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Cmike2780 01-08-2013 02:07 PM

Although the stock block has more than proven itself to be plenty reliable if you don't go too crazy with boost, I think the OP has the right approach. I design structural components for buildings and as a rule of thumb, its always best to overdesign something rather than have it fail due to something unforseen. The engineers at Nissan know this...which is why it can handle a bit of boost. If you can afford to spend the cash for a build, it's going to save you a lot of time and headache later when/if you decide you want more power. You need to find the right balance of what you can afford to spend and reliability. If you don't leave yourself a margin for error, you'll end up broke like a few guys I've heard rumors about.

theDreamer 01-09-2013 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BlkNismo (Post 2100030)
Ultimately, If I decide to run oem block, I will probably lock it in around 450-470whp. Running off an ebc, I suppose the lowest boost I could run in 6.5-7psi?

You can run boost down as low as the spring will allow. I believe some can go as low as 4PSI but I think most run 6PSI as lowest and then tune it up to 10-12PSI for those fun runs. :driving:

Red__Zed 01-09-2013 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 2100113)
Although the stock block has more than proven itself to be plenty reliable if you don't go too crazy with boost, I think the OP has the right approach. I design structural components for buildings and as a rule of thumb, its always best to overdesign something rather than have it fail due to something unforseen. The engineers at Nissan know this...which is why it can handle a bit of boost. If you can afford to spend the cash for a build, it's going to save you a lot of time and headache later when/if you decide you want more power. You need to find the right balance of what you can afford to spend and reliability. If you don't leave yourself a margin for error, you'll end up broke like a few guys I've heard rumors about.

It's not so simple to say that aftermarket parts are overdesigned. There are a myriad of complex factors that come into play when you start swapping internals, and you're usually trading certain types of reliability for others.

GaleForce 01-09-2013 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze (Post 2099885)
Setting money aside just is case is a wise choice keep your eye out for a spare block. I got lucky and found a spare long block for really cheap right here on the forum, I grabbed it even though my stock one is built already.

That's what I'm going to do. Hopefully I can get lucky enough to find another motor.

DIGItonium 01-09-2013 09:22 AM

I'm jealous of FI owners tuned to over 500 whp. Granted, 400-450 whp is more than enough to shred meaty tires. My car is so much more fun to drive now after replacing the brake switch and slightly tightening the manual boost controller (1/8th turn).

As for longevity, my car is daily driven. My friends asked me to track it, but I prefer not to since this is a daily driver setup - not a bulletproof track setup. My car had about 22k miles when the turbos were installed, and it is marching towards 49k miles. Sometimes I wonder if the engine will outlast the turbos. :)

FPenvy 01-09-2013 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by GaleForce (Post 2101273)
That's what I'm going to do. Hopefully I can get lucky enough to find another motor.

i was on my account looking at wrecked and totaled 370's with intact motor and transmissions to see if it would be cheaper to go that route for spares lol

GaleForce 01-09-2013 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2101318)
i was on my account looking at wrecked and totaled 370's with intact motor and transmissions to see if it would be cheaper to go that route for spares lol

Not a bad idea. Yank the drivetrain and try to part out whatever is left. You would have to get the car for dirt cheap though.

FPenvy 01-09-2013 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by GaleForce (Post 2101340)
Not a bad idea. Yank the drivetrain and try to part out whatever is left. You would have to get the car for dirt cheap though.

prices arent too bad for some of them. my favorite one was a convertible that was completely burnt from the rear end to the dash. engine was perfect lol

theDreamer 01-09-2013 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2101346)
prices arent too bad for some of them. my favorite one was a convertible that was completely burnt from the rear end to the dash. engine was perfect lol

What prices are you seeing for mid to rear damaged Z (with engine fine)?

FPenvy 01-09-2013 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2101352)
What prices are you seeing for mid to rear damaged Z (with engine fine)?

depends really. the one i spoke of having rear fire damage only has 6500 miles on it but isnt up for auction yet. i've been looking at previews for upcoming auctions.

this is it

https://www.iaai.com/VehicleImages/2...35017_6_I.jpeg

https://www.iaai.com/VehicleImages/2...5017_10_I.jpeg

clean engine. this one is in austin tx i think

BlkNismo 01-09-2013 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DIGItonium (Post 2101311)
I'm jealous of FI owners tuned to over 500 whp. Granted, 400-450 whp is more than enough to shred meaty tires. My car is so much more fun to drive now after replacing the brake switch and slightly tightening the manual boost controller (1/8th turn).

As for longevity, my car is daily driven. My friends asked me to track it, but I prefer not to since this is a daily driver setup - not a bulletproof track setup. My car had about 22k miles when the turbos were installed, and it is marching towards 49k miles. Sometimes I wonder if the engine will outlast the turbos. :)

I thought you had sold your Z, I'm glad to hear you had a change of heart.

Cmike2780 01-09-2013 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2101199)
It's not so simple to say that aftermarket parts are overdesigned. There are a myriad of complex factors that come into play when you start swapping internals, and you're usually trading certain types of reliability for others.

I'm not saying aftermarket parts are necessarily better and I never said ALL aftermarket parts were overdesigned. I was refering to the overall approach to the engine build. You overdesign the block to handle more than what you need. Of course it's not that simple, but staying with components designed for 332-350 hp and boosting it to 550hp or more isn't the correct path either. The reliability aspect isn't guaranteed when you do ANY type of modification. A huge factor is going to be on the mechanic doing the work.

DIGItonium 01-09-2013 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BlkNismo (Post 2101393)
I thought you had sold your Z, I'm glad to hear you had a change of heart.

No real bites other than some trade or low ball offers, but I spent the entire Christmas break re-evaluating the situation and decided to hang on to the car. Oh, the recent trip to the dealer to replace the brake switch finally resolved the annoying throttle lag and slow acceleration issue since first ownership in '09. Imagine flooring it 1st and 2nd to redline, and not seeing boost! Throttle barely opened up.

elperuano 01-09-2013 02:07 PM

^that might be a good thing. If I floor it in 1st or 2nd I see no traction!

DIGItonium 01-10-2013 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by elperuano (Post 2101982)
^that might be a good thing. If I floor it in 1st or 2nd I see no traction!

That's the problem. I don't think traction can be seen. :bowrofl:

FPenvy 01-10-2013 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DIGItonium (Post 2103087)
That's the problem. I don't think traction can be seen. :bowrofl:

lack of traction can be seen by those strange set of black marks he leaves on the road :bowrofl:

elperuano 01-10-2013 10:42 AM

:bowrofl::roflpuke2:

GaleForce 01-10-2013 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 2103089)
lack of traction can be seen by those strange set of black marks he leaves on the road :bowrofl:

Those black marks are called "elevens" :roflpuke2: :tup:

FPenvy 01-10-2013 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GaleForce (Post 2103538)
Those black marks are called "elevens" :roflpuke2: :tup:

oooooo :tup:

:bowrofl::bowrofl:


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