson learned!

What to do for all the G37/370Z owners wanting to change the attitude of their 7AT and add some insurance to the longevity of their transmission? Get a GTM Valve Body upgrade and transmission cooler.

I contacted Sam at GTM and expressed my concerns about the 7AT and installing the twin SC kit. Sam suggested installing the reworked valve body first before installing the SC kit. Sam emailed the down load link for the re and re manual and I set to work on removing the valve body. The step by step instructions provided were very precise down to the pictures and warnings / cautions / suggestions. If you have a metric socket set, assorted screw drivers, wrench set and minimal automotive know how anyone could do this valve body re & re. I did the work myself and it was so easy. Mind you I have a hoist in my shop so that made thing much easier.

Just follow the detailed instructions, drain the oil in a clean 2 gal bucket and remove the oil pan. The instructions tell you what bolts to undo to remove the valve body and the instructions even show the different lengths of the various bolts and where they go. Unplug 2 sets of wires and you are done. About a 2 hour job.


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Follow the instructions for shipping and handling and send it off to GTM. GTM received my valve body at 2 pm on a Monday and it was ready to ship back to me the next day by 4 pm! Valve body was re-installed Friday.


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Buy a new pan gasket cost is about $40. To refill fill the transmission first calculate how much oil came out plus a few quarts extra. Buy a $13.00 hand pump from any automotive store. You will need to fabricate a fitting to screw into the refill port on the bottom of the oil pan opposite the drain plug. I did this at a cost of $12.

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Follow the directions from the GTM manual for refilling the transmission and you are done. Sam will send you a re-flash file to upload to your ECM and your car is ready to go.

As an alternative you could contact your Infiniti/Nissan shop and they could do the re & re for you. I was quoted $250. Maybe a good time to get your transmission oil flushed and changed at the same time.

Driving the car after the valve body upgrade is so much more fun. It is like driving a different car. In standard D mode going easy on the throttle you can feel the up shifting firm but not too much. You don’t want the transmission banging into gear all the time only when you need it. Stand on the throttle and get ready for some fast and firm shifting. Put the car into DS or manual mode and it feels just like a standard only a lot faster up and down and with no missed shifts. :) Another thing I noticed is when driving is DS mode and you do some fast deceleration hard on the brake pedal the transmission rev matches and downshifts so much better than before. Same thing when in DS mode and wanting to pass another car or when you want to accelerate out of a corner you don’t have to mash the pedal so hard and over rev the engine. The transmission downshifts faster and with authority. D = mode great driving. DS / M = fantastic driving.

In conclusion the car feels and drives like a sports car should. In my opinion of all the mods a person can do to the Infiniti G37/Nissan 307Z (whether going FI or not) doing the VB upgrade is right on top.

GUTCH 03-04-2013 01:14 AM

Thanks for the write-up.

Can the upgrade only be done by GTM or can they send the parts out and we have our own installer do it?

blueranger 03-04-2013 11:12 PM

Nice review.. Thanks for taking the time :tup:

GUTCH 03-09-2013 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GUTCH (Post 2195216)
Thanks for the write-up.

Can the upgrade only be done by GTM or can they send the parts out and we have our own installer do it?

Anyone? :ugh2:

diddy535 03-09-2013 07:45 AM

Any value to a 6MT?

Nixlimited 03-09-2013 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by diddy535 (Post 2204393)
Any value to a 6MT?

No. There is not the same hardware in a 6MT.

Mike@GTM 03-11-2013 12:30 PM

Tim,

Thanks for posting up your review!

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Originally Posted by GUTCH (Post 2195216)
Thanks for the write-up.

Can the upgrade only be done by GTM or can they send the parts out and we have our own installer do it?

This is an in-house service only. For overseas customers looking to have minimal downtime, you can purchase a brand new valve body from us that we modify and send out. Then, all you do is swap valve bodies once you receive the new valve body from us.

GUTCH 03-12-2013 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike@GTM (Post 2207096)
Tim,

Thanks for posting up your review!



This is an in-house service only. For overseas customers looking to have minimal downtime, you can purchase a brand new valve body from us that we modify and send out. Then, all you do is swap valve bodies once you receive the new valve body from us.

Thanks! :tiphat:

Eighties Meta 03-12-2013 07:57 AM

hmmn, I really hate driving mine around in D and this seems like it may be the ticket. Especially in heavy traffic between 20-30mph it's clunky and annoying, and having to floor it to get it to downshift is annoying also which is why I drive in DS most of the time. Unless this is outrageously priced I'm liking the prospect of doing this

future370zzz 03-13-2013 12:20 AM

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GUTCH 03-13-2013 01:33 AM

Would the GTM Racelogic traction control upgrade be a worthwhile modification to work in unison with the vavle body upgrade?

Jordo! 03-13-2013 01:41 AM

Nice review :tup:

Z eliminator 03-13-2013 07:42 AM

i have the built 7 AT with the race logic.
i have not had the race logic running with the 7 AT yet.
will post when i install it.

wstar 03-13-2013 08:24 AM

Is the core charge fully refundable if we do the "swap and send back the original after" option? Also, for HPDE / TT / Road-racey stuff (I'm probably one of the few doing that on a 7AT), does GTM have a recommended set of upgrades for the 7AT on an NA motor? The VB upgrade is on my list, do any of the other bits you sell make sense as well? Basically my power hasn't increased much, I just need the thing to be a bit more bullet-proof under track abuse and firmer/faster shifts would be nice. Mine's used almost exclusively in M-mode.

Mike@GTM 03-13-2013 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 2210707)
Is the core charge fully refundable if we do the "swap and send back the original after" option? Also, for HPDE / TT / Road-racey stuff (I'm probably one of the few doing that on a 7AT), does GTM have a recommended set of upgrades for the 7AT on an NA motor? The VB upgrade is on my list, do any of the other bits you sell make sense as well? Basically my power hasn't increased much, I just need the thing to be a bit more bullet-proof under track abuse and firmer/faster shifts would be nice. Mine's used almost exclusively in M-mode.

The valve body on the 370Z has a TCM that is coded specifically for the VIN that it is installed on. This renders the valve body useless to any other VIN. There are two ways around that: 1) the dealer can reflash the TCM and code it for the vehicle it is installed on. 2) a brand new valve body can be ordered directly from Nissan and coded for the VIN directly from the factory.

Therefore, for all practical purposes, there is no exchange program. That said, we are working on a solution but it is very capital intensive and not on the top of our priority list at the moment.

For a track car, there are two items I would recommend in addition to the valve body upgrade. First, if you don't already have one, is a transmission cooler. Second, a transmission fluid temperature gauge. Monitoring transmission fluid temperatures is extremely important if you are tracking the car. In fact, I would recommend a gauge with a Peak/Warn feature so you don't have to stare at the gauge while bending corners. ;)

Basically, the reason a gauge is so important is that as transmission fluid temps increase, the life of the fluid decreases dramatically. Here is an article I wrote that goes into a little more depth: http://www.gtmotorsports.com/Technic...ansmission.pdf

While that is specific to forced induction with automatics, it has some good information that does apply to what you are doing with your car.

G37sHKS 03-13-2013 01:44 PM

Any recommendation gauge that have the future of peak/warn??

Mike@GTM 03-13-2013 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by G37sHKS (Post 2211340)
Any recommendation gauge that have the future of peak/warn??

The Defi Advance gauges use a controller that has a peak/warn feature that also does data logging. The advantage of that is you can see what your peak temperature was during your last session while you're in the paddock between sessions. It also has a buzzer that can sound if you exceed a temperature you set. For example, you could set it so the buzzer goes off if the temp hits or exceeds 180 degrees Fahrenheit (80 Celsius).

G37sHKS 03-13-2013 01:59 PM

Just curious, Its the same sensor that are used for engine oil temperature right?

wstar 03-13-2013 03:36 PM

Thanks for the info Mike. I do have a small Setrab cooler running up front already, but no gauge solution installed yet. Now I just need to find a good stretch of downtime between events to open up my tranny and ship off the VB for upgrade :)

One more thing: you mention TCM reprogramming in some of your 7AT materials. I already have UpRev Tuner which can adjust the torque table. Is there something more on the TCM itself done with your TCM programming, and/or is whatever your TCM programming does compatible w/ the UpRev ECU flashing process on the same car?

Mike@GTM 03-13-2013 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by G37sHKS (Post 2211389)
Just curious, Its the same sensor that are used for engine oil temperature right?

Correct.

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 2211638)
Thanks for the info Mike. I do have a small Setrab cooler running up front already, but no gauge solution installed yet. Now I just need to find a good stretch of downtime between events to open up my tranny and ship off the VB for upgrade :)

One more thing: you mention TCM reprogramming in some of your 7AT materials. I already have UpRev Tuner which can adjust the torque table. Is there something more on the TCM itself done with your TCM programming, and/or is whatever your TCM programming does compatible w/ the UpRev ECU flashing process on the same car?

We have a quick turnaround on our Valve Body upgrade so you don't need to worry about too much downtime.

As for the TCM Reprogramming, it is done through UpRev. With the valve body upgrade, the calibration is different than the typical calibration for raising line pressure.

wstar 03-13-2013 07:52 PM

Ok. Can I just give you my current edited ROM and have it updated by you guys, or is it some separate tool, etc?

Mike@GTM 03-15-2013 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 2212083)
Ok. Can I just give you my current edited ROM and have it updated by you guys, or is it some separate tool, etc?

Yes, you can send us your ROM and we can edit the appropriate tables.

Jon J 09-09-2013 02:55 AM

I recently sold my 2012 370Z and bought a 2013 G37 IPL. Both 7AT. The shifting is dramatically slower on the G37. Is this normal? Can anyone recommend a shop in the San Francisco area to installing the GTM kit?

Wonka2581 09-09-2013 03:42 AM

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Z eliminator 09-10-2013 08:24 AM

Question on the VB install/
when you put in the uprev for the tranney. What about the tune for the engine ?
i have the fully built stage 4 tanney and it shifts way faster but the engine bogs when it changes best time with stock tranney 12.329.. best with GTM tranny 12.500.
you have to put a tune in the engine.

Z

Slartibartfas 05-19-2016 11:25 PM

Is GTM (gt motorsports) now known as gamma motorsports?

VSS370z 05-19-2016 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Slartibartfas (Post 3483250)
Is GTM (gt motorsports) now known as gamma motorsports?

Yes...:wtf2:

Slartibartfas 05-20-2016 01:36 PM

What was the deal with GTM? No action in their forum since early 2011 but they are still listed as a sponsoring vendor. The link earlier in this thread brings up Gamma Motorsports but the page with the pdf can't be found. The GTM account in this thread says not an active vendor, do not buy.

Does that mean only Level10 is a source for upgraded valve bodies for the 7AT?

Chuck33079 05-20-2016 01:50 PM

GTM is dead. Gamma bought them out, but they didn't keep anyone who knew the mechanical side of things. Go with Level10.

Slartibartfas 05-20-2016 01:55 PM

Roger and thanks

shadow85 01-20-2017 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Slartibartfas (Post 3483684)
What was the deal with GTM? No action in their forum since early 2011 but they are still listed as a sponsoring vendor. The link earlier in this thread brings up Gamma Motorsports but the page with the pdf can't be found. The GTM account in this thread says not an active vendor, do not buy.

Does that mean only Level10 is a source for upgraded valve bodies for the 7AT?

Gamma still list the built tranny from GTM on their website.

They still have valve body upgrades but they are not offering it for sale atm. Because the people who took over GTM currently do not understand all the valve body upgrade process. They still offer the torque converter upgrade, but they said at this stage no VB or Rebuild parts will be sold.

So probably level 10 is the best bet.

Zat_Zuma 01-21-2017 11:27 AM

Had a quick look at the valve body and its a massive undertaking!

9 solenoids and at least 19 valve actuators to check, replace and rebore if necessary.

Then you have to reprogram the TCM and do whatever springs, passages etc that only Level 10 does!
I would assume some drilling may be required to increase line pressure and flow.

I'm not even sure if you can buy a new one from Nissan. There are rebuild ones around.

Research ongoing.

ChaseZ 01-21-2017 12:41 PM

Maybe Level10 will sell you a rebuild/upgrade kit since "you are al the way in Canada and shipping would be beyond cost-prohibitive" ;)

shadow85 01-22-2017 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ChaseZ (Post 3605867)
Maybe Level10 will sell you a rebuild/upgrade kit since "you are al the way in Canada and shipping would be beyond cost-prohibitive" ;)

Upgrade kit for the VB or the tranny?

Zat_Zuma 01-22-2017 11:00 AM

When I get the info I need and a cheap used 7 speed; I will chat with Level 10 to rebuild the transmission.

Zat_Zuma 06-20-2017 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Zat_Zuma (Post 3606164)
When I get the info I need and a cheap used 7 speed; I will chat with Level 10 to rebuild the transmission.

Found a cheap (like almost free) 7 speed auto 710E Jatco with a cracked housing. Time to put knowledge to practical experience and take this tranny apart and see what makes it tick. Measure the clutch paks and have a real good look at the valve body to see how it works.

Going to get the 711E Jatco service repair manual as well to see what parts cross over.

It will be a good winter project :tup:

It will be a interesting conversation with Level 10 this spring and to see how this generation compares to the 5 speeds I've rebuilt and modified in the past.


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